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lug nuts replacement
Some of my lug nuts of my wheels are stripped and hard to remove. I would like to order a replacement but not through the dealer. Can anyone please suggest few Amazon links (only amazon please because I need them to arrive tomorrow or after), to replace the OEM lug nits for W222 2015 AMG 20" rims? I just want to me sure I don't order something randomly, and need your advise, preferably from Amazon.
Also, it does not need to be that Weird Mercedes head bolt shape, any high quality standard lug nuts would work as long as it fits the hub (all shops around keep complaining about these weird lug nuts). Again, no preference to any design, just need a recommendation for a good option on Amazon.
the reason I have a tight timeline and need them ordered and delivered no later than tomorrow EOD, is because I hired a company that came to my garage, removed the wheels, and will take them to recondition them (demand cut machine) and they will bring the wheel back tomorrow end of the day and install them while car is still in my garage (I need new lug nuts before they arrive because I saw that some of those they removed are not in perfect condition, so I need a temporarily solution before wheels come back, or maybe permanent if there are good options). I was told several times that the OEM ones have an aluminum cap and was told to ask around for recommendations on any non-OEM ones that can be better than the Mercedes ones for ease of removal in the future.
Also, it does not need to be that Weird Mercedes head bolt shape, any high quality standard lug nuts would work as long as it fits the hub (all shops around keep complaining about these weird lug nuts). Again, no preference to any design, just need a recommendation for a good option on Amazon.
the reason I have a tight timeline and need them ordered and delivered no later than tomorrow EOD, is because I hired a company that came to my garage, removed the wheels, and will take them to recondition them (demand cut machine) and they will bring the wheel back tomorrow end of the day and install them while car is still in my garage (I need new lug nuts before they arrive because I saw that some of those they removed are not in perfect condition, so I need a temporarily solution before wheels come back, or maybe permanent if there are good options). I was told several times that the OEM ones have an aluminum cap and was told to ask around for recommendations on any non-OEM ones that can be better than the Mercedes ones for ease of removal in the future.
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What kind of silly comment is this? It's easier for me to search amazon than sending a question here, and I already did, but the only reason I asked the question here is to see if others have already tried certain brand or have a (Recommendation). It is called a Forum to share experiences and ask for an advise, I don't understand the way you think by making such silly comment, you gotta respect my decision of asking here even though it seems like a simply question to you.. if you don't want to share you advise or recommendation, then don't respond to my post!!
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What kind of silly comment is this? It's easier for me to search amazon than sending a question here, and I already did, but the only reason I asked the question here is to see if others have already tried certain brand or have a (Recommendation). It is called a Forum to share experiences and ask for an advise, I don't understand the way you think by making such silly comment, you gotta respect my decision of asking here even though it seems like a simply question to you.. if you don't want to share you advise or recommendation, then don't respond to my post!!
Personally, I'd only go with bolts made from forged steel. If you find any of those in your Amazon search, then go with them. Otherwise, go to your local dealer and get OEM. At least at the dealer you'd be getting the correct size and bolts that were made in Germany.
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Good luck find quality lugs on Amazon... I bought replacement lugs from OTIS Inc LA, they sell direct and on eBay. They carry the OE flower-head lugs, which appear to be genuine MB or at least from same supplier as both have star emblem stamped into thread end. The set is only ~$70 which is a fraction of MB and I bought them for both are W212s whose traditional 6-pt hex lugs had become very rusty.
OTIS carries a wide varity of lugs/nuts... that's all they do and they source from Germany and Italy.
OTIS carries a wide varity of lugs/nuts... that's all they do and they source from Germany and Italy.
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Hey buddy....you are the one who put on a firm timeline with Amazon only and are looking to save money over dealer prices. You can be fairly certain that any cheaper lug bolts you get from Amazon will be made in China, which won't be of the best quality.
Personally, I'd only go with bolts made from forged steel. If you find any of those in your Amazon search, then go with them. Otherwise, go to your local dealer and get OEM. At least at the dealer you'd be getting the correct size and bolts that were made in Germany.
Personally, I'd only go with bolts made from forged steel. If you find any of those in your Amazon search, then go with them. Otherwise, go to your local dealer and get OEM. At least at the dealer you'd be getting the correct size and bolts that were made in Germany.
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Good luck find quality lugs on Amazon... I bought replacement lugs from OTIS Inc LA, they sell direct and on eBay. They carry the OE flower-head lugs, which appear to be genuine MB or at least from same supplier as both have star emblem stamped into thread end. The set is only ~$70 which is a fraction of MB and I bought them for both are W212s whose traditional 6-pt hex lugs had become very rusty.
OTIS carries a wide varity of lugs/nuts... that's all they do and they source from Germany and Italy.
OTIS carries a wide varity of lugs/nuts... that's all they do and they source from Germany and Italy.
