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I have friends and neighbors with Tesla's....Model S and Model 3. The standard 110V home charge port that comes with the car will charge at a rate of 5 miles range per hour. At that rate, it takes 52 hours to add 300 miles of range. If you set your home up to use a 240 volt wall connector, you get 31 miles per hour of charging, so roughly 9.5 hours to add 300 miles of range.
No one charges a car at 110V. And yes, on a standard 240 plug you charge in 10 hours, that's what I said. I'm not sure how you went from saying it will only charge to 50% in 8 hours to fully charged in 9.5. If you step up to a higher output charger (which is common) you drop that to 6-9 hours depending on model and charger.
US auto sales were down around 15% last year (likely thanks to the COVID scam). Tesla sales were up 50% from the previous year due to catching up in production capacity and new models brought to market. Yet they still only made up 1.99% of all US Auto sales. Through March, 2021, their market share has dropped to 1.66% of market share. MB US market share in 2020 was 2.21%, but YTD they are 2.27%. So yes, your thesis is decaying.
I don't think it is wise to try and make the argument that Tesla is falling out of favor or something. Tesla does not break out US auto sales quarterly so everything is working on guesses. But let's look globally where they are accurate. MB had a good first quarter with sales up 22% to 581,270 total sales. Tesla on the other hand shattered 1st quarter sales with a YOY growth of 109% to 184,800 total sales. And that was with half of their model lines down (Model S and X plants are shut down as they prep for new models). My thesis grows stronger...
I don't think it is wise to try and make the argument that Tesla is falling out of favor or something. Tesla does not break out US auto sales quarterly so everything is working on guesses. But let's look globally where they are accurate. MB had a good first quarter with sales up 22% to 581,270 total sales. Tesla on the other hand shattered 1st quarter sales with a YOY growth of 109% to 184,800 total sales. And that was with half of their model lines down (Model S and X plants are shut down as they prep for new models). My thesis grows stronger...
Who said Tesla is falling out of favor with anybody? I only said that their US market share isn't growing by leaps and bounds and that they aren't stealing a bunch of market share away from MB....because the facts don't bear that out.
Tesla is growing most in the Chinese market where even a Tesla is going to look like fantastic build quality compared to the garbage cars that the Chinese build. But when you think about it, China has a population about 5X the size of the US. So if you take that into account, the Tesla market share in China has to be pretty darn small too.
No doubt the electric car market is growing. But Americans will be slow to give up their gas powered cars since normal long distance travel is severely hampered by the limitations of electric cars. There is no way that the US could be all electric as the leftists say they will in the next 14 years as it's impossible to do that without a major reduction in the number of cars on the road.
What I laugh most about regarding electric cars is that the power to charge them comes directly from the use of fossil fuels. Green energy (wind and solar) is far from efficient and doesn't produce anywhere near the amount of energy that you get from oil and natural gas. This green new deal crap is a globalist power grab to steal our freedoms and autonomy.
Who said Tesla is falling out of favor with anybody? I only said that their US market share isn't growing by leaps and bounds and that they aren't stealing a bunch of market share away from MB....because the facts don't bear that out.
Tesla is growing most in the Chinese market where even a Tesla is going to look like fantastic build quality compared to the garbage cars that the Chinese build. But when you think about it, China has a population about 5X the size of the US. So if you take that into account, the Tesla market share in China has to be pretty darn small too.
No doubt the electric car market is growing. But Americans will be slow to give up their gas powered cars since normal long distance travel is severely hampered by the limitations of electric cars. There is no way that the US could be all electric as the leftists say they will in the next 14 years as it's impossible to do that without a major reduction in the number of cars on the road.
What I laugh most about regarding electric cars is that the power to charge them comes directly from the use of fossil fuels. Green energy (wind and solar) is far from efficient and doesn't produce anywhere near the amount of energy that you get from oil and natural gas. This green new deal crap is a globalist power grab to steal our freedoms and autonomy.
I think the long distance argument is way overblown. The average family probably would run out of range in a Tesla once or twice a year at best necessitating a stop to charge. I haven't driven more than 150 miles one way in probably 4-5 years. More likely I could see families gravitate towards an EV for one vehicle and a gas or hybrid SUV for trips/utility etc. But I do look forward to electric cars taking over the luxury segment. Electric propulsion is far and away more refined than gas no matter how you slice it. They are ridiculously smooth and quiet, exactly what luxury is. And when you want power they have giddy amounts.
And I agree at the dumb argument that somehow mining lithium and all these other metals and chemicals and then charging with grid power is somehow good for the environment. But it isn't quite as bad as some make it. We each drive our own power plant which is incredibly inefficient. A central power plant running efficiently uses far less fossil fuels to charge an EV and drive X miles than an equivalent gas powered car and all of its operating losses.
