W222 a "heavily facelifted" W221? Rides on same core chassis/architecture
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Crazy guy!
The E is a compromised product. It factually is almost half Chinese (I.e cheaper) material in entire parts content. That's all that matters here. The SL is 80% German, the 5 75% German and the compromised E 50% German. Add it up.
You can't single out Chinese parts on a car with 40% Chinese parts, they're all over the car because the car is about HALF it. The entire car is affected by its material usage, only half of which is German, the other Chinese.
The E is a compromised product. It factually is almost half Chinese (I.e cheaper) material in entire parts content. That's all that matters here. The SL is 80% German, the 5 75% German and the compromised E 50% German. Add it up.
You can't single out Chinese parts on a car with 40% Chinese parts, they're all over the car because the car is about HALF it. The entire car is affected by its material usage, only half of which is German, the other Chinese.
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Please do so. Get one of the 5 Series as well. I have both window stickers of mine at home which state the German part content but the Chinese part content is on a separate sticker. The E should read 5% American parts, I believe a small portion of Mexican parts and the majority of the non-German other half is Chinese.
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You're a dumbarse just like I thought, the E-Class sticker says nothing about Chinese made parts, it says that the car is 73% German:
NOW PROVE THAT THE E-CLASS HAS 40% CHINESE PARTS!!!!!!
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NOW PROVE THAT THE E-CLASS HAS 40% CHINESE PARTS!!!!!!
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Finally K-A someone has taken you to task. You are not only misinformed but a liar.
What is the german content again? Tell us, what is the german content in the E? Tell us again what you read on the E class window sticker.
It must be humiliating to be caught in such a blatant lie you Know it All. We have all had enough of your condescending attitude on things you know nothing about. Now we all can see you as the little pipsqueak fraud that you are and it's time that a piece of crap troll like you be banned.
Your done, toast, kaput K-A.
What is the german content again? Tell us, what is the german content in the E? Tell us again what you read on the E class window sticker.
It must be humiliating to be caught in such a blatant lie you Know it All. We have all had enough of your condescending attitude on things you know nothing about. Now we all can see you as the little pipsqueak fraud that you are and it's time that a piece of crap troll like you be banned.
Your done, toast, kaput K-A.
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Don't blame me for Mercedes inconsistent messy production and about-face changes for the facelift.
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K-A had the only E with 50% Chinese content and unfortunately the window sticker has been destroyed. I like his one line defense "MB is faking the content now". Where is the long diatribe that we normally get from him. We know who the fake is, don't we K-A???
K-A, I think your pants are on fire.
K-A, I think your pants are on fire.
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Rest assured I'll find an image somewhere. I only have my 2010 sticker which seems to be before they put content figures on the actual window sticker. My 2011's sticker is with its new driver.
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Even W204 stickers now show 73% and they used to show 50% when I compared to my 2011 E Class. MB used to put the part content sticker separately on the car from the msrp sticker and those showed 50%. Since they switched to the new style msrp sticker it now says 73%. Maybe they switched suppliers or maybe they're fudging numbers because too many cross shoppers asked "Why does BMW have such a higher German parts content?".
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Manufacturers don't fudge numbers on Monroney stickers... that would land them in so much hot water it wouldn't even be funny.
My W204 is a SA build. I think I have the sticker at home. Will check tonight.
My W204 is a SA build. I think I have the sticker at home. Will check tonight.
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Well how else do they go from 50% to 73% in one year? Maybe even more changes were done to the facelift then meets the eye (makes no sense as unfortunately it drives and feels identical to the present facelift).
Rest assured I'll find an image somewhere. I only have my 2010 sticker which seems to be before they put content figures on the actual window sticker. My 2011's sticker is with its new driver.
Rest assured I'll find an image somewhere. I only have my 2010 sticker which seems to be before they put content figures on the actual window sticker. My 2011's sticker is with its new driver.
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Even W204 stickers now show 73% and they used to show 50% when I compared to my 2011 E Class. MB used to put the part content sticker separately on the car from the msrp sticker and those showed 50%. Since they switched to the new style msrp sticker it now says 73%. Maybe they switched suppliers or maybe they're fudging numbers because too many cross shoppers asked "Why does BMW have such a higher German parts content?".
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I'll post it up on the W212 forum to see what 2010/2011 E owners have, if they saved theirs.
If I'm wrong then I'm wrong on this particular matter (i.e my memory failed me), but it's a rarity.
If I'm wrong then I'm wrong on this particular matter (i.e my memory failed me), but it's a rarity.
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Now that the face-lifted E is not 40% Chinese, does that mean it is a better car than given credit for? Maybe that is why you see all the new E taxis instead of BMWs?
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Finally K-A someone has taken you to task. You are not only misinformed but a liar.
What is the german content again? Tell us, what is the german content in the E? Tell us again what you read on the E class window sticker.
It must be humiliating to be caught in such a blatant lie you Know it All. We have all had enough of your condescending attitude on things you know nothing about. Now we all can see you as the little pipsqueak fraud that you are and it's time that a piece of crap troll like you be banned.
Your done, toast, kaput K-A.
What is the german content again? Tell us, what is the german content in the E? Tell us again what you read on the E class window sticker.
It must be humiliating to be caught in such a blatant lie you Know it All. We have all had enough of your condescending attitude on things you know nothing about. Now we all can see you as the little pipsqueak fraud that you are and it's time that a piece of crap troll like you be banned.
Your done, toast, kaput K-A.
I got to thinking, why would a car sold in the U.S. by a German manufacturer have 40% Chinese parts. That doesn't even make common sense.
Low and Behold it was the fountain of misinformation spreading this bull**** all along. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming folks.
K/A - I'll help you out here, did you happen to see the sticker on a E-Class manufactured in China from a knock down kit? That sticker may say 40% local (i.e. Chinese) content, otherwise you're just all wet.
