S55 or S600?
07-04-2005, 09:15 PM
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S55 or S600?
I currently have a 05 E55 and have become addicted to the awesome power of the AMG engine. I am making plans for another MB and I want an S class, but I am undecided between the 55 or 600.The cost difference is about $11,000 in the fully loaded configuration, so I don't consider it an obstacle. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
07-04-2005, 09:52 PM
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Same here. I want the new 6.3litre V8 twin turbo, but I also dont mind twin turbo V12. I want to trade the E55 in for the new S AMG soon since I really want a full size car of my own. I am also looking at trading in my fathers S600 for a 760li and purchasing myself a S63 or S600. Decisions, decisions. So tough to make.
07-05-2005, 12:53 AM
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Whatever it is I want it haha. Someone in the E forum said it would have 571hp. But I want a force inducted motor since I am not a fan of having to rev to 7500 rpms just to get some power. I want torque. Looks like its gonna be the 600 then.
07-27-2005, 09:47 AM
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New AMG engine will be normally aspirated V8 supposed to be 6800rpm 510 bhp but torque is down, the old supercharged 493bhp S55 V8 offers 100nm more torque and the 493bhp V12 bi turbo S600 V12 200nm more.
Don't know why they felt the need to go with a NA engine, suppose it's just as it's the fashion, but high power high rev engines like the BMW M power ones go bang
, the new car (w221) will likely be a bit slower unless it's much lighter than the old W220s
Don't know why they felt the need to go with a NA engine, suppose it's just as it's the fashion, but high power high rev engines like the BMW M power ones go bang
, the new car (w221) will likely be a bit slower unless it's much lighter than the old W220s
07-27-2005, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Mmmm
New AMG engine will be normally aspirated V8 supposed to be 6800rpm 510 bhp but torque is down, the old supercharged 493bhp S55 V8 offers 100nm more torque and the 493bhp V12 bi turbo S600 V12 200nm more.
Don't know why they felt the need to go with a NA engine, suppose it's just as it's the fashion, but high power high rev engines like the BMW M power ones go bang , the new car (w221) will likely be a bit slower unless it's much lighter than the old W220s
Don't know why they felt the need to go with a NA engine, suppose it's just as it's the fashion, but high power high rev engines like the BMW M power ones go bang
, the new car (w221) will likely be a bit slower unless it's much lighter than the old W220sAlso remember,a supercharger robs the 55 almost a 100hp in peak rpms,where the NA 6.3 will have the peak power.
07-27-2005, 12:53 PM
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Don't worry that the S63(221) will be slower than the S55(220). The AMG boys always have a way of making their previous models seem slow in comparison to the new ones. The S63 will be a rocket and outperform the S55.
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08-07-2005, 02:41 PM
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Guys, the reason for the new 6.3 amg motor is to have a little higher hp and lower torque, this way they can use the new 7 speed transmission, the other amg motors had to much torque for the transmission to handle. It will be quicker than the 55.
08-07-2005, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by silberrosa
Don't worry that the S63(221) will be slower than the S55(220). The AMG boys always have a way of making their previous models seem slow in comparison to the new ones. The S63 will be a rocket and outperform the S55.
08-07-2005, 03:56 PM
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Not really contradictory, it's just his wording is a little off, he's saying not to worry about the new model being slower because of less torque and becoming na. It will in fact be faster. I guess some people think it will be slower and he's saying otherwise.
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08-09-2005, 02:22 PM
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08-09-2005, 02:57 PM
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Haha I read that in the E55 forum. I'll have to trade the S63 in for the twin turbo version when it comes out. Are you gonna jump on the S63 right now Jakpro1???
08-10-2005, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by can drive 55
I currently have a 05 E55 and have become addicted to the awesome power of the AMG engine. I am making plans for another MB and I want an S class, but I am undecided between the 55 or 600.The cost difference is about $11,000 in the fully loaded configuration, so I don't consider it an obstacle. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
08-15-2005, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mmmm
New AMG engine will be normally aspirated V8 supposed to be 6800rpm 510 bhp but torque is down, the old supercharged 493bhp S55 V8 offers 100nm more torque and the 493bhp V12 bi turbo S600 V12 200nm more.
Don't know why they felt the need to go with a NA engine, suppose it's just as it's the fashion, but high power high rev engines like the BMW M power ones go bang , the new car (w221) will likely be a bit slower unless it's much lighter than the old W220s
Don't know why they felt the need to go with a NA engine, suppose it's just as it's the fashion, but high power high rev engines like the BMW M power ones go bang
, the new car (w221) will likely be a bit slower unless it's much lighter than the old W220sAlot of benefits are to be had over the s/c 5.4 liter by switching to the high revving 6.3.
1. The engine will be significantly lighter than the 5.4 which transalates into more speed and better steering.
2. More consistant performance, since the s/c engines suffer from heat soaking
3. AMG high revving is not exactly the same as the way BMW M does it. The new M's will redline at 8250 rpm or so with 370 or so ft/lbs or torque. AMG's engine does not rev quite as high, which many (myself included) believe is a good thing. By only revving up to 7200-7500 or so rpm, it will generate well over 400 ft/lbs of torque. Which really is more than enough
4. By switching over to high revving and reducing the torque rating, AMG will now be able to use the 7-Gtronic gear box, which has 7 ratios. This will also make the car faster. Plus with a little less torque the tires will hook up faster.
5. Higher revving cars, when geared properly are alot more flexible and controlable than low revving cars.
AMG is about to beat BMW's M at its own game. Dont worry, AMG is still the king of torque. They just have a different take on it now.