I think the long distance argument is way overblown. The average family probably would run out of range in a Tesla once or twice a year at best necessitating a stop to charge. I haven't driven more than 150 miles one way in probably 4-5 years. More likely I could see families gravitate towards an EV for one vehicle and a gas or hybrid SUV for trips/utility etc. But I do look forward to electric cars taking over the luxury segment. Electric propulsion is far and away more refined than gas no matter how you slice it. They are ridiculously smooth and quiet, exactly what luxury is. And when you want power they have giddy amounts.
And I agree at the dumb argument that somehow mining lithium and all these other metals and chemicals and then charging with grid power is somehow good for the environment. But it isn't quite as bad as some make it. We each drive our own power plant which is incredibly inefficient. A central power plant running efficiently uses far less fossil fuels to charge an EV and drive X miles than an equivalent gas powered car and all of its operating losses.
There you go again presenting facts. When will it ever end?
I think the long distance argument is way overblown. The average family probably would run out of range in a Tesla once or twice a year at best necessitating a stop to charge. I haven't driven more than 150 miles one way in probably 4-5 years. More likely I could see families gravitate towards an EV for one vehicle and a gas or hybrid SUV for trips/utility etc. But I do look forward to electric cars taking over the luxury segment. Electric propulsion is far and away more refined than gas no matter how you slice it. They are ridiculously smooth and quiet, exactly what luxury is. And when you want power they have giddy amounts.
And I agree at the dumb argument that somehow mining lithium and all these other metals and chemicals and then charging with grid power is somehow good for the environment. But it isn't quite as bad as some make it. We each drive our own power plant which is incredibly inefficient. A central power plant running efficiently uses far less fossil fuels to charge an EV and drive X miles than an equivalent gas powered car and all of its operating losses.
I disagree with the traveling distances you mentioned. With these ridiculous unconstitutional COVID passports being proposed, they are going to necessitate that the large chunk of the population who refuse to be stabbed with poison are going to have to drive more instead of flying to get anywhere. And with this ridiculous green initiative and being all electric by 2035, how are families going to travel in gas powered cars to go further? I drove 430 miles each way to pick up my S-550 and trade in my GL550....and did the trip in less than 14 hours including about 3 hours at the dealership. That would have been impossible in a Tesla.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that my S550 is much more quiet on the highway than any current Tesla model. Those cars just aren't built to anywhere near the same standard as an S-class and wind and tire noise easily penetrate the cabins of those cars. And they are far from being smooth driving. In fact, they are probably some of the least smooth driving cars on the road. They are herky-jerky with the go pedal and are extremely difficult to drive smoothly. I feel nauseous in them, so I just don't get in them any more.
The saddest thing about energy is that the cleanest and most abundantly useful source is going away....nuclear power. If these so-called environmentalists really cared about clean energy, they'd be pushing for nuclear power plants to be built everywhere.
There you go again presenting facts. When will it ever end?
I'm sorry, I let my reasoned, articulate and thoughtful mind get in the way. Let me try harder- Our current administration is the most transparent we have seen in recent years and our president is far more energetic than any in recent memory.
Originally Posted by DaveW68
I disagree with the traveling distances you mentioned. With these ridiculous unconstitutional COVID passports being proposed, they are going to necessitate that the large chunk of the population who refuse to be stabbed with poison are going to have to drive more instead of flying to get anywhere. And with this ridiculous green initiative and being all electric by 2035, how are families going to travel in gas powered cars to go further? I drove 430 miles each way to pick up my S-550 and trade in my GL550....and did the trip in less than 14 hours including about 3 hours at the dealership. That would have been impossible in a Tesla.
Do you buy a new vehicle a few times a year? Seems your example is a once and a while kinda thing.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that my S550 is much more quiet on the highway than any current Tesla model. Those cars just aren't built to anywhere near the same standard as an S-class and wind and tire noise easily penetrate the cabins of those cars. And they are far from being smooth driving. In fact, they are probably some of the least smooth driving cars on the road. They are herky-jerky with the go pedal and are extremely difficult to drive smoothly. I feel nauseous in them, so I just don't get in them any more.
I never said Teslas were refined, they certainly aren't. That's one main reason I don't own one. I said EV powertrain. That's undeniably better from every luxury measure (except of course range). An S class with an EV powertrain would just be that much better.
The saddest thing about energy is that the cleanest and most abundantly useful source is going away....nuclear power. If these so-called environmentalists really cared about clean energy, they'd be pushing for nuclear power plants to be built everywhere.
Agreed. But then again our political parties (one especially) seem to take hypocrisy as a core value.
I'm sorry, I let my reasoned, articulate and thoughtful mind get in the way. Let me try harder- Our current administration is the most transparent we have seen in recent years and our president is far more energetic than any in recent memory.
