BoBcanada

MOderators close this stupid Toyota thread... or move it OFFTOPIC seriously.

knihc2008

i'm not pro-lexus, i'm pro-not making stupid blind claims like "lexus copied this, lexus copied that." and am i not ALLOWED to show any pro-lexus on an MB forum, even if they make legitmately good cars that don't deserved to be called inferior knockoffs?

and if it's so dumb to compare headlights, why is it so undumb to compare rears?

MB Fanatic

I concur. I shall message my good friend.

ruykava

i absolutely concur with that

but i still say that you can't say the new ML looks like the Sorento when the Sorento is the one that copied it's parents. it's like your cousin saying "oh, you look just like me, because i look like your dad"

as for bmw - yes - but even Merc had four lamps behind one piece of glass too - albeit not of the same size - look at the W124 E-class for example. shall we say the GS400 copied the E-class, then? :p the main feature about "four headlamps" is that they're actually distinctly behind four pieces of glass =) which i agree the GS didn't copy since it can legitimately trace it back to the SC400.

hey, don't lock this thread - i said i won't post on it anymore some time back but it's turning out to be fun!!

Kubazzz

Ok Boys Now I say something.
New LS and GS are even nice, don't mind if they've copied something or not.
But I still don't like Lexus, because for me it's only a big and well-equipped Toyota. You live in US where You probably don't see anything like Toyota Yaris:
http://toyota.pl/_itemserver/_yaris/MMC%2004-1200.jpg
"Mom said, when I grow up I'll become a big and exclusive Lexus"
And don't say that MB has A-Class or smart. This is a different situation when a company moves to lower segments and when another company tries to enter forcibly into the premium segment.

knihc2008

i thought the w124 e-class headlamps were just one large rectangular block of headlamps? as were all mercedes headlamps of that particular time?

the closest thing to the four-headlamp-non-inside-of-one-glass before mercedes made it popular with the 1996-ish e-class was on the SC.

Kubazz, that totally makes sense. i mean for the longest time lexuses WERE highly-optioned toyotas. but just this year, you do know they were made their entirely separate brand everywhere in the world? (and can you really compare a Yaris with an LS?)

lexstra

you guys best bet is to entirely ignore this vehicle.
it doesn't appeal to you, but saying it's bad that's laughable.

plenty of Sclass owners purchased the LS, and MOST according to surveys are not returning to MB. Lexus also just happens to b the leader in owner retention

do you really think MB's sales decline, and Lexus drastic increases are not correlated?

or MB could copy Lexus nav, audio, build quality, instead they'd rather lose sales till they end up like GM.

but rest assured the new LS will set a new standard in the premium luxury segment, and the influx of MB to Lexus converts will continue. You can whine about how it's a sucky Toyota, but Lexus unprecedented sales increases prove otherwise.

Now that Toyota has styling down, the juggernaut will just rollover competition

btw

nothing but misinformation presented by children listing their divorsed parents rides

BoBcanada

GO TO TOYOTA FORUMS.

Dvinn

MB sales down? LMAO...do you just make it up and think nobody will notice? You might want to check the Lexus forums ans see what sold how many. 3 year old E class out sold brand new GS by more than 200% if you don't want to read it.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...eptember+sales

YNVDIZW124

PLEASE GO TO THE TOYOTA FORUM a lexus can never be in the same category of MB, BMW, and Jaguar.

LOOK NOW THIS IS A MERCEDES ! LOL !!!! NOT!

Dvinn

All those pictures you posted have no similarities besides the 4 head light "THEME". They don't look like one another at all.

It's like saying Batman looks like Superman because they share the same super hero theme by wearing a cape.

lexstra

I made up nothing, MB has lost sales over the past 2yrs. That chart clearly indicates MB is down 0.8% even though the overall luxury segment has grown.
Lexus is up 5.2%. Lexus just added an important vehicle to its lineup the 2IS.

MB will continue to struggle, and lose money till they get their act together.

AsianML

That's what he was going for.

MKW

My earlier post was in response to " copying " , the four headlamp look never went away , really , as in the Jag XJ sedans for instance. But in the case of the W210, with it's body shrouded smaller inboard guide lights , I remember all of us posting on car boards back in '96 that it was a copy of the SC 400 !

knihc2008

almost as ridiculous as saying a rear of a GS looks like a maxima, is it not?

knihc2008

uh, too bad they already are according to every other non-MB biased person.

ruykava

knihc2008: actually, you have misread what i said. i said the W124 had its circular headlamps INSIDE one piece of glass/plastic/whatever that was. anyway =)

as for lexus sales volumes being higher, why not? main driver is the brand new GS and the cheaper ES. and overall, segment-for-segment, the cars are much cheaper as well - i'm not at all surprised when the economy isn't grea and with all these uncertainties, luxury car sales are down and price becomes more of a deciding factor.

where in the world, lexstra, did you get the idea the overall luxury segment is expanding? or do you mean expanding by meaning there are more models to choose from? LS sales are down (-12.7% so far) are so are that of the S (-22.5%) - GS sales are up significantly but that's because they're just beginning to be put to the market. and a new S is coming very soon. not to mention S is much more expensive.

i'm not saying there aren't problems, especially at MBUSA - and that lexus doesn't have its virtues - what i'm saying is don't shoot from the hip so easily.

jago1244

yes my gut instinct was same as yours. looks just like early M5 pics from profile view too!

2H S5

knihc2008 and other members, no need to talk about lexus, acura, infiniti and EVEN BMW here. You're just wasting your time.

You have to realize that it's an MB forum and all that people here will care is MB.
I go here to read, learn and try to participate for MB-that's it.
For my GS, I go to clublexus, BMW---->bimmerforums.
God forbid if I talk about other brands, I will get shot down.

I see posts after posts especially when lexus comes up, it gets no where because members are too closed-minded about other brand.
No need to defend or ask for opinions about non-MB's car here, because it's like

Now back to our regular bickering

SargeinAZ

Woooooooooow they look nothing alike, not at all, the both have trunks and windows and thats where the similarity ends.

Braheem

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AsianML

The ES330 didn't make it.

Braheem

LOL, you're right

Guest0001

Same reason why Lexus owners get defensive when Infiniti is mentioned.

vraa

Or Volkswagon owners with the Phaeton