I can say about 1-2 years ago I liked every car in the line-up. Last gen C, last gen E, etc. and I currently don't like the turn the whole brand has made, "looks wise". I think all the new cars are less aggressive than they were, aside from the s coupe that I haven't seen in person. I'm one that likes edgy boxier cars like the previous Range Rover's. I'm just not adapting to the bubble look and I think it ages faster...

 

Haha. If you think that you "picked apart" my arguments "line by line" you wouldn't be here, driving yourself bonkers trying to silence my valid, experienced, and well laid out negatives toward your precious brand. I'd imagine that Daimler wished they had you on payroll, if only you were more effective at proving your case, instead of simply baiting me to consistently provide information as to what makes M-B so lacking, and believe me, what I'm saying is more effective than what you are. I'm not going into threads of owners cars telling them how much they suck. I'm participating in one thread about how people feel about an S550 Coupe based on a negative stylistic reaction. And you take it as an insult to your mother. Sorry, but I'm completely in the right here, and have valid points to make, just like everyone else.

I have more experience with M-B's than you. You're arguing what you know less than me here.

And that's really all that needs to be said in this pi$$ing contest.

 

When you can't provide a single fact of figure to rebut anything then your argument has been picked part piece by piece. I'm still waiting on you to provide the proof that the E-Class has 40% Chinese parts in it. You would have to have a credible argument to drive anyone bonkers.



What information have your provided other than your opinion? Seriously where is the information, the facts, figures, research? Were is it? Sorry all you gave is your opinion on how the S550 Coupe looks and I never said you were wrong about that, just everything else. I can't tell you how should think a car looks. Never tried to. This started with your argument about sales and lack thereof. Of which you still never posted any numbers, but I did.


Not with the W222 you haven't or with the FL E-Class you haven't.


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The facelift E Class drives IDENTICAL to the pre facelift. I've driven a facelift E Class, and a 2012 when they made subtle changes to the springs and adding electrical steering (I'm sure you didn't know that), and my two. Slight added smoothness due to the spring change, but largely they drive the EXACT same, steering even looser if anything, and still rolls like a metaphorical old Caddy when you test its agility or simply go through a turn with even low to moderate speed. M-B put all their money into making it look terrible, not drive better.

The sales numbers you posted proved MY point. The CL and upper range M-B's, save for the S, have declined in sales. I'm not interested in excuses, or the market as a whole. I'm talking about MB, and it's fact that their average MSRP is much lower than it used to be, and lineup much larger.

Unless you can find a sticker of a 2010/2011 E Class and its parts usage, then you never proved me wrong, because those are the cars I was referencing with the parts usage sticker. 2012+ seemed to show a much different parts usage, which could have a lot to do with the new drivetrain and steering amongst other things. Anyway, the W205 C uses much less German parts than before, so whether I was right or wrong on the E, once again, I foresaw a trend.

I started this with my criticism of the looks of the S550 Coupe, not sales, not drive, etc.. You once again drove it into this dance. You can't accept my criticism, because it strikes a chord, because it makes sense. You know it, and you've used up tons of bandwidth clearly trying to convince yourself otherwise.

 

Not my experience. The newer model was quieter and smoother riding that before IME.


Nope that the prove is that you don't know what you're talking about and you're willing to ignore all the facts to focus on just one. Sales declines happen over time with ANY PRODUCT. Common sense. This is not limited to Mercedes. You call it excuses, these are facts. Again, do you have the number of models Mercedes sell vs Audi and BMW to know if their lineup is larger? FACTS PLEASE. Their ATP is still much higher than Audi, BMW or Lexus. FACT. Need to see it?


I PROVE YOU WRONG THAT THREAD. Are you really that naive to think that that German car company would use 40% Chinese parts in a German car? Think for about that for a second. Use your common sense and ask yourself does that make sense to you? The C-Class is built here now. OMG are you really this out of it? Of course it uses less German parts than before IT IS BUILT IN THE U.S. NOW!!!