Do you buy a new vehicle a few times a year? Seems your example is a once and a while kinda thing.
I never said Teslas were refined, they certainly aren't. That's one main reason I don't own one. I said EV powertrain. That's undeniably better from every luxury measure (except of course range). An S class with an EV powertrain would just be that much better.
Agreed. But then again our political parties (one especially) seem to take hypocrisy as a core value.
I admit it....that first comment was quite amusing and I laughed. Well done!
Second comment....no, it's pretty rare for me to personally travel over 800 miles in a day. But we do travel well over 150 miles each way at least a couple of times a month with one kid and his family in Northern WI and a daughter in Central IL. Then I have another daughter and her family who live close by for now, but will be moving to central IL soon. They are nuts and fly down to Disney about 3 times per year for vacation. But they won't be getting the poison shots, so it will be likely that they are gonna have to do the drive for their vacations if this COVID passport bullsh*t gets enacted. No electric vehicle would make that trip each way in any reasonable amount of time, even if you could somehow plan it perfectly with scheduled re-charging stops.
Third comment....you said "Electric propulsion is far and away more refined than gas no matter how you slice it. They are ridiculously smooth and quiet, exactly what luxury is." Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant?
When all is said and done, I'm just not gonna put 18" Honda clone wheels with high profile rubber on my S550. I find them ugly and a bit repulsive, even if they provide a 2% smoother ride. Oh look....squirrel!!
Second comment....no, it's pretty rare for me to personally travel over 800 miles in a day. But we do travel well over 150 miles each way at least a couple of times a month with one kid and his family in Northern WI and a daughter in Central IL. Then I have another daughter and her family who live close by for now, but will be moving to central IL soon. They are nuts and fly down to Disney about 3 times per year for vacation. But they won't be getting the poison shots, so it will be likely that they are gonna have to do the drive for their vacations if this COVID passport bullsh*t gets enacted. No electric vehicle would make that trip each way in any reasonable amount of time, even if you could somehow plan it perfectly with scheduled re-charging stops.
We have a lake house that's 120 miles away and we go there roughly twice a month so I know what you mean for distances. But even then with today's electric vehicles we could make that round trip or worst case charge at the house. There are 2 main points here though- 1- I did lay out how many households will start to gravitate towards EV for local and a GV for distance/ utility. 2- More importantly though is you are thinking of 2035 in todays terms. Tech has moved at a blistering pace over the last 15 years. 15 years ago the hottest phone was the Razr and 300hp was great. Even just a few years ago EVs had 250 mile ranges and took forever to charge. Now they have (or will shortly) 4-500mile ranges and faster charging. Plus new tech is coming soon. In 15 years we will probably be at the point of 5-600 mile ranges and 3-5min fill ups. The problem will be where all that power comes from to charge.
Third comment....you said "Electric propulsion is far and away more refined than gas no matter how you slice it. They are ridiculously smooth and quiet, exactly what luxury is." Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant?
Not sure- I said the electric architecture is best suited for a luxury vehicle since it's very smooth and quiet. You said how unrefined Teslas were and I agree, but not in how they drive but how they are built and their luxury aspects. I drove a hybrid 7 series for a while that could drive in electric mode for roughly 15-20 miles. It was sublime and seamless (except for when the gas engine came on and the noise level and NVH went up). Teslas drive great but they aren't luxurious but I do want to see what the new Model S looks like. Not sure why the T's you drove were so bad, that is not characteristic of every review and experience I have read or had with them.
When all is said and done, I'm just not gonna put 18" Honda clone wheels with high profile rubber on my S550. I find them ugly and a bit repulsive, even if they provide a 2% smoother ride.
No clue what you meant there.
Oh look....squirrel!!
And especially there...
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Aren't you one of the members of the 18" wheel club? Or maybe it's just my ADD.....or PTSD....or LMNOP.... aw hell...I don't know. Tesla's aren't part of the "luxury experience" that was the original subject of this thread.
My Mercedes dealer does the exact same texted narrated video and I was very impressed with their staff, all seemed to be car guys too.
Really depends on the ownership of the dealer.
Trying to keep this thread on track- My service dealer has been horrible. I feel that because my CPO wasn't theirs, they don't care. It's been nothing but a headache. You get a video? I get estimated bills of $7000.00. Stealership!
Aren't you one of the members of the 18" wheel club? Or maybe it's just my ADD.....or PTSD....or LMNOP.... aw hell...I don't know. Tesla's aren't part of the "luxury experience" that was the original subject of this thread.
No, I have 19's on my S and SL. I find they are the best mix of looks and comfort. 20's on NY roads are bent/bubble city and they ride a little too firm for me. My Nav does suffer from the 22's that all Navs/Escalades use now a days. You get a certain shudder that just isn't there with 20's. But we are way off topic...