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Unless you don't know how to replace the lugs yourself.... you can alway do them at a later date. I get Amazon is fast and convenient. Another brand, I've heard, but not personally used is Gorilla Automotive.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I have nearly zero hands-on skill, but certainly can remove the lugs myself, but again I have 2 of them already stripped and the technician himself took more than 10-min nocking them with a hammer so he could fit his tool (even though he said he is using the right size and special Mercedes 17MM socket). .... So I don't want him to re-install them never again... Hopping to get another set of lugs ordered, but that's not possible, I'll live with it and keep it garaged until I can visit the dealer via another car and install lugs myself later next week. I was hopping to take the W222 for a trip this weekend with the new reconditioned wheels on it, seems like i have to pass on it unless others would send me some suggestions for anything that may arrive by Friday at least.
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Don't be silly and make assumptions like (looking to save money). I own cars that worth nearly a million dollar in my garage and would never look to saving money on things like lug bolts on my cars. For your info, the reason I have a tight timeline and need them ordered and delivered no later than tomorrow EOD, is because I hired a company that came to my garage, removed the wheels, and will take them to recondition them (demand cut machine) and they will bring the wheel back tomorrow end of the day and install them while car is still in my garage (I need new lug nuts before they arrive because I saw that some of those they removed are not in perfect condition). I was told several times that the OEM ones have an aluminum cap and was told to ask around for recommendations on any non-OEM ones that can be better than the Mercedes ones for ease of removal in the future. The closest dealer to me is 1.5 hrs driving distance and I don't have the time to drive back and forth today or tomorrow (no need to make your own silly assumptions, sayign that I am trying to save money, bla bla bla... you think someone driving S-class would try to save couple dollars on Lug bolts !!!! maybe the way you think but not others).
Thanks for the suggestion. I have nearly zero hands-on skill, but certainly can remove the lugs myself, but again I have 2 of them already stripped and the technician himself took more than 10-min nocking them with a hammer so he could fit his tool (even though he said he is using the right size and special Mercedes 17MM socket). .... So I don't want him to re-install them never again... Hopping to get another set of lugs ordered, but that's not possible, I'll live with it and keep it garaged until I can visit the dealer via another car and install lugs myself later next week. I was hopping to take the W222 for a trip this weekend with the new reconditioned wheels on it, seems like i have to pass on it unless others would send me some suggestions for anything that may arrive by Friday at least.
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The level of snobbery on this board recently is becoming difficult to watch. Good for you and your nearly $1M car collection! You were the one who put down a definitive timeline and said they had to come from Amazon without explaining why until you modified your original post after the fact. Perhaps if you were more clear from the get-go, I would have responded differently to you.
It doesn't take a special Mercedes socket to get those bolts off. Just a regular old 17 MM that is narrow enough to fit into the wheel bolt hole will do just fine. Those stupid flower caps get moisture under them and begin to swell after a few years, especially if you drive in a climate that has snow and uses road salt in the winter. My old Chrysler SRT8 had the identical bolts, as did my GL550. Both times, I replaced them with after-market forged bolts that had a regular hex head without that stupid cap.
It doesn't take a special Mercedes socket to get those bolts off. Just a regular old 17 MM that is narrow enough to fit into the wheel bolt hole will do just fine. Those stupid flower caps get moisture under them and begin to swell after a few years, especially if you drive in a climate that has snow and uses road salt in the winter. My old Chrysler SRT8 had the identical bolts, as did my GL550. Both times, I replaced them with after-market forged bolts that had a regular hex head without that stupid cap.
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I do not need to say exactly why I am looking for a solution for a day or 2, I only needed to ask for an advise and I specified that I need an advise for a solution within a timeframe of 1-2 days (no need for me to include all the personal reasons of why i have tight timeline! that was only for u when you started making silly assumptions that am trying to save money (u don't need to even make a claim of what my intentions are! I ask that you don't provide any advise to me since you seem to have a snobbery attitude...)
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BTW, make sure the guy putting on your wheels know to torque them down to 110 lb/ft with a torque wrench. When I purchased my car, some moron tech at the BMW dealer where I purchased the car from torqued the bolts down with an impact gun without using a torque bar. Those things were on so tight that the only way to get the wheels off was by drilling out the bolts, which as very labor intensive. $1200 later with a new set lug bolts and wheel locks, the wheels were freed from the car. Fortunately the dealer I purchased the car from reimbursed me that cost.
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BTW, make sure the guy putting on your wheels know to torque them down to 110 lb/ft with a torque wrench. When I purchased my car, some moron tech at the BMW dealer where I purchased the car from torqued the bolts down with an impact gun without using a torque bar. Those things were on so tight that the only way to get the wheels off was by drilling out the bolts, which as very labor intensive. $1200 later with a new set lug bolts and wheel locks, the wheels were freed from the car. Fortunately the dealer I purchased the car from reimbursed me that cost.
