Funny how you've construed everything to somehow fit your argument. Not one that you claim about me wholly accurate. I have a feeling you're studying to be an attorney but spend too much time in internet comment sections, thus mixing both together in a most queasy way.

You'll never understand the facts or arguments, because you literally don't understand them, no matter how many times I've pwnd you.

Case in point: C Class feeling more like an American car. You're not in the court room, sparky. No need to sensationalize. I clearly said that the use of dominating American parts and being built in America must explain why the C comes across as more Americanized to me. Sorry, you don't know any better otherwise.

 

Nope just a basic outline of how ridiculous your arguments are. Are these not the things you've said? Do you need me to attach the treads for you to see what you said?

Now you're going lie? You didn't say that the E-Class has 40% Chinese parts? I didn't prove you wrong by showing you an actual sticker from an E-Class? Talk about be owned, you were wholly.

You've never presented any facts to mix up? NO one this board will say that you've owned me anything and you know it. You're clueless troll that has nothing else better to do apparently.

Again, what is the parts ratio in the C-Class? Where are the facts?

Engineering makes car feel the way it does, not where it is built.

Do you really not get that?

The car feels more Americanized because they aren't aiming to be a sports sedan as their #1 priority. Not sure why this is so hard for you grasp. It is a softer car no matter where it is built as the reviews have stated with cars built in Germany and in South Africa. Let me guess the South African built C will feel South African right? Dumb as a box of rocks argument.

The way a car feels has nothing to do with where it is built or what country of origin the parts are from. This is just sheer common sense.

The C Class is built in like 4 or 5 different factories around the world, so you mean to tell me that it feels like each of those countries?

M

 

Anyways........drove the S550 Coupe today........it is absolutely amazing!

 

When it uses predominantly American parts and is built in America, sure it can. The W205 is essentially the Americanized C Class. Define "where it was designed"? Does that have to be designed by people of German descent in Germany? Can it be designed by Germans in other countries? How about non-Germans in Germany? Or does the parent company being German mean to you that it's "designed German"? Mercedes has a design studio in California that apparently is becoming more influential in their designs. Point being, in order to truly be a holistically German car, logically, it should have a high German parts content, be built in Germany, from a German manufacturer. That's my opinion, you have your opinion, end of story.

Yes, using American parts (which are cheaper for them than German parts, cheaper for a reason, just like Chinese parts are cheaper than both for a reason) and being manufactured in America can very much dictate the build, drive, feel, engineering of a car. Absolutely, 110%. Does that hold the new C back from carrying its design intention to have an outstanding interior for its class? Not at all! You need not to take things in such blatant extremes (this is why you tend to have communication problems with people on forums, not just me), things are dynamic, there's give and take, much of it underlying. People have talked about differences between different build quality coming from plants here. Sure, a good company will have everything streamlined to where variances shouldn't pop up, but they very well can, down to cultural differences in what's "good enough", how closely they can follow designed tolerances, etc. However, this time it's not only about being from a different plant, the point is that it's literally more American, i.e more American parts, built in America.

Then maybe it's no coincidence that people have been citing some uncharacteristic fit/finish issues with the C Class along with a lighter sense of solidity (which I noticed as well), or maybe it's a design issue as well. It's like when Google/Motorola started building their short-lived recent line of phones in America.... the fit/finish was terrible. I'm American, I like American products built in America, but German spec when it comes to automotive (amongst other things) is more precise.

The W205 parts content is 60% American and/or Canadian parts and 40% German parts per an owner. The W204 I believe was around 70% German parts. Say this with me slowly: "C O S T C U T T I N G". Cheaper parts will sometimes lead to cheaper results. It's no coincidence that expensive M-B's are maintaining their higher German parts content. Those parts often cost more for a reason.

But hey, again, neither of us know this definitively. I have my views that I've concluded based on various things, and you have yours.

As for the E Class. Put down the victory flag, chief. You didn't prove a thing. I said that MY E Classes had a higher content of Chinese and American/Canadian parts than comparable cars (something like 55% German, and the rest between Chinese and American/etc). Again, Show me proof that the 2010/2011 E's didn't have what I stated, and I'll give you that one. ONE.

 

When you have to worry is when it was designed here and built in Germany. lol!

 

 

Best."Body".Kit.Ever!

