phonetics

i am quite curious... is it about the same costs to upgrade to 650HP and over 800 torque from a S350 or from a S600? To me, it's a new engine anyway... if that's the case, it must be really a waste to have bought the s600 and upgrade ...

phonetics

dun worry... i think it's not that bad... your 2007 cars are not so high end afterall..

xecution

What the heck is an S350. anyways, when you upgrade from a more powerful engine in the first place, you are gonna get a lot more power and torque, so if you spend 8000 to upgrade, the answer is no, you won't get the same power from an S550 (if thats what you meant) that you would get in a S600 . first of all, any car with a turbo or supercharger is gonna get a lot more HP and TQ because one thing the prgrams do is boost the chargers.

xecution

Yeah but thats only cause I choose not to drive just one car. Are you saying a 2007 S600 is not High end ?

phonetics

no no... s600 is top.... but i meant the others..

shahedC

He may have meant S550, but there seems to be a real S350.

Check it out:



Source:
http://www.carphotosite.com/details.php?image_id=3534

shahedC

tee_tz

Weird

A Ferrari is a sport coupe, and a performance machine. The S-Class is a luxury sedan, that offers a lot of power. While they are on 'similar' levels, they are cars you own both, not decide - 'should I get a Ferrari or an S-Class'... As others have said, I can hear the question - 'Should I get a Ferrari or an SL'.

But even that question is useless -- there's a reason why Ferrari's don't have iPod Adapters (actually they do!), and heated seats and all those other features: it's simply not the point of the car -- you think Ferrari is stupid and can't figure out how to put a AUX cord! For those that want a luxury sports coupe there is the SL. And if you want a more exclusive one, you can buy an Aston Martin (V8 Vantage), or even Bentley (GT). But a Ferrari, like a Pagani or any other super car, means so much more than heated/cooled seats, DVD Command/6 CD Changer, or activating night vision -- in fact not having those things is what makes a Ferrari a Ferrari.

By the way, an S600 can't beat a Ferrari 360. Never. Ever, ever, ever. Never. Don't listen to those numbers published on the magazines. Pull up to a driver (with the same skill-set as you), and race him, you will wonder why the Benz isn't keeping up. That 0-60 time is a straight line, drive your heavy, heavy, heavy S600 into a corner and see what happens.... Oh wait a minute, I forgot the S600 is limited to 130MPH, so actually in the straight way, you won't even see the Ferrari



Tee_Tz.

tee_tz

ALSO!

It's worth saying, an S65 or S63 on a track (city road) with a Ferrari would be a great race - the AMG suspension, the AMG brakes, and the 100's of extra horsepower will surely be at disposal, however, the S600, I'm not too sure it'll even beat an M5 (or E63).


Tee_Tz.

xecution

Dude you drive a C-class and a 3 series, I've owned both of the vehicles you are talking about, you are going off of what you have read or maybe lucky enough to have driven one, maybe a few times, so please don't try to sound like a such a car expert. I never said the cars are in the same category, to tell you the truth, I just got tired of a car who's only true gift is speed. I not only have owned cars like these, I also own a high performance shop in Easton, MA and host a weekly car show so I know the differance between a luxury car and a sports car you totally didn't get the point. Its so funny how so many people know so much about cars they haven't even OWNED. When I want to get sporty, I'll jump in my XLR-V a car I'm sure you'll have some magazine knowledge about, but yet, have never OWNED once again.

xecution

Dude you've been dreaming far too much, first of all the S600 is only .3 seconds slower than the S65, and which Ferrari are you talking about mr. know it all. the 360 is not as fast as you may think, The 430, thats another story, I've owned two 360's in the past 4 years, have you owned one or even driven one for that matter. When you get to the point where you have owned High end cars, then, come talk like you know something.

xecution

Technically although considered an in house tuner, the AMG models are performance tuned Mercedes. So, with that being the case, its very easy to modify an S600 (Brabus, Renntech etc. )and get far more horsepower and torque than the AMG models and far more than even a Ferrari 430, and removing the speed limiting governor ( wich is actually 155 ) is a piece of cake, Modifying a Ferrari though is not that easy, even the Ferrari Challenge Stradale is mostly modified through exhaust, brakes, suspension and weight and is not that much faster than a normal 360. If you would like to confirm this contact IFS owner John Tirelle one of the top Ferrari Shops in New England and a very good friend of mine. Obviously you've never owned a car with Mercedes ABC suspension which handles a large car very well, maybe not as well as a Ferrari on a corner but that time will be made up when the straights come. reading magazines, web pages and maybe acting like you can afford a high end car and test driving it at the dealership does not count, you will only really know about these cars through long term ownership, and even then, everyone has their own opinion.

absent

Pretty high, although not at the top.....
"Top" is currently occupied by Maybach,Rolls and Arnage only.

absent

S600 is quick indeed,needs the ECU to remove the limiter and most of all ,needs proper brakes,since stock set up is boiling hot after just one high speed run braking.