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I found this thread extremely helpful. The OEM lug nuts on my S are horrible... between constantly losing the aluminum caps & the laborious task of removing them I've been searching for new bolts.
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The tool/socket below is a must have for everyone. The reason why almost ALL nuts get stripped out anytime you go to a shop outside dealer or if you remove the wheels yourself, is that any standard 17MM tool will strip or slowly cut the Benz nuts.... they have a weird shape and this piece/socket in the link below has a PERFECT mirror shape of the benz lug nuts and fits perfectly. A standard 17MM tool over time will destroy the nuts and that's what happened to mine every time i needed to fix a flat tire or get some work done if am traveling or not near the dealer..... I will keep this tool/socket in my car and will always hand it to the mechanic to use. Unfortunately some of my wheels lug nuts are already destroyed because of using a standard 17mm wrench, but I found in my trunk 4 new EXTRA lug nuts in a small OEM box where the key for the lug nut is also located... I need around 6 lug nuts so I still need 2 more and will get them ordered through the dealer later (I was not able to find some on Amazon or third party website that can ship it via next day delivery or 2-days delivery, all options online were not convincing).
The tool/socket below is a must have for everyone. The reason why almost ALL nuts get stripped out anytime you go to a shop outside dealer or if you remove the wheels yourself, is that any standard 17MM tool will strip or slowly cut the Benz nuts.... they have a weird shape and this piece/socket in the link below has a PERFECT mirror shape of the benz lug nuts and fits perfectly. A standard 17MM tool over time will destroy the nuts and that's what happened to mine every time i needed to fix a flat tire or get some work done if am traveling or not near the dealer..... I will keep this tool/socket in my car and will always hand it to the mechanic to use. Unfortunately some of my wheels lug nuts are already destroyed because of using a standard 17mm wrench, but I found in my trunk 4 new EXTRA lug nuts in a small OEM box where the key for the lug nut is also located... I need around 6 lug nuts so I still need 2 more and will get them ordered through the dealer later (I was not able to find some on Amazon or third party website that can ship it via next day delivery or 2-days delivery, all options online were not convincing).
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A standard 6-pt 17mm socket works fine on the "12-pt" lugs, the issue is when used in combination with an impact. Over time the stainless cap gets deformed and it becomes difficult to remove without other sockets.
If the lugs are new and not too deformed yet, Hazet makes a socket the exact profile: https://www.kctoolco.com/hazet-905sl...edes-benz-1-2/ Its what I use on the lugs first, but I also have the socket @S_W222 linked which works great when the head starts to get deformed.
On our cars, I actually "upgraded" to these decorative lugs as the originals where very rusty. The plating nowadays is nowhere near as good as in the past and hardware oxidizes/corrodes much quicker to where lugs become a "maintenance" item if you care about appearance. Whereas, the lugs on our '95 E320 look better than our '11 E350. Time will tell with these decorative lugs... I'm hoping they stay looking good longer.
If the lugs are new and not too deformed yet, Hazet makes a socket the exact profile: https://www.kctoolco.com/hazet-905sl...edes-benz-1-2/ Its what I use on the lugs first, but I also have the socket @S_W222 linked which works great when the head starts to get deformed.
On our cars, I actually "upgraded" to these decorative lugs as the originals where very rusty. The plating nowadays is nowhere near as good as in the past and hardware oxidizes/corrodes much quicker to where lugs become a "maintenance" item if you care about appearance. Whereas, the lugs on our '95 E320 look better than our '11 E350. Time will tell with these decorative lugs... I'm hoping they stay looking good longer.
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I bought the proper star head socket and torque wrench soon after buying my w222.
Year later took my car into a local MB dealership not the one I normally use as they are hopeless with any issue I asked them to look at.
I only wanted them to balance the front wheels as I had a shake on breaking. They balanced the wheels but want 1200 euro to replace front discs and pads.
Sourced the oem discs and pads from another MB dealership and replaced them myself total cost 350 euro.
But when I went to do the job I found the MB dealership who balanced the wheels obviously used a standard socket, even though the star socket was in the trunk.
I'll be looking for a major discount from their parts department when I order my lug nuts seeing as it was their technician who destroyed them. Bad when a main dealer cant this right.
Year later took my car into a local MB dealership not the one I normally use as they are hopeless with any issue I asked them to look at.
I only wanted them to balance the front wheels as I had a shake on breaking. They balanced the wheels but want 1200 euro to replace front discs and pads.
Sourced the oem discs and pads from another MB dealership and replaced them myself total cost 350 euro.
But when I went to do the job I found the MB dealership who balanced the wheels obviously used a standard socket, even though the star socket was in the trunk.
