LS460 spy pictures ?
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Originally Posted by DancingBenzos
Re read what i said, i said its dumb to compare head lights.
Why are you so pro-lexus on a MB forum, and you dont own a lexus?
Why are you so pro-lexus on a MB forum, and you dont own a lexus?
and if it's so dumb to compare headlights, why is it so undumb to compare rears?
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i'm not pro-lexus, i'm pro-not making stupid blind claims like "lexus copied this, lexus copied that." and am i not ALLOWED to show any pro-lexus on an MB forum, even if they make legitmately good cars that don't deserved to be called inferior knockoffs?
but i still say that you can't say the new ML looks like the Sorento when the Sorento is the one that copied it's parents. it's like your cousin saying "oh, you look just like me, because i look like your dad"
as for bmw - yes - but even Merc had four lamps behind one piece of glass too - albeit not of the same size - look at the W124 E-class for example. shall we say the GS400 copied the E-class, then? :p the main feature about "four headlamps" is that they're actually distinctly behind four pieces of glass =) which i agree the GS didn't copy since it can legitimately trace it back to the SC400.
hey, don't lock this thread - i said i won't post on it anymore some time back but it's turning out to be fun!!
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Ok Boys Now I say something.
New LS and GS are even nice, don't mind if they've copied something or not.
But I still don't like Lexus, because for me it's only a big and well-equipped Toyota. You live in US where You probably don't see anything like Toyota Yaris:
http://toyota.pl/_itemserver/_yaris/MMC%2004-1200.jpg
"Mom said, when I grow up I'll become a big and exclusive Lexus"
And don't say that MB has A-Class or smart. This is a different situation when a company moves to lower segments and when another company tries to enter forcibly into the premium segment.
Now I say something.New LS and GS are even nice, don't mind if they've copied something or not.
But I still don't like Lexus, because for me it's only a big and well-equipped Toyota. You live in US where You probably don't see anything like Toyota Yaris:
http://toyota.pl/_itemserver/_yaris/MMC%2004-1200.jpg
"Mom said, when I grow up I'll become a big and exclusive Lexus"
And don't say that MB has A-Class or smart. This is a different situation when a company moves to lower segments and when another company tries to enter forcibly into the premium segment.
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Originally Posted by ruykava
as for bmw - yes - but even Merc had four lamps behind one piece of glass too - albeit not of the same size - look at the W124 E-class for example. shall we say the GS400 copied the E-class, then? :p the main feature about "four headlamps" is that they're actually distinctly behind four pieces of glass =) which i agree the GS didn't copy since it can legitimately trace it back to the SC400.
the closest thing to the four-headlamp-non-inside-of-one-glass before mercedes made it popular with the 1996-ish e-class was on the SC.
Kubazz, that totally makes sense. i mean for the longest time lexuses WERE highly-optioned toyotas. but just this year, you do know they were made their entirely separate brand everywhere in the world? (and can you really compare a Yaris with an LS?)
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you guys best bet is to entirely ignore this vehicle.
it doesn't appeal to you, but saying it's bad that's laughable.
plenty of Sclass owners purchased the LS, and MOST according to surveys are not returning to MB. Lexus also just happens to b the leader in owner retention
do you really think MB's sales decline, and Lexus drastic increases are not correlated?
or MB could copy Lexus nav, audio, build quality, instead they'd rather lose sales till they end up like GM.
but rest assured the new LS will set a new standard in the premium luxury segment, and the influx of MB to Lexus converts will continue. You can whine about how it's a sucky Toyota, but Lexus unprecedented sales increases prove otherwise.
Now that Toyota has styling down, the juggernaut will just rollover competition
btw
nothing but misinformation presented by children listing their divorsed parents rides
it doesn't appeal to you, but saying it's bad that's laughable.
plenty of Sclass owners purchased the LS, and MOST according to surveys are not returning to MB. Lexus also just happens to b the leader in owner retention
do you really think MB's sales decline, and Lexus drastic increases are not correlated?
or MB could copy Lexus nav, audio, build quality, instead they'd rather lose sales till they end up like GM.
but rest assured the new LS will set a new standard in the premium luxury segment, and the influx of MB to Lexus converts will continue. You can whine about how it's a sucky Toyota, but Lexus unprecedented sales increases prove otherwise.
Now that Toyota has styling down, the juggernaut will just rollover competition
btw
nothing but misinformation presented by children listing their divorsed parents rides
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Originally Posted by lexstra
you guys best bet is to entirely ignore this vehicle.
it doesn't appeal to you, but saying it's bad that's laughable.
plenty of Sclass owners purchased the LS, and MOST according to surveys are not returning to MB. Lexus also just happens to b the leader in owner retention
do you really think MB's sales decline, and Lexus drastic increases are not correlated?
or MB could copy Lexus nav, audio, build quality, instead they'd rather lose sales till they end up like GM.
but rest assured the new LS will set a new standard in the premium luxury segment, and the influx of MB to Lexus converts will continue. You can whine about how it's a sucky Toyota, but Lexus unprecedented sales increases prove otherwise.
Now that Toyota has styling down, the juggernaut will just rollover competition
btw
nothing but misinformation presented by children listing their divorsed parents rides
it doesn't appeal to you, but saying it's bad that's laughable.
plenty of Sclass owners purchased the LS, and MOST according to surveys are not returning to MB. Lexus also just happens to b the leader in owner retention
do you really think MB's sales decline, and Lexus drastic increases are not correlated?
or MB could copy Lexus nav, audio, build quality, instead they'd rather lose sales till they end up like GM.
but rest assured the new LS will set a new standard in the premium luxury segment, and the influx of MB to Lexus converts will continue. You can whine about how it's a sucky Toyota, but Lexus unprecedented sales increases prove otherwise.
