Starting a search 2019-2020 S
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
Starting a search 2019-2020 S
Looks like I might be shopping for an S for my wife.
Her E350 has 190K and we started looking at GLC, Macan, Q5, M3 because she thought she wanted a small SUV.
Nothing is thrilling her, so we drove a CLS450, and she liked it, but not enough more than the E to address the extra cost and not having the most recent electronics.
So, then she decided that she liked her E so much, she should just get another, but hers being a P2 car, and seeing what the CLS had, I started looking at loaded E's, and 1) They are rare on the used market and 2) they are pricy on the used market.
So she always wanted an S, and most S seems to be equipped with all the toys, so she is thinking about pulling "another 10K or so out of her inheritance and getting an S.
Well, that is a long introduction to my questions.
Is there anything notable different between these years.
Any options that are "Must Haves"?
Anything to stay away from?
Anything else I should know, look for, look out for etc.,????
Her E350 has 190K and we started looking at GLC, Macan, Q5, M3 because she thought she wanted a small SUV.
Nothing is thrilling her, so we drove a CLS450, and she liked it, but not enough more than the E to address the extra cost and not having the most recent electronics.
So, then she decided that she liked her E so much, she should just get another, but hers being a P2 car, and seeing what the CLS had, I started looking at loaded E's, and 1) They are rare on the used market and 2) they are pricy on the used market.
So she always wanted an S, and most S seems to be equipped with all the toys, so she is thinking about pulling "another 10K or so out of her inheritance and getting an S.
Well, that is a long introduction to my questions.
Is there anything notable different between these years.
Any options that are "Must Haves"?
Anything to stay away from?
Anything else I should know, look for, look out for etc.,????
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,694
Likes: 521
2019 S560, 2015 Honda Civic Hybrid
Are you looking for 4MATIC? There have been some complaints of low-speed vibration with 4MATIC S560s. Something about cylinder deactivation not playing well with the 4WD drivetrain.
I don't know what's standard or optional on these particular years, but I really rely on the surround view camera. My wife loves the 'warmth & comfort' features that include heated steering wheel and armrests. The pricier options like 3D "high end" sound, Magic Body Control and Magic Sky - to name a few - are desirable but hard to find. Finally, upgraded interiors, either 'Exclusive Nappa Leather' or the various 'Desgino' items are neat and I think add a great finishing touch. Again, these are fairly rare.
Good luck with your search!
I don't know what's standard or optional on these particular years, but I really rely on the surround view camera. My wife loves the 'warmth & comfort' features that include heated steering wheel and armrests. The pricier options like 3D "high end" sound, Magic Body Control and Magic Sky - to name a few - are desirable but hard to find. Finally, upgraded interiors, either 'Exclusive Nappa Leather' or the various 'Desgino' items are neat and I think add a great finishing touch. Again, these are fairly rare.
Good luck with your search!
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
Probably looking at 450s to keep costs and fuel consumption reasonable.
Our E-350 is 4-Matic and we still make trips back to Delaware and Illinois, even in the winter.
We have had all AWD vehicles since 1991 (well except for my Cayman).
Our E-350 is 4-Matic and we still make trips back to Delaware and Illinois, even in the winter.
We have had all AWD vehicles since 1991 (well except for my Cayman).
Super Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 742
Likes: 228
From: Santa Barbara, CA
S550C4, Porsche Cayenne
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 56
From: New York
2025 Range Rover, 2022 BMW M850 , 2017 MB E400 Coupe
I own S450 4Matic and like it a lot. I drive mostly in the city ( NYC), so 8 cyl is just a waste of money. My wife usually drives our Range Rover Supercharged ( 8CYL) and when she rarely in MB she does not complain about power shortage.
Your wife certainly will like 'warmth & comfort' package. Premium package a must, but I think majority of them have it anyway. Driver assistant package is nice to have, especially for highway driving for lazy people who don't like to drive the car themselves ..lol
AMG package gives the car nice appearance. Women like it. Nappa leather and the rest of the fancy stuff may be nice to have, but as previously stated it can be a challenge to find it in S450.
Good luck, I'm sure your wife will like this car.
Your wife certainly will like 'warmth & comfort' package. Premium package a must, but I think majority of them have it anyway. Driver assistant package is nice to have, especially for highway driving for lazy people who don't like to drive the car themselves ..lol
AMG package gives the car nice appearance. Women like it. Nappa leather and the rest of the fancy stuff may be nice to have, but as previously stated it can be a challenge to find it in S450.
Good luck, I'm sure your wife will like this car.
