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Old 03-30-2010, 09:55 PM
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New S550 lease timing

I'm nearing the end of my 2008 E350 4Matic lease in December 2010. I'm thinking hard of stretching for a new S550 4Matic 2010 or 2011. Would appreciate any advice on:

1) Timing. Basically does anyone know if there will be much difference (if any) between the 2010 and 2011? I have been led to believe likely no significant difference. But would be interested to know if anyone anticipates/knows of any more minor changes (eg color options, COMMAND, InCar Internet, etc)?
Also, when would be the optimal time to lease... If I did it in the summer 2010 with early termination of E350, would the better deal/value come from getting a late 2010 model or early 2011 model... Does anyone know the details of how the S550 leasing terms generally vary with the transition period (if there even is a general pattern)?

2) Color. I have been very happy with Iridium Silver on the E350 (low effort in the Northeast) and my starting thought is to go same/similar in the S550. I love the look with Black but the need/effort to keep clean worries me as well as the perception I've picked up (from the forums I believe) that cops are more likely to stop a black S550.

3) Features. I've always liked having the RSE but since we leased a 2009 GL450 last year, the new family car, our sedan has become 95% just for my commuting. Also with the iPad price, I suspect it would be cheaper to buy iPad(s) for the kids rather than paying the price for RSE.

Thanks for any help/advice...
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I have heard that 2011 S class will introduce new MB line of turbo engines. Not sure if this is accurate but it would probably give MB an incentive to move the 2010's by increasing the residual values or decreasing the money factors for leases and offering cash incentives for purchase in the fall.
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Originally Posted by dmbordoni
I have heard that 2011 S class will introduce new MB line of turbo engines. Not sure if this is accurate but it would probably give MB an incentive to move the 2010's by increasing the residual values or decreasing the money factors for leases and offering cash incentives for purchase in the fall.
Thanks. Do you know when new model year info comes out? Last year it seems some news came in April...
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This is a March 25,2010 article from Motorauthority.com

New reports on the possibility of big shakeups in the Mercedes-Benz S-Class lineup are beginning to break loose, and our sleuths have laid down the digital shoe leather to bring you the latest inside news: there's a new direct-injection BiTurbo V-8 engine coming to the S-Class, and an all-hybrid take is also being seriously considered. The best part: it all starts with the 2011 model.
It's still not yet 100 percent that the S-Class will go all-hybrid, though that's definitely a "strong consideration" according to a Mercedes-Benz spokesman. What is certain, however, is that the current 5.5-liter naturally-aspirated, 382-horsepower S550 will get a new direct-injection, twin-turbocharged V-8 engine from the MoVe family of engines. The new V-8 S-Class will be officially unveiled in about six weeks. The CL-Class is due for a facelift later this year (spy shots and info here), and will also get the new BiTurbo V-8 engine among other upgrades.
Currently the S-Class lineup consists of the S400 Hybrid, the S550, the V-12-powered S600 and the S63 and S65 AMG cars. Boosting the S550 to a direct-injected twin-turbo (or in Mercedes-speak, BiTurbo) V-8, and presumably something more like 450 horsepower, narrows the gap to the S600, perhaps indicating further ripples through the S-Class pond are yet to come.
Right now the S-Class is poised at the middle of its product lifecycle, so updates to the line are more likely to be evolutionary than revolutionary. That said, there's already a hybrid system in the S400 Hybrid--though that's packaged with the smaller and less-powerful 3.5-liter V-6 engine for a combined output of 295 horsepower. With the impending strict fuel economy standards starting from 2012, however, it may make sense to find a way to stick a hybrid into the entire range. Whatever happens, we'll bring you the latest as we dig it up.
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Originally Posted by dmbordoni
This is a March 25,2010 article from Motorauthority.com

New reports on the possibility of big shakeups in the Mercedes-Benz S-Class lineup are beginning to break loose, and our sleuths have laid down the digital shoe leather to bring you the latest inside news: there's a new direct-injection BiTurbo V-8 engine coming to the S-Class, and an all-hybrid take is also being seriously considered. The best part: it all starts with the 2011 model.
It's still not yet 100 percent that the S-Class will go all-hybrid, though that's definitely a "strong consideration" according to a Mercedes-Benz spokesman. What is certain, however, is that the current 5.5-liter naturally-aspirated, 382-horsepower S550 will get a new direct-injection, twin-turbocharged V-8 engine from the MoVe family of engines. The new V-8 S-Class will be officially unveiled in about six weeks. The CL-Class is due for a facelift later this year (spy shots and info here), and will also get the new BiTurbo V-8 engine among other
upgrades.

Currently the S-Class lineup consists of the S400 Hybrid, the S550, the V-12-powered S600 and the S63 and S65 AMG cars. Boosting the S550 to a direct-injected twin-turbo (or in Mercedes-speak, BiTurbo) V-8, and presumably something more like 450 horsepower, narrows the gap to the S600, perhaps
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Right now the S-Class is poised at the middle of its product lifecycle, so updates to the line are more likely to be evolutionary than revolutionary. That said, there's already a hybrid system in the S400 Hybrid--though that's packaged with the smaller and less-powerful 3.5-liter V-6 engine for a combined output of 295 horsepower. With the impending strict fuel economy standards starting from 2012, however, it may make sense to find a way to stick a hybrid into the entire range. Whatever happens, we'll bring you the latest as we dig it up.
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Thanks. Sounds like I should sit tight until they announce the 2011 specs then make a decision on 2010 vs 2011 then try to optimize timing of lease, etc.
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If the "entry level S" goes hybrid only, sales will implode. No one wants the S400. The S550 doesn't need 75 more HP, which will likely add $15-20K to the price - if the entry level gasoline powered S moves up to that price point, sales will implode, everybody will run to the 7 series.

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If the "entry level S" goes hybrid only, sales will implode. No one wants the S400. The S550 doesn't need 75 more HP, which will likely add $15-20K to the price - if the entry level gasoline powered S moves up to that price point, sales will implode, everybody will run to the 7 series.
Not sure about others but I certainly have not been impressed with the S400 specs, but as of now not an option as I live on a fairly secluded northeast hill and need 4Matic which S400 doesn't have (to my knowledge)

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They are talking about the S500 full hybrid, not the mild S400...
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Originally Posted by emilner
They are talking about the S500 full hybrid, not the mild S400...
I see. Is it known whether the S500 will come with 4Matic option? If so, becomes much more enticing to me. I'm not big into major power (my E350 has enough) so luxury, ride, and price are more important. In short, would be fine to go green with the S500 if the price is not prohibitive. When will the S500 come to US market?
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Originally Posted by nyca
If the "entry level S" goes hybrid only, sales will implode. No one wants the S400. The S550 doesn't need 75 more HP, which will likely add $15-20K to the price - if the entry level gasoline powered S moves up to that price point, sales will implode, everybody will run to the 7 series.
It is not going to add 15-20k to the price. BMW just went the exact same route with the 5 and 7 series. In fact BMW dropped the price on the 5 series with the new engines and more standard content, I'm not sure if the same happened to the 7.

In the end MB must stay competitive with the its new S. If the 7 is pushing 400+ hp them MB will certainly not be known as the weaker car- they will leapfrog the 7. MB is usually known for more luxury and faster cars while BMW gives up some straight line performance for balance.

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