hotinaz

Hi all,
The time has finally come, I' m ready to buy S550 and Gl 450. I checked two dealerships here in Phoenix and they both won't budge for more than $1500 discount of msrp on the 09, they also told me that their profit margin is only 5%. I was wondering if any of you can recommend me to any dealership that are willing to go close to invoice, say 500-1000 over invoice.

Thanks in advance

Blk04cobra1

I am sure there is a dealership out there that will budge, but it's a little difficult to heavily discount a car that is not even in inventory yet...good luck on your search.

451/443=EW

Im sorry, Im confused, you are about to spend well over 100K and you are that cheap to not do a deal over a few thousand? You dont think its reasonable for them to make money. I bet you dont discount your pay for anyone. Not tryin to be rude but most people think that when it comes to dealers, they dont deserve to make money, but the same people will have no problem paying 300% mark up on cloths.

Next time go to a clothing store and make a deal.
Im not saying you should try to save some thing, but Close to invoice. Dont insult them or your self.

gellie

I guess this potential buyer doesnt know what he's doing ! He's has the coin to drop 150k on two cars and your trying to save for a C class. Good advice

451/443=EW

Im sorry, I shoulnd call you cheap. I do understand were you are coming from.
The auto industry was horrible 10-15 yrs ago, and people havnt forgotten. I wasnt a part of that, was too young. But it is not the same as 10-15 yrs ago.
Its not unreasonable to make money, everyone else makes money why can the auto industry.

My point is think about how much it cost to produce a cars like the one you want, and then ask your self would you be happy makeing $500 or $1000 profit on them. dont forget you still have to pay the sales guy, and all you expenses. How many cars can you sell at a profit like that befor you go under?

Again sorry for being an ***. Just get a bit frustrated cus everyone thinks we make too much, if we did why dont people quite there jobs and do it?

451/443=EW

Ya your right, but everyone is always bustin on the sales guys and you see it your self, whats your best price, what about whats your best service?

I do feel bad for disin him, I was just venting to show the other side of the story.

Red Marko

451/443,
I can't belive what I'm reading.
You definitely MUST be confused . Are you trying to reinvent the wheel?.
Here in US, the client tries to save as much money as possible (given various circumstances) and the dealer is trying to make as much money as possible (given various circumstances).
I'm sure, You are willing and even asking to pay MRSP on whatever you are buying/driving.
Let the guy save his money, that's HIS perogative. As it is yours to pay whatever dealer asks for.
Don't confuse two systems US (capitalist/working) vs Canada (socialist/not working), ouch. Yeah.....it's so easy to spend somebody else's money, right?
And...no you are not trying to be rude, just go and play with your own hard earned money. Say, I'm sorry 3 times and hit the wall saying: "I will not lie to the customer anymore".


Don't forget to pick up that soap when you walk out from Vancouver dealership

PS
You MUST be a dealer...or work for one, just admit it...

amdeutsch

Manufacturer's have their profit for the build. Dealers pay less than the internet posted invoices. Its a well known fact that MBs in the US have holdbacks, bonus, etc money. It is also a well known fact that the money is made on service, add-ons, etc.

Red Marko

Yeah,
I was in the middle of your response.
You are working for a dealer...
That explains a lot.
I feel so bad..........

hotinaz

Sorry guys, don't mean to start an argument. I was just trying to find a best deal for my hard earned money. I know that the dealer has to make profit , that's why I don't ask for below invoice. I know some people in this forum can get a deal that's below invoice. I don't ask for that, I just ask for a reasonable discount.
If almost 90% of the people in this forum can get it close to invoice, meaning that the dealerships has already made enough profits to sell the car. Then again why should I pay full MSRP.

451/443=EW

You didnt start an argument, that was me, haha. Anyway sorry for slammin ya.

You know why its hard, cus you give 100% sinerity to your client. And they buy from someone who doesnt even care about the guy. They saved $200 so they do a deal. Thats why I get pissed. When is enough, enough? At what point can you say this guy got a good deal and service, when you loose a deal over a few hundred and a lack of service?

NJS430

Why should they budge? I don't believe 2009's will go into production until July. They have plenty of time to find other buyers for the cars in their queue. I paid $750 over invoice for my 2008 which I ordered last July. I'm told that was a very good deal and that a lot of people were paying sticker at the time. It really doesn't matter to me as it was my price target and I think it was on the low side of fair.

