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Old May 4, 2026 | 08:55 AM
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Combination fault of component A86/1b2 (left inner radar sensor)
Previously, communication faults were also observed in component A86/1b3.
Does anyone have experience with this?
i have a Merce. w221 350 benzin 2013 import from jappan.
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take off the front number plate and see if they go away ?

the size of some number plates (particularly if made of metal) can obscure what the radars want to see...does this car have round town stop start radar cruise control - early jap spec 221 didn't have these extra hidden behind the bumper radars - just the single one behind the grille, and thus cruise just disabled below certain speeds - Distronic Plus - will brake to a stop
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Xentry leads me to one sensor on the left side behind the bumper, and this car also has Distronic and speed limiter options
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If you have visible parking sensors, start there.

Middle one on left side of front bumper...

The control unit is in the trunk, right hand side between the trunk lid pump/ECU and tail light.

Being Japanese, it should have option codes 220 Parktronic and 219 Distronic. The fault you show is with the Parktronic sensors.

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Originally Posted by 2481977dullA
Xentry leads me to one sensor on the left side behind the bumper, and this car also has Distronic and speed limiter options
220 style radar cruise was called Distronic and as I mention was fitted to Jap spec 221s - and having a speed limiter is not something you get on the ROW Distronic Plus spec cars

according to this the component you mention is an inner left SGR radar - for cars with Distronic Plus - has someone tried to upgrade the car ?



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Old May 6, 2026 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BOTUS
220 style radar cruise was called Distronic and as I mention was fitted to Jap spec 221s - and having a speed limiter is not something you get on the ROW Distronic Plus spec cars

according to this the component you mention is an inner left SGR radar - for cars with Distronic Plus - has someone tried to upgrade the car ?


Sorry but you're potentially mistaken.

220 is the parking sensors.
219 is Distronic
233 is ROW Distronic plus.

219 cars do have a speed limit function as does any cruise enabled Mercedes from this century... Push the tip of the stalk towards the column and an orange light appears on the stalk. When you set the speed it sets the limiter rather than cruise.

To the OP, using a vin decoder, what option codes are fitted to your car? This will help clarify exactly what is fitted and what the car is complaining about. Japanese spec cars are optioned very differently to Euro and US cars.

Your VIN, if you're prepared to send/share it can be put into WIS/EPC to correctly identify the applicable parts.

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Originally Posted by AL5461

219 cars do have a speed limit function as does any cruise enabled Mercedes from this century... Push the tip of the stalk towards the column and an orange light appears on the stalk. When you set the speed it sets the limiter rather than cruise.

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my 221 with Distronic plus doesn’t have the speed limit function - and nor do any others with Distronic Plus - there is no point as distronic plus does it all better
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Originally Posted by BOTUS
my 221 with Distronic plus doesn’t have the speed limit function - and nor do any others with Distronic Plus - there is no point as distronic plus does it all better
Speed limiter is not a cruise function. It prevents over speeding rather than maintaining a speed. Not the same thing even if it uses the same mechanism to function.
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Originally Posted by AL5461
Speed limiter is not a cruise function. It prevents over speeding rather than maintaining a speed. Not the same thing even if it uses the same mechanism to function.
I know what it is, my fathers car has the pointless and irritating feature

my 221 doesn't


the user manual doesn't even show the speed limiter function for 221's with basic cruise

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Originally Posted by BOTUS
I know what it is, my fathers car has the pointless and irritating feature

my 221 doesn't


the user manual doesn't even show the speed limiter function for 221's with basic cruise
Mine had it from new, basic cruise... And it still has it now after the Distronic retrofit.

And it's not pointless and irritating... Cruise of either system allows the vehicle to accelerate down long hills, especially while towing. Speed limiter doesn't

All a wonderful point of debate, but largely irrelevant to the original question.

So, again, to the OP:

Exactly what option codes are fitted to your car? Without this specific information, any guidance offered is going to get sidetracked
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Originally Posted by AL5461

And it's not pointless and irritating... Cruise of either system allows the vehicle to accelerate down long hills, especially while towing. Speed limiter doesn't
since they invented ESP and added the pump to make up brake pressure, most BMW and Mercedes from 2006 have basic cruise control with braking - to stop it speeding up when rolling downhill
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Originally Posted by BOTUS
since they invented ESP and added the pump to make up brake pressure, most BMW and Mercedes from 2006 have basic cruise control with braking - to stop it speeding up when rolling downhill
Again, with respect, you are mistaken.

It doesn't help that Mercedes call it Speedtronic/Variable Speedtronic, but it does get 2.5 pages of mention in the vehicle handbook...

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And for transparency, that's from a 2008/9 handbook although it functions as described on my 2006.

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Originally Posted by 2481977dullA
Combination fault of component A86/1b2 (left inner radar sensor)
Previously, communication faults were also observed in component A86/1b3.
Does anyone have experience with this?
i have a Merce. w221 350 benzin 2013 import from jappan.
Thanks
What are the factory option codes from the data card/build sheet for your car?

Identifying exactly what is fitted will help focus the advice given😉

Japanese spec cars are often distinctly different in options available/fitted and functionality compared to other markets...

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Functionality of Standard Mercedes Cruise Control

Braking Mechanism

  • Engine Braking: Standard Mercedes cruise control primarily uses engine braking to maintain the set speed.
  • Braking Application: If the vehicle exceeds the set speed, the system may apply the brakes to slow down.

Key Points

  • The cruise control does not continuously use the brakes to maintain speed.
  • It relies on the engine's resistance to help control speed on flat or uphill roads.
  • The brakes are only engaged if necessary to prevent exceeding the set speed.
This system is designed to enhance driving comfort while ensuring safety by managing speed effectively.





9 Pages later the other system





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Yup, no mention of speed limiter function in either cruise or Distronic, plus or otherwise, because it is a separate function👍
It will be over the page from the explanation of the potential limitations of Distronic/plus such as driving around curves...

Still no nearer the original problem though🤷

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