Last edited by aeggroup; Aug 27, 2022 at 11:09 PM.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,350
Likes: 493
From: Birmingham, AL
2019 S560, 2022 Audi S8
Looks like I might be shopping for an S for my wife.
Her E350 has 190K and we started looking at GLC, Macan, Q5, M3 because she thought she wanted a small SUV.
Nothing is thrilling her, so we drove a CLS450, and she liked it, but not enough more than the E to address the extra cost and not having the most recent electronics.
So, then she decided that she liked her E so much, she should just get another, but hers being a P2 car, and seeing what the CLS had, I started looking at loaded E's, and 1) They are rare on the used market and 2) they are pricy on the used market.
So she always wanted an S, and most S seems to be equipped with all the toys, so she is thinking about pulling "another 10K or so out of her inheritance and getting an S.
Well, that is a long introduction to my questions.
Is there anything notable different between these years.
Any options that are "Must Haves"?
Anything to stay away from?
Anything else I should know, look for, look out for etc.,????
Her E350 has 190K and we started looking at GLC, Macan, Q5, M3 because she thought she wanted a small SUV.
Nothing is thrilling her, so we drove a CLS450, and she liked it, but not enough more than the E to address the extra cost and not having the most recent electronics.
So, then she decided that she liked her E so much, she should just get another, but hers being a P2 car, and seeing what the CLS had, I started looking at loaded E's, and 1) They are rare on the used market and 2) they are pricy on the used market.
So she always wanted an S, and most S seems to be equipped with all the toys, so she is thinking about pulling "another 10K or so out of her inheritance and getting an S.
Well, that is a long introduction to my questions.
Is there anything notable different between these years.
Any options that are "Must Haves"?
Anything to stay away from?
Anything else I should know, look for, look out for etc.,????
Trending Topics
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used
Verdad Gallardo
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
I own S450 4Matic and like it a lot. I drive mostly in the city ( NYC), so 8 cyl is just a waste of money. My wife usually drives our Range Rover Supercharged ( 8CYL) and when she rarely in MB she does not complain about power shortage.
Your wife certainly will like 'warmth & comfort' package. Premium package a must, but I think majority of them have it anyway. Driver assistant package is nice to have, especially for highway driving for lazy people who don't like to drive the car themselves ..lol
AMG package gives the car nice appearance. Women like it. Nappa leather and the rest of the fancy stuff may be nice to have, but as previously stated it can be a challenge to find it in S450.
Good luck, I'm sure your wife will like this car.
Your wife certainly will like 'warmth & comfort' package. Premium package a must, but I think majority of them have it anyway. Driver assistant package is nice to have, especially for highway driving for lazy people who don't like to drive the car themselves ..lol
AMG package gives the car nice appearance. Women like it. Nappa leather and the rest of the fancy stuff may be nice to have, but as previously stated it can be a challenge to find it in S450.
Good luck, I'm sure your wife will like this car.
This one seems nicely equipped;
Certified Used 2019 Mercedes-Benz S-Class Charlotte NC (mbnorthlake.com)
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
I just traded off my 2019 S560 this weekend for a Nissan Titan pickup truck. The trade was handled in Huntsville, AL. The swapping of cars will occur Monday but I went ahead and signed the deal. The S560 is pearl white, beige interior, HUD , heated and cooled front and rear seats, 28K miles, essentially brand new Michelins that show very little wear at 7000 miles, not a single scratch or dent anywhere and the leather is perfect. I have an Audi S8 and did not need two luxobarges and I had to make a tough decision. If you would like, I'll ask them what they plan to sell it for at retail. BTW, it was a turned in lease and I ended up with 5K of positive equity even though I exceeded the allowed mileage. That really helped seal my truck purchase. Feel free to PM me after 8-29 once the delivery of the vehicles are done.
If it wasn't white!
LOL I got my GL320 from a guy here in 2013 (2008 model) because I was asking lot of questions and he offered up he was trading one in.
Other than being white, it was perfect. A P2 car with a few dealer added accessories.