There is no damn way a GERMAN car maker is going to have 40% Chinese parts content in their cars. They are way too prideful for that.
Now I guess I'm going to have to find a pre-facelift sticker to blow away the rest of the bull**** from the sidewalk.
M
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Fact is the 5 is still more bleeding-edge, has vastly superior drivetrains especially in 6 cylinder format and a transmission the M-B transmission is eons away from, has a vastly superior suspension, both handles far more sportily (with M suspension, a must) and far more comfortably even WITH RFT's and 19's VS the E's 18's, has far more refined and premium interior materials, less hard and crude plastics, far more advanced infotainment system, much more hi-def larger screen, gets better universal safety scores, has electronics like E-parking brake, HUD, E-brake hold where the E either has nothing or old-school analogue, etc. etc. Not to mention the chassis of the F10 is a whopping 30% stiffer than the E's, which is why the F10 also feels more "Benz-like" than the E to me, i.e more tank-like, much more coddling, isolating and quieter (again, thanks to being over-engineered at its core to be able to hold up to not only the 7 Series but the RR Ghost of which is based on it) yet has a Sport Mode so advanced and comprehensive that a simple press of the button and it becomes a relative adrenaline rush (and gives you FULL use of the paddle shifters with no computer interference) while the E's "Sport" mode is nothing more than a useless gimmick really. 535i's more advanced powertrain also gives off better MPG, smoother operation, etc. The E comes with standard plastic seats (I like MB Tex, btw), the F10 standard leather, I can go on and on.
None of that changes.
E Taxi use can be for a number of reasons, namely M-B perhaps giving better discounts to Taxi fleets as BMW doesn't want to be known as a "Taxi" car as much (the 5 is essentially geared towards a younger and more "spirited" audience anyway). However, YES, I acknowledge M-B's are rock solid and more reliable than BMW's (though the F10 is more solid than the W212 and has FAR less rattles since the W212's terrible suspension dampening over rough roads and softer chassis lead to more noises, creaks and squeaks), no argument, however I'm talking about refinement, material and DRIVING (and tech) quality, not reliability (which M-B is great at now, however at the cost of more "analogue" less bleeding-edge cars, as I pointed out with many examples above).
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I got to thinking, why would a car sold in the U.S. by a German manufacturer have 40% Chinese parts. That doesn't even make common sense.
Low and Behold it was the fountain of misinformation spreading this bull**** all along. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming folks.
K/A - I'll help you out here, did you happen to see the sticker on a E-Class manufactured in China from a knock down kit? That sticker may say 40% local (i.e. Chinese) content, otherwise you're just all wet.
There is no damn way a GERMAN car maker is going to have 40% Chinese parts content in their cars. They are way too prideful for that.
Now I guess I'm going to have to find a pre-facelift sticker to blow away the rest of the bull**** from the sidewalk.
M
Low and Behold it was the fountain of misinformation spreading this bull**** all along. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming folks.
K/A - I'll help you out here, did you happen to see the sticker on a E-Class manufactured in China from a knock down kit? That sticker may say 40% local (i.e. Chinese) content, otherwise you're just all wet.
There is no damn way a GERMAN car maker is going to have 40% Chinese parts content in their cars. They are way too prideful for that.
Now I guess I'm going to have to find a pre-facelift sticker to blow away the rest of the bull**** from the sidewalk.
M
You have to find it regarding 2010 or 2011 M-B's (C Class and GLK included as those had the 50% German figure as well). I'm trying to find it myself. If I'm wrong I'm wrong on this one little matter, but I know I saw that M-B's in 2010/2011 had a little sticker that said 50% German parts.
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BLEEDING EDGE BY USING THE SAME TRANSMISSION THAT A DOZEN OTHER LUXURY CARS HAVE. MORE BULL****.
ALSO THE I6 IS SUPERIOR YES, BUT IS THAT WHY THE 5-SERIES RELIABILITY SUCKS?
NOTICE HOW YOU DROPPED THE RELIABILITY FROM YOUR ARGUMENT?
NOW RINSE AND REPEAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER UNTIL SOMEONE CARES.
YOU WE'RE WRONG AS **** ON A WHITE TABLECLOTH. YOU CAN NOT LIKE THE E AND BUILD A CASE FOR THE 5-SERIES BEING SUPERIOR, BUT IT ISN'T BASED ON SOME BULL**** ABOUT CHINESE PARTS OR BLEEDING EDGE.
ZF'S 8 SPEED 8HP TRANSMISSION IS USED BY EVERYONE BUT MERCEDES.
A TURBO I6 IS HARDLY BLEEDING EDGE.
SUPERIOR IT MAY BE TO MERCEDES' EQUIVALENTS, BUT BLEEDING EDGE IT ISN'T.
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ALSO THE I6 IS SUPERIOR YES, BUT IS THAT WHY THE 5-SERIES RELIABILITY SUCKS?
NOTICE HOW YOU DROPPED THE RELIABILITY FROM YOUR ARGUMENT?
NOW RINSE AND REPEAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER UNTIL SOMEONE CARES.
YOU WE'RE WRONG AS **** ON A WHITE TABLECLOTH. YOU CAN NOT LIKE THE E AND BUILD A CASE FOR THE 5-SERIES BEING SUPERIOR, BUT IT ISN'T BASED ON SOME BULL**** ABOUT CHINESE PARTS OR BLEEDING EDGE.
ZF'S 8 SPEED 8HP TRANSMISSION IS USED BY EVERYONE BUT MERCEDES.
A TURBO I6 IS HARDLY BLEEDING EDGE.
SUPERIOR IT MAY BE TO MERCEDES' EQUIVALENTS, BUT BLEEDING EDGE IT ISN'T.
M