0700700

great S600.. love the alloys

xecution

Although I agree with this, here is what Car and Driver thinks.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...benz-s600.html

And for those who doubt the S600 here is a recent quote also from car and driver. And although you can't believe everything you read, at least these writers had the advantage of really driving the cars.

"The S600 blasts to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds. Know what that means? To 60 mph, this 2.5-ton Teuton is quicker than:

1. A Porsche 911 Carrera S.

2. A Chevrolet Corvette convertible.

3. A Ferrari 612 Scaglietti F1.

The S600 whooshes through the quarter-mile in 12.6 seconds, same as a Lamborghini Murciélago"

A lot of people underestimate torque and 612 lb-ft of Torque is no joke

xecution

Whats up Absent, I drove an sl65, and that thing is sick, omg, I wanted it. it's scary fast.

absent

Careful with ECU mods though.
Having issues with Kleemann now,causes misfires after heavy acceleration and loses boost until restarting engine to reset.
Kleemann boys working on solution now,will see what happens?

WSH

Are there any guys w/IQs >100 who actually choose to buy May/RR, etc???? In NYC, major hedge/pvt eq kings seem to favor nondescript S550/600 and driver to follow them around town.....

My anecdotal obsvn is that in much more self-drive Greenwich/Woodside, lots of the smarter titans (esp those who are car guys) commute via humble SL55s or CL550/600 (many hate the 65's poor real-world traction)...and also have 599 in their fleet as a favored commuter/wkend car....and are eager to get the allegedly underpowered CL63.....hmmm....

absent

I think it's a little bit too early to claim "lots of smarter titans have 599 in their fleet as commuter/wkend car".
Maybe in a year or so....

xecution

Actually a Rolls would not be out of my league, its just that a prefer variety, and don't wanna look like a stuffed up rich old guy . My S600 is my commuter car (although I talk about its speed, I wont be doing donuts, drifting or in a drag race with it.) My 2007 Escalade is my snowy day car and construction job site car, oh and my sons limo so he can watch cartoons. And my 2007 cadillac XLR-V is for playing (boutght it cause of the power and the fact that it was under 100 grand means i willl do donuts, drifting and drag race it. (went to buy an SL65 but decided on the S600 for a top Benz and got the XLR-V to be sporty in) Obviously I could get rid of all three and buy, SL65, or ferrari f430, or close to whatever I want. but thats not how I wanted to do it at this time.

absent

Used Phantoms are ,dare I say ,almost "affordable lately.
An '05 with 6k miles sold recently here at $215k....

xecution

Yes, you may dare say, that is affordable, but I don't think I could ever get used to people looking at me and saying, " Wow, look at that rich guy"
Mercedes, say I have arrived, I am doing well, but I don't have so much money I don't know what to do with it. I think

absent

Shame about that Phantom "cartoonish "look.
Such a terrific ride.....

galleryvw

Xecution, what was you point to begin with? This thread looks like something to stimulate discussion or a debate, and then you just flame the people who respond. If you have it all figured out then why even discuss the matter?

tee_tz

Okay, okay...

xecution - What I meant was simply that the Ferrari is in a different category as the Mercedes, that's why it's unfair to compare the 2 cars. I think Ferrari just likes to stick to their heritage of making fast cars with good performance - and that's why I understand why they don't have all the gadgets that Mercedes, BMW, or Audi or whoever else has.

Secondly, my point about the S600 is that in a street race (not straight line, and not 0-60mph) it's likely not to beat the Ferrari, due to the other factors - suspension (non-AMG), braking (non-AMG), sway-bars (non-AMG), whereas the Ferrari will easily achieve great performance and handling. I think you agree with that--or maybe not. The S65/63 offers better performance, though it's only .03 seconds faster, due to all the other AMG built parts.

Anyway, I'm not trying to knock the S600, it's a remarkable car (trust me, I know ), but was just pointing out that the Ferrari is a better performance car, even if it's slightly.

Anyway, congrats on your car - to me, and many others, the S-Class is the best sedan in the world.


Tee_Tz.