Now that Toyota has styling down, the juggernaut will just rollover competition
btw
nothing but misinformation presented by children listing their divorsed parents rides
GO TO TOYOTA FORUMS.
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Originally Posted by lexstra
do you really think MB's sales decline, and Lexus drastic increases are not correlated?
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...eptember+sales
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All those pictures you posted have no similarities besides the 4 head light "THEME". They don't look like one another at all.
It's like saying Batman looks like Superman because they share the same super hero theme by wearing a cape.
It's like saying Batman looks like Superman because they share the same super hero theme by wearing a cape.
Originally Posted by knihc2008
comparing that "kink" in the rear window to that of the 5 series is ridiculous. that's like saying
looks like
because, omg, it has four headlights! and, blimey, the jaguar s-type
looks like the eclass because, wow, it has the four headlamps again. copiers! maybe the "kink" (which isn't even a kink at all, mind you, but whatever) on the LS
has more to do with the new IS:
or even the window shape of the new GS:
not to mention the even older-school GS:
maybe lexus decided to copy, of all people, the PLYMOUTH NEON with that kink in the window:
looks likebecause, omg, it has four headlights! and, blimey, the jaguar s-type
looks like the eclass because, wow, it has the four headlamps again. copiers! maybe the "kink" (which isn't even a kink at all, mind you, but whatever) on the LS
has more to do with the new IS:
or even the window shape of the new GS:
not to mention the even older-school GS:
maybe lexus decided to copy, of all people, the PLYMOUTH NEON with that kink in the window:
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Originally Posted by Dvinn
MB sales down? LMAO...do you just make it up and think nobody will notice? You might want to check the Lexus forums ans see what sold how many. 3 year old E class out sold brand new GS by more than 200% if you don't want to read it.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...eptember+sales
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...eptember+sales
Lexus is up 5.2%. Lexus just added an important vehicle to its lineup the 2IS.
MB will continue to struggle, and lose money till they get their act together.
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Originally Posted by Dvinn
All those pictures you posted have no similarities besides the 4 head light "THEME". They don't look like one another at all.
It's like saying Batman looks like Superman because they share the same super hero theme by wearing a cape.
It's like saying Batman looks like Superman because they share the same super hero theme by wearing a cape.
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Originally Posted by ruykava
of course lol, circa 1972. of course we can disagree about whether the sc400 qualifies since the two inner headlamps aren't the same as the outer ones... :p
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Originally Posted by Dvinn
All those pictures you posted have no similarities besides the 4 head light "THEME". They don't look like one another at all.
It's like saying Batman looks like Superman because they share the same super hero theme by wearing a cape.
It's like saying Batman looks like Superman because they share the same super hero theme by wearing a cape.
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Originally Posted by YNVDIZW124
PLEASE GO TO THE TOYOTA FORUM 
a lexus can never be in the same category of MB, BMW, and Jaguar. 
LOOK NOW THIS IS A MERCEDES
! LOL !!!! NOT! 
a lexus can never be in the same category of MB, BMW, and Jaguar. LOOK NOW THIS IS A MERCEDES
! LOL !!!! NOT!
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knihc2008: actually, you have misread what i said. i said the W124 had its circular headlamps INSIDE one piece of glass/plastic/whatever that was. anyway =)
as for lexus sales volumes being higher, why not? main driver is the brand new GS and the cheaper ES. and overall, segment-for-segment, the cars are much cheaper as well - i'm not at all surprised when the economy isn't grea and with all these uncertainties, luxury car sales are down and price becomes more of a deciding factor.
where in the world, lexstra, did you get the idea the overall luxury segment is expanding? or do you mean expanding by meaning there are more models to choose from? LS sales are down (-12.7% so far) are so are that of the S (-22.5%) - GS sales are up significantly but that's because they're just beginning to be put to the market. and a new S is coming very soon. not to mention S is much more expensive.
i'm not saying there aren't problems, especially at MBUSA - and that lexus doesn't have its virtues - what i'm saying is don't shoot from the hip so easily.
as for lexus sales volumes being higher, why not? main driver is the brand new GS and the cheaper ES. and overall, segment-for-segment, the cars are much cheaper as well - i'm not at all surprised when the economy isn't grea and with all these uncertainties, luxury car sales are down and price becomes more of a deciding factor.
where in the world, lexstra, did you get the idea the overall luxury segment is expanding? or do you mean expanding by meaning there are more models to choose from? LS sales are down (-12.7% so far) are so are that of the S (-22.5%) - GS sales are up significantly but that's because they're just beginning to be put to the market. and a new S is coming very soon. not to mention S is much more expensive.
i'm not saying there aren't problems, especially at MBUSA - and that lexus doesn't have its virtues - what i'm saying is don't shoot from the hip so easily.
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agreed!
Originally Posted by DancingBenzos
OMG they stole the E60 rear 5 series line!!!! Can they please make a car of their own design?
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Originally Posted by knihc2008
the ignorance on this board is really annoying. first of all, i'm really tired of this whole "oh wow lexus copied another manufacturer's design" or whatever.......
You have to realize that it's an MB forum and all that people here will care is MB.
I go here to read, learn and try to participate for MB-that's it.
For my GS, I go to clublexus, BMW---->bimmerforums.
God forbid if I talk about other brands, I will get shot down.
I see posts after posts especially when lexus comes up, it gets no where because members are too closed-minded about other brand.
No need to defend or ask for opinions about non-MB's car here, because it's like
Now back to our regular bickering
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Originally Posted by DancingBenzos
Im blind???
Are you sure that your Lexus love is leaving you to be the real blind one in this debate?
Are you sure that your Lexus love is leaving you to be the real blind one in this debate?
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