S-Class (W221) 2007-2013: S 320 CDI, S 350, S 450, S 500, S 550, S 420 CDI, S 600

2007 S320 cdi juddering at 1500rpm.. Help..!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old May 8, 2014 | 05:09 PM
  #1  
Whoops1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
2007 S320cdi
Question 2007 S320 cdi juddering at 1500rpm.. Help..!!

Hi all,

Any comments / help would be appreciated....

I'm looking to steer my independent specialist in the right direction. My problem is below, but since buying the car, I've had a full service (oil filter, air filter, oil change). The car has had timing chain changed and tightened around 30k miles ago, and has been serviced every year since new. The mechanic tells me that the EGR has been removed and cleaned up and the turbo is clean and clear. I've just had all of the glow plugs changed and the control unit was changed about 2 years ago.

All of this and the car - especially from cold - struggles to get over 1500rpm. It's as if the car is limiting itself to that level. Occasionally it gets up to 2000rpm, but judders like a misfire or as if it is running out of fuel and then settles back to 1500rpm.

I've put some Redex in the tank to hopefully clear anything, but this has been pretty useless.

I was hoping before the mechanic starts "trial-ing and error-ing" and this costing me a fair few £££'s ... Maybe someone had had the same problem and could help me ..??

The next suggestion is that the diesel particle filter is blocked and to try a new product "cataclean" ... Any thoughts..??

I'm not mechanically gifted, but learn loads from these threads and comments.. so would appreciate any (not too technical) please..!!

Thanks for your help in advance..
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 04:15 AM
  #2  
Diesel Benz's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,498
Likes: 335
From: Europe
223.168 & 213.012 & 906.633 & 214.005
Bring it to an independent who has the Star Diagnosis tool and knows how to interpret engine sensor figures.
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 10:06 AM
  #3  
Whoops1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
2007 S320cdi
Thanks,

Apparently the diesel particle filter is 300% (tolerance is 120% ..!!) full or blocked .. Whatever the term would be for that part...

Would this cause the juddering effect and restriction to 1500rpm..??
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2017 | 04:31 PM
  #4  
g naza's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
MB E280 CDI
Hi. I know this is an old thread but having exactly the same problem. Would really appreciate if you could tell me what fixed it as I have changed the turbo, inlet flaps motor, MAF sensor, cleaned the intake manifold flaps and nothing helped so far. Thanks in advance
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2017 | 04:32 PM
  #5  
DaveW68's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
Veteran: Army
10 Year Member
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 4,242
Likes: 628
From: Chicago burbs
2015 S550
Originally Posted by g naza
Hi. I know this is an old thread but having exactly the same problem. Would really appreciate if you could tell me what fixed it as I have changed the turbo, inlet flaps motor, MAF sensor, cleaned the intake manifold flaps and nothing helped so far. Thanks in advance
The problem is that you're throwing a bunch of parts at it without having the car properly diagnosed. An hour of diagnosis by a dealer is around $130. Let them scan & inspect it to tell you what's wrong....then do the repairs yourself if you feel so inclined.
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2017 | 06:05 PM
  #6  
g naza's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
MB E280 CDI
Originally Posted by DaveW68
The problem is that you're throwing a bunch of parts at it without having the car properly diagnosed. An hour of diagnosis by a dealer is around $130. Let them scan & inspect it to tell you what's wrong....then do the repairs yourself if you feel so inclined.
Thanks for your reply. I already had it at the independent mb specialist and the car has been put on STAR. The codes were:
0105-002 CHARGE PRESSURE SENSOR SIGNAL VOLTAGE LOW

2359-001 CHARGE PRESSURE CONTROL. TOO LOW BOOST PRESSURE.

They suggested i change a turbo, an inlet flaps motor and some seals, all of which i did an none helped.
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2017 | 12:38 AM
  #7  
Nuru's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,904
Likes: 29
S350 BT 4MATIC
Originally Posted by g naza
Thanks for your reply. I already had it at the independent mb specialist and the car has been put on STAR. The codes were:
0105-002 CHARGE PRESSURE SENSOR SIGNAL VOLTAGE LOW

2359-001 CHARGE PRESSURE CONTROL. TOO LOW BOOST PRESSURE.