 

Saw my first S550 coupe in the metal. It was creeping around my neighborhood early Saturday morning, had a dealer plate on it. It's gorgeous. If it wouldn't be so redundant to have the coupe and sedan I'd definitely order one.

 

Ok, that's awesome! I may need that.

 

Wrong. The car is softer than before because of a change in direction for the model, not where it is built. You'd have to be completely ignorant of anything automotive to actually believe that a car drives a certain way because of where the parts come from. Think about what you're saying and how many cars are built all around the globe. The C-Class is a German car, designed and engineered in Germany, not the U.S. It can be built anywhere. The assembly line workers only put the car together and the parts can come from anywhere. This ridiculous theory about it driving American because it is built in America shows how limited you really are. Parts origin and the assembly location HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY A CAR DRIVES!!!

To suggest such a thing is totally idiotic.


Designed in Germany at Mercedes-Benz. What part of this don't you get? Seriously, you can't be lost here?

That is for styling, not the design of total cars. They also have design studio in Tokyo.


Sorry, but this is just a feeling or opinion. Again where is the sticker that shows what the part content is for the C-Class? Again, do you even know or are you just making up things again? You don't even know what the part content is and you're convinced of something. Naive and gullible.


Prove it. Lets see the part content and what those parts are the contribute to how the car drives. Sorry man but you're just lost if you think that parts origin dictate how a car drives. Suspension tuning, engine tuning, transmission tuning and all those things are engineering functions, not assembly line or parts functions, that determine how a car drives.

Again so what about the C-Classes built in Germany, South Africa, Beijing, and Malaysia? Do you think each one of those drive different because of where they're built?

You need to wake up and realize that a part from anywhere around the world doesn't have anything to do with how a car drives. Shock absorbers, springs, seats, dashboards, glass, electronics can be sourced from anywhere and their specification doesn't change for what Mercedes wants them for and how they are put into the vehicle. The C-Class has spring rates of XXX that doesn't change based on where the springs or dampers come from!!!! This is the stupidest thing ever. A steering rack is a steering rack, it is tuned the same way from whomever it comes from, it is tuned to MB specifications no matter where it comes from. Don't you get that?

Parts origin and assembly location do not dictate how a car drives.

Don't believe me, ask anyone.

Parts origin and assembly location might affect build quality of fit and finish if the standards/specs aren't kept in line between different plants, but not how the car drives.



Which doesn't have squat to do with how the car actually drives. What you're talking about is a quality control issue, not how the car drives.

This could be so, and I believe it. New car, new assembly location, of course there will be lapses, but again, this has nothing to do with how the car actually drives. Springs, dampers, engines, transmissions, etc are hard points that don't vary at assembly locations, these things are tuned for MB specs no matter where they come from or who builds them.


Use common sense man, the parts ratio changed because of where the car is built. What would be the point of shipping over mostly German parts to build a car in the U.S.? Say this with me slowly "you don't know what you're talking about". Sure they cut cost on assembly that is the whole point of moving it to the U.S. DUH..........! This still has nothing to do with how the car drives.

Really what would that reason be? Tell me the engineering reasons for this? Meanwhile head down to the MB dealer and look at GL550 or GL63 AMG, both in, around and over 100K depending on options and built right here in America. Blows that misguided theory about more expensive MB's keeping more German points right out the water.



I know where a car is built doesn't dictate how it drives.


Nope. I proved you as wrong as can be on that one. You actually thought (and still think) that a German built car in a German plant has 40% Chinese parts?!!?!?!?

Even more absurd is that you actually think that MB changes the parts content from one model year to the next to take out the 40% Chinese parts from before!!!!!??!?!? LOL. Wow man are you lost. Common sense should tell you that a company like MB wouldn't produce a car in a German plant with 40% Chinese parts.

Then you say the 2014 E drives the same was as before, so I guess changing from 40% Chinese parts (per you) to the more than 70% German parts (per the sticker I showed) didn't make a difference??????? Yet you think the C drives American because of its American parts content? Which is it? Do the parts make a difference in how a car drives or not?

How can it be that the 2014 E-Class with it's over 70% German parts content drives as poorly as the pre-FL E-Class with it's 40% Chinese parts? According to you parts origin make the difference in how the car drives right? Shouldn't the 2014 E-Class be a revelation to drive because most of its parts are sourced from the Fatherland???

CAN YOU SAY CLUELESS AND HYPOCRITICAL?