I suggest you set a firm price in your mind, let the dealer know what it is, make sure he knows you are serious, don't deviate from it, and wait until we get closer to July. I think the deal you are looking for is possible. I'm sure the dealer will still make money.

cgjungdds

i bought a 2008 s550 4matic wht/blk amg pkg p3 pano ipod ht wheel wood wheel prem leather for 108 flat which was a discount of approx 6000 off msrp and my 2008 gl450 wht/blk for approx 3500 off msrp approx this same time last year so im sure a better deal is out there. my dealer would prob be interested esp with 2 cars -- let me know if you need contact number. would be happy to help

cgjungdds

hey,
if you are interested -- i have a contact in louisville,ky who said he might be able to help you -- just tell him dr.jung sent you over. his name is eric torsch at tafel motors (502)777-8000/ etorsch@tafelmotors.com. i'm sure they would ship it to you let me know if you need any more info. i got some cool accessories for both cars too if you are interested --email me or call
i got my 4 wheels from amg pkg with tires brand new if you are interested in amg look without spending money on 2009 amg kit?
later,
cgj

hotinaz

Hey thanks, i will surely give them a call. I'd be interested on that wheel package as well

LPM 505

If a dealer is trying to give you a ridiculous offer on your trade in and you think it is unreasonable, then don't sell it to them ! If you make a ridiculous offer to a dealer on their car, and they think it is unreasonable and unprofitable, they don't have to sell it to you ! You can't force them to sell and they can't force you to buy ! I understand sometimes a consumer will ask for invoice or below invoice on a new car, same as dealer will sometimes offer consumer below Blue Book or below wholesale value on their trade ins, so I think it is completely fair as long as both parties agree upon a number ! In my opinion, MSRP is really meaning-less these days for most brands ! For example you can't buy a brand new Ferrari at MSRP, unless you are willing to pay $50,000 or more above MSRP ! You might get a Lamboghini Gallardo for $20,000 off MSRP ! Certain 2008 Mercedes models like the SL Class, S Class are selling at or close to invoice ( or way below invoice ) ! I think what is important these days when shopping for a brand new car is to know the car's market value. When everyone is paying thousands of dollars off MSRP, why would you pay way more than them ? We are all Mercedes-Benz owner, we are all customer of MBUSA , so I think all MB dealers should treat all MB owners the same !

hotinaz

That is what i meant all along. Thanks LPM 505

LPM 505

When manufacturer is suggesting one price ( MSRP ) and the market is suggesting another price, which one would you pay ? Most of the cars out there I am only willing to pay the market suggesting price, but I will pay full MSRP right now for a BRAND NEW Ferrari F430 spider if there is a Ferrari dealer willing to sell, I won't even ask a penny off !

WSH

Getting new F's at MSRP early in launch process is not a particularly challenging issue....don't know of any colleagues in SF or Greenwich who have ever paid more than MSRP for their new F's at their local F dealer....and they typically get any new model within 6 mos of US launch...

Most of the guys who claim new F's are so difficult to obtain at MSRP tend to simply advertise their inability to analyze/solve simple artificial scarcity games....they prob also can't figure out how to get a desirable table at a high-powered restaurant on short notice either....this stuff is not very complicated....

Red Marko

That is funny
And you are most likely correct. I do like your witty coments.
BTW, are you using/showing them front of the note or the back one
For most of them (maitre d') split second is enough to see whatever they want to see.

LPM 505

I live in Seattle and we have only one Ferrari dealer, they almost never have any brand new Ferrari ( F430 ) in stock, mostly they got are under 1000 miles PRE OWNED F430 with asking price around $300,000 ! There was one brand new black F430 spider back in December and a June or July build slot that they were asking $60,000 over MSRP and they wouldn't discount a penny off the MARK UP and I am already on their waiting list for almost 2 years ! I have tried out of state, but they said if there is a Ferrari dealer in the state that you live in, they can't take me on their waiting list for a brand new Ferrari but they can always sell me the PRE OWNED F430 but I really want a brand new one and I will buy right now if I can get it ! I know this is a Mercedes Forum, but I will be appreciated if any one knows where I can get a BRAND NEW F430 spider at MSRP !

Mercutio.Mont

Ferrari is expected to ramp up production in the next few years correct? Will be interesting to see what happens wrt depreciation.

AustinGuy

Speaking of Ferrari's, the Enzo is one BAAAAAD A$$$ looking car.

I saw one the other day getting hauled off on a flat bed....... the darn thing is soooo wide, I wonder if it fits in a regular U.S. road lane.

OTH just this morning a saw a Lamborghini Marcelego (sp?)...... uuumm not impressed. Looks like a toy. A little bigger than the Barbie Cadillac my 7 yr. old drives

carsnob

yes it's nice to get your best deal and save a few bucks. But if the car has the features you want and you're pretty damn close in price at the purchase point, then what the hell? Think about what it's going to we worth in 3-4 years and you can kiss your 50g's goodbye...

hotinaz

Absolutely Correct. Don't have to wait 3-4 years, just drive it for a month and tha'll cost you 10g's at least.
I think it's more of psychological thing that make you satisfied of getting a deal at the time of purchase and not to think about the depreciation later.