They suggested i change a turbo, an inlet flaps motor and some seals, all of which i did an none helped.
Did they check for leaks in the downstream charged air hose that transports charged air from the turbo to the engine? Mine was leaking on my car and it had my car underperforming big time and it was intermittent (<$700 installed). Seems that it was fine after initial start up but soon afterward, it could strike at anytime. It is on the back of the engine in a very tight spot.

Last edited by Nuru; Mar 4, 2017 at 12:46 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2017 | 02:37 AM
  #8  
g naza's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
MB E280 CDI
Originally Posted by Nuru
Did they check for leaks in the downstream charged air hose that transports charged air from the turbo to the engine? Mine was leaking on my car and it had my car underperforming big time and it was intermittent (<$700 installed). Seems that it was fine after initial start up but soon afterward, it could strike at anytime. It is on the back of the engine in a very tight spot.
i had a smoke test done on the whole system and no leaks were found
Reply
MB World Stories

The Best of Mercedes & AMG

story-0

6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Mar 7, 2017 | 09:51 AM
  #9  
g naza's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
MB E280 CDI
Originally Posted by g naza
i had a smoke test done on the whole system and no leaks were found

Exhaust back pressure sensor was faulty and causing the car to not rev over 1500 rpm
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2017 | 07:09 AM
  #10  
Nuru's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,904
Likes: 29
S350 BT 4MATIC
Glad you found the issue!
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2017 | 08:07 AM
  #11  
g naza's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
MB E280 CDI
Originally Posted by Nuru
Glad you found the issue!
Thanks mate. It did feel good to finally get it back after being down for 5 weeks!
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2017 | 08:23 AM
  #12  
alx's Avatar
alx
MBWorld Fanatic!
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,268
Likes: 253
5 weeks to identify a faulty back pressure sensor? It takes about 15 minutes with star/ das.

Change mechanic.
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2017 | 08:26 AM
  #13  
g naza's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
MB E280 CDI
There was more. The original problem was the turbo itself (one of the impellers was broken), which needed changing. Then there was a problem with manifold flaps not working correctly. And the last bit (1500 rpm limit) was down to the back pressure sensor.
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2017 | 10:45 AM
  #14  
Nuru's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,904
Likes: 29
S350 BT 4MATIC
Wow. one quick question, after being down 5 weeks do you happen to notice any new audible sounds coming from the engine compartment?
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2017 | 02:41 PM
  #15  
g naza's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
MB E280 CDI
Originally Posted by Nuru
Wow. one quick question, after being down 5 weeks do you happen to notice any new audible sounds coming from the engine compartment?
Not really. The engine runs very quiet and smooth now, very responsive & returns better MPGs. Very pleased with the car now.
I also did not mention in the previous post that at the same time I changed an inlet flaps motor, fuel filter, EGR, plenty of seals and gaskets + coolant.

Last edited by g naza; Mar 11, 2017 at 02:53 PM.
Reply

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:49 PM.

story-0
6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

Slideshow: Not every Mercedes design becomes timeless, some feel stuck in the era they came from.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:09:07


VIEW MORE
story-1
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

Slideshow: Yes, Mercedes built manual cars, and some of them are far more interesting than you'd expect.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-02 12:36:58


VIEW MORE
story-2
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

Slideshow: A one-of-one U.S.-spec Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster became even rarer after a factory-backed transformation at McLaren's headquarters.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 11:19:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Before curves took over, Mercedes mastered the art of the straight line, and some of those shapes still look right today.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-25 12:05:49


VIEW MORE
story-4
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

Slideshow: The 190E Evolution II shows how a homologation necessity became a six-figure collector icon.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-22 17:53:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

Slideshow: Mercedes is turning one of its core nameplates electric, and the details show just how serious this shift is.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:58:06


VIEW MORE
story-6
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

Slideshow: Faster charging, longer range, and a controversial steer-by-wire system define the latest evolution of Mercedes-Benz EQS.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-15 10:35:34


VIEW MORE
story-7
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

Slideshow: These overlooked Mercedes-Benz models never got the spotlight, but they quietly delivered more than most remember.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-13 19:35:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

Slideshow: A well-used 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300D with more than one million miles is now looking for a new owner, and it still appears ready for more.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-10 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used

Slideshow: From bulletproof sedans to surprisingly tough SUVs, these Mercedes models proved that the three-pointed star can go the distance.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-08 09:55:49


VIEW MORE