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Haha, at this point it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself with these delusional tirades. What surprises me most is how little you know about cars and production, and how much your basis' of judgment are from your favorite brands marketing dept (a car with cost cutting predominantly American parts content, made in America, isn't more "Americanized" by definition.... LOL), especially after spending so much time on forums. At this point there's too much repetitive "wrong" in your posts to pick apart, and doing so continuously proves to be like trying to feed that skeleton on the front of Hype's car, which makes it pointless and redundant. Enjoy the walled garden.

 

Aaaamen.....!!!!

 

SWEET! All I've been hearing about is how ugly this car is, smh, I tried to tell them that this car would be a problem!!!! SEXY BEAST!

 

Where did you hear this car is ugly except for K-A? All reviews I have come across have raved the coupe for looks.

 

Drove one today. It's stunning.

 

I'm obviously not the only one. I've seen plenty of negative statements about its look (in this very thread as well). Like it or not, it's a pretty polarizing design, I think by intention.

 

Also drove one yesterday, my wife drove it too.
She is not easily impressed a snob like no one else, respects Conti Speed and Wraith only.
She was impressed as much as I was (immensely) , in both our opinions the best designed and driving luxury coupe on the market today.
MB hit a jackpot with that car, some haters here are just that, haters whose opinions are really irrelevant.
Btw, it was just a "lowly" S550 and I was still blown away....

 

Nope, this means you're done. You have nothing and you know it. You can't post any facts or anything just a bunch of dumb unsubstantiated beliefs. If Mercedes meant that much to me (as to be in denial) I would have bought one in 2012 when I spent some big money on a car.

M

 

The car is a winner despite a few people who don't like the look. Unless one is buying it really doesn't matter what they think of how it looks anyway.

M

 

ok so finally got lucky to sit in one today at the dealer ( no test drive ) and have to say whoever thinks that this car is not a looker, need to get their eyes checked, as far as I am concerned this thread is now irrelevant since nothing can change my opinion after seeing one in metal. is an astonishing car, inside and out

 

False. You're a rambling fanboy who hasn't even had an M-B newer than a well over a decade old, who shares a complex in defending the brand, clearly trying over and over to convince yourself of the same magic the brand brought to your childhood, yet your own brain won't even allow you to buy one yourself. I wonder why that is?

Truth be told, you can get hysterical on forums about how amazing this corporation is to you, but I'm the one who gets thanked when I call MB Financial for paying 3 accounts with them. So between both of us, my opinion actually does matter to M-B, and I get solicitations from the various dealers I dealt with to come back. Believe me, your defending their honor on a forum means very little to them. And judging by how every thread I partake in gets the most hits, obviously I'm, A: Onto something. B: Have an opinion people take seriously enough. Sorry.

 

I agree with this. I drove one last week, and it is a luxocrusier for sure..pretty quick off the line also, and very quiet. Seriously considering getting one.

 

I concur. Saw it today. The losers that can't afford one anyway don't matter.

 

Like I said before you have nothing. You're a delusional former owner who is really hell bent on being a troll.

Your opinion don't mean squat to me or anyone else here because it isn't fact based.

Nothing we've talked about here outside of how an E-Class drives needs ownership to verify.

Anyone who thinks that a German made car in a German plant has 40% Chinese parts is just plain lost and clueless.

Anyone who thinks that the C-Class drives American because of where it is built is even more lost.

NOPE. Wrong again, if any of that were true I would have a new Mercedes, but I don't I chose a BMW 650i when it was time to buy. That eradicates any BS about me thinking MB can do no wrong or make no mistakes.

Who gives a damn what you've paid to MB Financial? Is that a joke? That has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.

Likewise do you think that your constant ranting against Mercedes-Benz matters to them? MB couldn't care less about the rantings of a clueless former owner when they're selling cars at an all time high.

The only reason any thread you're in gets hits is because people are comments on how stupid your posts are and you're too oblivious to see just how loathed your posts are. You're the #1 person on most ignore list here for a reason. You're so lost it isn't even funny.

M

 

Lol ^^. The level of butthurt amongst some of the M-B faithful when someone doesn't like their favorite toy is downright entertaining. It's like a select group of you put so much faith into the brand that calling into question especially its top of the line models turns your world upside down. Complete mind explosion. Like a religion unto itself.

"The losers that can't afford one". Classy.