Nope. Wrong again. I merely asked had you seen the car in person. Nothing more then you went into your tirade about sales and other BS that you can't provide any facts about, only your limited opinion.

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Yes, the C is made in America now, and uses more American parts. And IME, it drives and feels like it. Lol

Fact is, I partake to express about the cars. You to defend the cars honor to a particular naysayer muse. Just because you're an MB fanboy on an MB board doesn't mean you're actually more right. If there's a "troll" here it's technically you, because you partake to argue. That's actually not my intention.

 

See this is why you're limited. Where a car is built has nothing to do with how it drives. All of that was done in Germany, it is called engineering and design. Where it is assembled would show up in the build or lack thereof, not how it drives. How a car drives is sheer engineering, not where the car is built.

Nope, fact is that you never post any facts only your opinions. I never called you a troll, though you've been banned from various sites for being a troll though.

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If one had a choice for their new s class to be assembled here or in Germany... I'd feel more comfortable having it assembled where it was designed - in it's homeland by those same people. I understand why the C, and other are built here, so they can be more competitive on price, but I doubt we will ever see a S class assembled here in the usa They don't trust us with their flagship baby.

 

Funny how things change taste-wise. I used to love the W221 (still a sharp looking car with the sports package) but when I walk into the show room and I see a CPO W221 S63 standing next to a new S550 I am surprised how much more I like the S550's design. Especially with the Sport+ package. Just a much more elegant and distinguished design. And that's just the exterior.

Now, how well all of these designs age remains to be seen. I thought that the previous SL (R230) was absolutely timeless in design, now I am finding that it looks dated.

Not that I am crazy about the current SL's front-end either. MB really screwed up the headlights especially when looking at the cool front end of the S-Class Coupe or GT AMG and I am hoping for a proper facelift, but the rest of the car (side and rear, hood and overall design lines) just looks thoroughly more modern.

 

What?! This is another space where your knowledge is limited, and you follow the peachy stars of whatever Mercedes-Benz says. Where a car is made has a ton to do with its quality. The new C is arguably more American than it is German where it counts most (parts, build), literally, yet it comes with a German price premium! Yet you'll swallow whatever M-B tells you. It makes sense why you think I'm "clueless", since again, what I say goes over your head. What do you think contribute to that drive? Parts, parts quality, assembly quality, etc. A design can only go so far, it needs appropriate contributing measures as well. To me, the new C actually feels more American than it did before. I'm not the only one who's commented on that, and that says a lot, IMO.

Never been banned from "various sites". Was banned years back on purpose from one that was a fanboy/troll fest already, so yeah, I trolled that one to get banned, happily. Here, it's a different story. I partake in the appropriate threads, and you troll them into O/T.

 

Exactly. Personally, I wouldn't get a German car that's not made in Germany. Being an enthusiast is already illogical really, and part of the enthusiast experience is your car being built where it's actually from, and imported in. And M-B seem to acknowledge that, since the more expensive cars still get built in Germany and use German parts, while it's the lower segment cars that are starting to be built in the U.S, etc.

Somehow the C is built in U.S to keep costs down, but it seems to be pretty surprisingly more expensive than before, at least the one I drove (moderately equipped, over $50K.... for an American made/American parts C Class). I like my American cars built in America (not Mexico or Canada like GM), and my German cars built in Germany. It's part of the experience, IMO.

 

NOPE. THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID. You said that the C was built in the U.S. and it drives like it. I then said that where a car is built has nothing to do with the way it drives. That is the engineering aspect of the vehicle, not where it is built. Now true to form, you change your angle because your previous position was not viable. You know full well that where a car is physically put together at HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW IT DRIVES.

NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE QUALITY IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE ASSEMBLY LOCATION ----- DIFFERENT POINT. NICE CHANGE OF SUBJECT TO KEEP YOU LOOKING ANYMORE FOOLISH THAN YOU ALREADY DO.

