DirtyVegasMB

I was wondering if the tuned S550 (4.6TT) runs stronger/faster than the S63 (6.2L). Renntech has the tuned S550 at 530 HP & 606 TQ. This gives the 2011+ S550 over 100 TQ over the S63.

Anyone have any real life info on the tuned S550 (4.6TT)? Are there any comparisons out there to S63 (6.2)?

Seems like a 2011+ S550 with AMG package could be a better performer than S63 (6.2).

xxGenericSNxx

I'm interested in finding this out as well. I was wondering the exact same thing as well as TT tuned 550 vs. stock TT 63.

What about S550 without sport package? LOL


BTW sick S Lorinser! I love the color and kit.

Quadcammer

If you care about speed, get an s65 and stop wondering.

Amaterasu

Must be TT tuned 4matic run little bit faster that amg

Sher Judge

S65 = no brainer.

DirtyVegasMB

Thank you for a useless reply. But in case you were wondering:

Plenty of power to be had from the 550 (4.6TT) or 600 (5.5TT) to get them to be close performers to stock S65.

I acutally want to go down in engine size to have less wheel spin and more power on top after the tune. I have so much TQ that my 1st gear is useless even with my 295 Super Sport rears. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to drive the S65 around town and constantly have your traction control come on. All that and not to mention the additional cost the S65 carries.

percykwong

I've been looking for 4.6 performance goodies as well.. they seem to be hard to find. A buddy of mine (builds racecars) has been buggin me to install wastegate dumps, a new exhaust and do a tune. (The WG Dumps would be on a relay so I could turn them on and off).. For the extra "effect" when I wanna open her up. He was also discussing Direct Nitrous Injection on the intercoolers as well (full time). I saw an SLR done up that way (and got a chance to drive it).. It's a completely sick set up.. REALLY fast and incredibly reliable.

He also mentioned I could use CO2 in place of nitrous (or have 1 NOS + 2 CO2 tanks) on a relay for different performance modes.. [cost becomes a factor when you're injecting full time]

It just seems like overkill for an S though.. Although it would be entertaining at times..

Quadcammer

You're welcome.

maybe consider an actual performance car and not a luxury sedan with a powerful engine.

percykwong

I thought about it (a toy for zipping around), but once I tried the sedans, I really love the comfort. While I'm not looking to take an SLS out of the gates or anything that insane, I'm just looking for a bit more "freeway merging" power and a bit more top end. (Hence, the lifting of the limiter). I know a tune could easily take me into the 170+ range on the top end and get me there comfortably. (Let's just say I don't know if I'll ever just take the car to Germany for a few months).

Looking @ Toy cars, I've been considering an SLS, but just can't seem to justify the cost for a car I'll drive once a month (if that).. I'd rather have a boat for that money. (One of my investments is a Marine Services Company). So cost to maintain a boat vs. a Toy car (performance oriented car) is about the same for me.

Thanks for the info. I think I'm about 60% committed to the tune. Just want to do some more research on warranty-esque issues.

Cheers.

-P

DirtyVegasMB

Performance car? Uhm. Look at my sig.

Lastly, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a sedan and a powerful engine!

AZBENZ-CTSV

.... or an S600 with just ECU flash for $1,000 = faster than stock 65's

percykwong

I find it ironic that many Benz owners just assume that "AMG" is the only way to get performance out of a car. Yes, they're the performance group for MB, but there are other options that can be had for the same or less (or more) money out there depending on your preference.

Don't get me wrong. I've owned an AMG or two. I like them. They do a great job for the buyer who wants a bit more power. For a true performance enthusiast (like many on this board), I would assume a bit of research would've been in order.

While I like my Benz and I like my AMG Benz(s, es?), there is so much more performance to be had (and reliable performance at that) from the premier tuners for the same or less money. Just the fact that Brabus can reliably take a TT4.6 to V-limited 186 says a lot. I actually inquired about lifting the limiter altogether and they basically said, "uhm.. no" which makes me wonder at what point the car takes flight.. lol. (seriously).

I understand the crackerjack standards mentality of just buying AMG and being done with it and not worrying about warranties and such, but at least one tuner (Brabus) offers a complete drop-in replacement warranty for the entire power/drive train. The only thing you miss out on is the free loaner, but for that level of performance, I'd rent a car for the one or two times it would be in the shop.

While a V12 is nice (and I've owned a couple in my time), I'd just buy a stock V-12 (600?) and take it to the tuner for the deluxe treatment. I will say that whenever I bought a V12, it wasn't for the extra power, but for the smoother, more defined torque/acceleration curve any V12 provides.. Something a TT would be hard to provide even if finely tuned. Throw a couple of Turbos on a V12 (with the right tuner) and you have a car that provides the best of all worlds, although, at that point much more needs to be taken into consideration (aerodynamics, brakes, Tires / Wheels).

There's also something to be said about wearing Brabus nomenclature and having the (excuse the vernacular) ***** to back it up. I still don't understand rebadging a car and not doing any performance mods to it though.. I'm more the type to order option 261 (MBs badge delete designation). It's more fun that way.

Am I wrong to make this assumption or am I just completely missing something here?

**yes.. I like Brabus. They just seem to perpetually get it right most of the time. Putting a warranty behind an enhancement says a lot about reliability in my eyes.

malahhaor

Although you can tune the 550 TT to outperform the n/a 63 in a straight line. I think AMG will offer a more responsive trans and better handling suspension. My n/a S550 has plenty of go but transmission is like an old Cadillac. If I know I will need to go, I always have to manually downshift ahead in order to get any kind of responce. Amg trans will not have same issues.so on a short sprint 63 may win because it will get a jump on it faster. But tuned 550 will catch up after a little.

percykwong

Agreed on the point that the tranny computer is set up different. None of the tuners have come up with a flash for that yet, although, it'd be quite interesting. I've had the pleasure of owning two types of S550s and I can tell you the 7 Speed Transmission gives the 2013 quite a bit of kick and when coupled with the Forced Induction (and small turbos at that), it really is a beast for a stock sedan. Compared to a non-turbo, it's definitely like driving a completely different car.

I'd be interested in seeing what a tuned S550 TT could do against a stock S63 and S65 respectively.

Quadcammer

then what happens when the 65 gets an ecu flash.

modded to stock comparisons are silly.

AZBENZ-CTSV

i'll agree and disagree with that statement.
when you spend 10 to 15k to MOD that's one thing but when it costs only
$1000 to take 600's to better than 65 stock performance that's AMAZING and fair comparison

600 hp and 700 pounds of TQ

Quadcammer

its really academic when we get to the level being discussed, but if you want to be no question the fastest s-class out there, you start with the 65 and go from there.

Should 600bhp be enough for even the most addicted power freak...yes.