I agree. I have a problem with my 2019 S class. The dealer is a week out on sceduling service and no loaner available . They are all spoken for untill next thursday. Nice.
I agree. I have a problem with my 2019 S class. The dealer is a week out on sceduling service and no loaner available . They are all spoken for untill next thursday. Nice.
Well, what can you do about a full schedule? Not much, call a few times to see if there has been a cancellation? I wouldn't consider a full schedule to be poor service......no loaner? YES.
I would use more recent data. Tesla sold 292,902 vehicles in the US for 2020 and Mercedes sold 325,915. So the thesis starts to decay....[/QUOTE
Mostly directed at Davew68...how many of those MB sales numbers were sh*tbox A,CLA,GLB,GLA cars? A lot! How many of those sold were loaner cars used to pad their sales? A LOT!
I would use more recent data. Tesla sold 292,902 vehicles in the US for 2020 and Mercedes sold 325,915. So the thesis starts to decay....[/QUOTE
Mostly directed at Davew68...how many of those MB sales numbers were sh*tbox A,CLA,GLB,GLA cars? A lot! How many of those sold were loaner cars used to pad their sales? A LOT!
Mostly directed at Davew68...how many of those MB sales numbers were sh*tbox A,CLA,GLB,GLA cars? A lot! How many of those sold were loaner cars used to pad their sales? A LOT!
I'm sure the majority of US MB sales are small to mid-size SUV's and small to mid-size cars. Not sure what your point is and why it was directed at me.
MB, just like all car makes will sell their loaner cars. They don't just give them to charity.
I'm sure the majority of US MB sales are small to mid-size SUV's and small to mid-size cars. Not sure what your point is and why it was directed at me.
MB, just like all car makes will sell their loaner cars. They don't just give them to charity.
Just to be clear, that was not my quote.- looks like it was fixed
In 2019, Tesla sold 195,125 cars in the US. MB sold 352,734.
So much for your argument about affluent buyers flocking to Tesla over MB.
This is why I directed it to you....Your argument and your numbers are flawed. Tesla doesn't have sh*tbox cars to sell like MB does. MB sold more "cars" than Tesla, but many are cheap sh*tboxes. Your total sales comparison is flawed.You'd have to compare MB luxury sales (S,GL, etc) numbers to Tesla, not total units.
About the loaners, you're not understanding my point. MB "sells" loaners to the dealership, as often as 4 times a year, this "pads" their sales numbers. They are then re-sold as used CPO vehicles to consumers- which is where you are getting confused. ...Tesla dealerships have loaners also, but not near the quantity of MB dealer loaners.
This is why I directed it to you....Your argument and your numbers are flawed. Tesla doesn't have sh*tbox cars to sell like MB does. MB sold more "cars" than Tesla, but many are cheap sh*tboxes. Your total sales comparison is flawed.You'd have to compare MB luxury sales (S,GL, etc) numbers to Tesla, not total units.
About the loaners, you're not understanding my point. MB "sells" loaners to the dealership, as often as 4 times a year, this "pads" their sales numbers. They are then re-sold as used CPO vehicles to consumers- which is where you are getting confused. ...Tesla dealerships have loaners also, but not near the quantity of MB dealer loaners.
Are we supposed to take you seriously? Or are you just joking here? This is like trying to watch anything on CNN.
This is why I directed it to you....Your argument and your numbers are flawed. Tesla doesn't have sh*tbox cars to sell like MB does. MB sold more "cars" than Tesla, but many are cheap sh*tboxes. Your total sales comparison is flawed.You'd have to compare MB luxury sales (S,GL, etc) numbers to Tesla, not total units.
About the loaners, you're not understanding my point. MB "sells" loaners to the dealership, as often as 4 times a year, this "pads" their sales numbers. They are then re-sold as used CPO vehicles to consumers- which is where you are getting confused. ...Tesla dealerships have loaners also, but not near the quantity of MB dealer loaners.
I would think that you would need to include the C Class as that is the most direct competitor with the M3. I guess that would be your etc correct?
Are we supposed to take you seriously? Or are you just joking here? This is like trying to watch anything on CNN.
If the orange wizard said it, then it's gospel, right? I bet you believed the Kraken was about to be released too lmao.....You're easy to figure out. Is it the simple math, statistics, or reality you're having trouble with? Here is a visual aid that speaks your language boomer.
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If the orange wizard said it, then it's gospel, right? I bet you believed the Kraken was about to be released too lmao.....You're easy to figure out. Is it the simple math, statistics, or reality you're having trouble with? Here is a visual aid that speaks your language boomer.
Just because you're having trouble putting together a coherent thought doesn't mean that you need to be a d-bag.
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