Now building the car in the U.S. will have some affect on quality for sure, but that wasn't what was being debated. You stated how it drove, not about it's quality suffering. A "TON" no, all the plants around the world are patterned after the German plant that builds the C Class so there *shouldn't* be any wild differences in quality, i.e. a "TON" as you put it. Now what you're probably trying to say (which is sheer ignorance) is that because the C built here is going to be thinner and much cheaper than the C built in Germany, right? Prove it. Prove it with the ratio of parts in the German built car vs the parts ratio in the American built C and then show us the quality differences. NO WATCH AS YOU CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DO THIS.


You are clueless and I've proven it time and time again. You actually thought a German built car, built in German factory had 40% Chinese parts in it. That was just so dumb it is laughable. You still think that now. Nothing you've ever said is high enough to go over anyone's head as it reads like sheer ignorance.

What percentage of American parts are in the new C-Class? Do you know or are you just talking again?

Sorry, but you're just WRONG. Parts and where they come from have very little to do with how a car drives. How a car drives is laid down in the engineering phase, not by the assembly line workers. You just don't know what you're talking about, again. You wouldn't know the difference between how a American built C and a German C drives because there would be no differences in how the drove, only in the way they were assembled, if there are any real differences there.

Please tell me what parts of the American built C aren't the same as the German built C that would cause it to drive differently?

You can't because the C-Class it self backed away from trying to be a sports sedan (C300 and C400) overall, not because of some stupid nonsense about some parts making it drive more American. Really DUMB unsubstantiated argument. If you know this then prove it with the parts that are causing this.

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In response to the $50k c class. Here is where the issue lies. I'm pretty sure that price point is due to the CLA, which comes in at $29k, and this made the C class prices jump higher than they ever were...

 

Well, the CLA is $30k and the C is $40k, give or take $500...

 

K-A is one so many ignore lists that if Germancar1 would do the same, K-A could only have a conversation with himself.

 

It is nice to have your car manufactured in Germany, but G or GL's for example are well built even if outside of Germany.

 

I mean the cost difference between a 2014 C class low end and top end, excluding amg, vs 2015 C class low end and top end... I think it's quite a bit higher.

 

 

So true.

 

Germancar1 won't put me on his ignore list because if he did, he wouldn't have anyone to challenge his nostalgic nonsense about what Mercedes marketers feed him. Everyone needs a reality check, and through actions (not words), it's proven that I've provided that.

 

 

Hype, you sending me some kind of love code again?

Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to grade this one a

 

Your posts are sheer ignorance and never fact based. You try to pass off your feelings and theories as fact, everyone here sees that except you.

I don't preach about Mercedes here and criticize Mercedes when they deserve and get called a hater on these boards from time to time, but I'm not a repetitive troll like you.


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Haha. Sheer bliss being so gullible to the way you choose to see yourself, isn't it?

The "not a repetitive troll" was my favourite part.

.... second favorite was acting as if you've presented any facts to misguidedly present against my opinions (which is ridiculous on its own) and facts. I know, I know "what facts". I see you say that, but your actions speak that you acknowledge otherwise. We both know that. Otherwise you wouldn't be here.

I'm on an MB board stating why I think MB's are underwhelming these days. Of course people here will take to it a certain way.

 

When you can come up with anything factual then your posts will mean something. You have been proven to be wrong over and over and you keep posting the same thing over. I have presented sales numbers, stickers from the cars to prove that make up of their parts, I have also shown sales numbers of other cars and brands. You have not shown jack in anything you've posted here.

All you have is a bunch of misguided opinions that don't even pass common sense.

A car drives American because it is built in America. That is just plain dumb.

A German car built in a German plant has 40% Chinese parts, equally dumb.

You've got nothing.

Gullible? Really this from the same person who thought a Mercedes drove on water just 2 years ago? You're so naive and gullible that you actually bought the marketing hype (that all companies do) and you're too limited to be able to separate what is marketing from what is reality.

You talked about how bad the W212 looked and then bought one, talk about gullible.

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