I'll be looking for a major discount from their parts department when I order my lug nuts seeing as it was their technician who destroyed them. Bad when a main dealer cant this right.
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All:
The tool/socket below is a must have for everyone. The reason why almost ALL nuts get stripped out anytime you go to a shop outside dealer or if you remove the wheels yourself, is that any standard 17MM tool will strip or slowly cut the Benz nuts.... they have a weird shape and this piece/socket in the link below has a PERFECT mirror shape of the benz lug nuts and fits perfectly. A standard 17MM tool over time will destroy the nuts and that's what happened to mine every time i needed to fix a flat tire or get some work done if am traveling or not near the dealer..... I will keep this tool/socket in my car and will always hand it to the mechanic to use. Unfortunately some of my wheels lug nuts are already destroyed because of using a standard 17mm wrench, but I found in my trunk 4 new EXTRA lug nuts in a small OEM box where the key for the lug nut is also located... I need around 6 lug nuts so I still need 2 more and will get them ordered through the dealer later (I was not able to find some on Amazon or third party website that can ship it via next day delivery or 2-days delivery, all options online were not convincing).
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The tool/socket below is a must have for everyone. The reason why almost ALL nuts get stripped out anytime you go to a shop outside dealer or if you remove the wheels yourself, is that any standard 17MM tool will strip or slowly cut the Benz nuts.... they have a weird shape and this piece/socket in the link below has a PERFECT mirror shape of the benz lug nuts and fits perfectly. A standard 17MM tool over time will destroy the nuts and that's what happened to mine every time i needed to fix a flat tire or get some work done if am traveling or not near the dealer..... I will keep this tool/socket in my car and will always hand it to the mechanic to use. Unfortunately some of my wheels lug nuts are already destroyed because of using a standard 17mm wrench, but I found in my trunk 4 new EXTRA lug nuts in a small OEM box where the key for the lug nut is also located... I need around 6 lug nuts so I still need 2 more and will get them ordered through the dealer later (I was not able to find some on Amazon or third party website that can ship it via next day delivery or 2-days delivery, all options online were not convincing).
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
You can find forged steel lug bolts with the standard hex head on Evil-bay. You just need to make sure that they are the same length as your current bolts and have the same conical base. Then you'll never have to worry about this happening again....which it surely will.
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When ordering new lug bolts you need to know the type and size to get. I think they are 14x1.5 ball seat bolts but the length is important. You can take one bolt out and measure it if you have a ruler by measuring from the base of the ball seat to the tip of the bolt. Too long and they can interfere with the bits behind the rotors, too short and they will be unsafe.
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I was going to ask about bolt length as well because some wheels (on a spare anyway) take different length bolts. Secondly, if the bolt threads are damaged, what does that say about the threaded holes in the hub? If it were me, I'd get a thread cleaner (inexpensive and readily available on Amazon) and run it down into each of the holes to clean them up, knock off any rust, etc. Then anti-seize on the new bolts and tighten to 110 ft lbs as mentioned above.
Simple stuff, but as preceding posts show, a lot of baboons out there use the wrong parts, tools and methods and wheels are too important to mess up.
Simple stuff, but as preceding posts show, a lot of baboons out there use the wrong parts, tools and methods and wheels are too important to mess up.
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I was going to ask about bolt length as well because some wheels (on a spare anyway) take different length bolts. Secondly, if the bolt threads are damaged, what does that say about the threaded holes in the hub? If it were me, I'd get a thread cleaner (inexpensive and readily available on Amazon) and run it down into each of the holes to clean them up, knock off any rust, etc. Then anti-seize on the new bolts and tighten to 110 ft lbs as mentioned above.
Simple stuff, but as preceding posts show, a lot of baboons out there use the wrong parts, tools and methods and wheels are too important to mess up.
Simple stuff, but as preceding posts show, a lot of baboons out there use the wrong parts, tools and methods and wheels are too important to mess up.
When the bolt is threaded into the hub and torqued down, no moisture can get in the threads causing any rust in those threads. If the bolts aren't coming off, it is highly likely that they were over-torqued and stretched.
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Interesting! I got in the habit of using anti-sieze on my Porsches, which use alloy lug nuts on steel bolts. With dissimilar metals everyone says anti-sieze is necessary.
Right or wrong, I've used anti-sieze for years on other cars and never seen any ill effects. My belief is Mercedes and every other manufacturer have a large margin of safety in wheel fastening systems. I seriously doubt adding a little anti-sieze with specified torque - while perhaps not optimal - would ever result in gross failure, like a wheel coming off ...
Right or wrong, I've used anti-sieze for years on other cars and never seen any ill effects. My belief is Mercedes and every other manufacturer have a large margin of safety in wheel fastening systems. I seriously doubt adding a little anti-sieze with specified torque - while perhaps not optimal - would ever result in gross failure, like a wheel coming off ...
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