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 362
Likes: 186
2018 S560, 2004 SL500, 2014 S550 (SOLD), 2012 S550 x2(SOLD), 2007 CL600 (SOLD), 2007 S600(SOLD)
Here's two in your relative vicinity that have some neat options. One has the exclusive leather and 3D Surround Sound. The second has the Designo Semi Aniline interior package, which is extremely rare regardless of which model S Class you get. The exclusive nappa leather makes a massive difference IMO. Real leather covers almost every surface in addition to the alcantara headliner. Same goes for the Designo interior, but even nicer materials.
https://www.mercedesbenzofdurham.com...f80d7b2ae3.htm
https://www.mercedesbenzofhampton.co...g8db5ka495175/
https://www.mercedesbenzofdurham.com...f80d7b2ae3.htm
https://www.mercedesbenzofhampton.co...g8db5ka495175/
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,694
Likes: 521
2019 S560, 2015 Honda Civic Hybrid
Gray car config is very interesting, 18" wheels and no AMG styling package. Odd when they spent a lot on interior and sound upgrades! Does new car warranty go beyond 40k miles?
The blue car is very much like one I was watching in El Paso recently. I'm not a fan of the beige interior color, but this one is fresh and undoubtedly special. With just 19k miles it looks very reasonably priced at $75K.
The blue car is very much like one I was watching in El Paso recently. I'm not a fan of the beige interior color, but this one is fresh and undoubtedly special. With just 19k miles it looks very reasonably priced at $75K.
Last edited by Tom in Austin; Aug 28, 2022 at 10:33 AM.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,051
Likes: 4,557
From: Maryland
2024 S580
I own S450 4Matic and like it a lot. I drive mostly in the city ( NYC), so 8 cyl is just a waste of money. My wife usually drives our Range Rover Supercharged ( 8CYL) and when she rarely in MB she does not complain about power shortage.
Your wife certainly will like 'warmth & comfort' package. Premium package a must, but I think majority of them have it anyway. Driver assistant package is nice to have, especially for highway driving for lazy people who don't like to drive the car themselves ..lol
AMG package gives the car nice appearance. Women like it. Nappa leather and the rest of the fancy stuff may be nice to have, but as previously stated it can be a challenge to find it in S450.
Good luck, I'm sure your wife will like this car.
Your wife certainly will like 'warmth & comfort' package. Premium package a must, but I think majority of them have it anyway. Driver assistant package is nice to have, especially for highway driving for lazy people who don't like to drive the car themselves ..lol
AMG package gives the car nice appearance. Women like it. Nappa leather and the rest of the fancy stuff may be nice to have, but as previously stated it can be a challenge to find it in S450.
Good luck, I'm sure your wife will like this car.
I would highly reccomend you try an S560 before you get an S450. The difference in cost is not that much, and fuelwise, my S560 gets almost 30 MPG on the highway, and around town I get high teens. Global economy over 26k miles is 20MPG, and thats with the auto start stop disabled. Plus all 560s have napa leather, and its a huge upgrade over the leather in the 450.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 56
From: New York
2025 Range Rover, 2022 BMW M850 , 2017 MB E400 Coupe
City driving in NYC or for example Florida is the big difference.
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
NYC is about the worst for mileage no matter what car.
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
Gray car config is very interesting, 18" wheels and no AMG styling package. Odd when they spent a lot on interior and sound upgrades! Does new car warranty go beyond 40k miles?
The blue car is very much like one I was watching in El Paso recently. I'm not a fan of the beige interior color, but this one is fresh and undoubtedly special. With just 19k miles it looks very reasonably priced at $75K.
The blue car is very much like one I was watching in El Paso recently. I'm not a fan of the beige interior color, but this one is fresh and undoubtedly special. With just 19k miles it looks very reasonably priced at $75K.
The addition of the V8 isn't about power, its about feel. Driving the S450 and the S560 back to back, I had to get the S560. The V8 just gives the experience of driving it that little bit extra, and it just feels "right" in the car in a way the 6 cyl was lacking. That little extra refinement, that little extra exhaust tone.
I would highly reccomend you try an S560 before you get an S450. The difference in cost is not that much, and fuelwise, my S560 gets almost 30 MPG on the highway, and around town I get high teens. Global economy over 26k miles is 20MPG, and thats with the auto start stop disabled. Plus all 560s have napa leather, and its a huge upgrade over the leather in the 450.
I would highly reccomend you try an S560 before you get an S450. The difference in cost is not that much, and fuelwise, my S560 gets almost 30 MPG on the highway, and around town I get high teens. Global economy over 26k miles is 20MPG, and thats with the auto start stop disabled. Plus all 560s have napa leather, and its a huge upgrade over the leather in the 450.
We 'justified/rationalized" the first $10k based on that fact that an equivalent options E for probably carry most of not all of that increase. (I.E. "Buy the S and get the options free", or "Buy the options and get the S uplift free")
$10K more starts cutting into what she wants to put into the house.
Teh 450 at Hendrik is just about perfect except for the black interior.
I have also noticed price drops on most every car I have saved on-line, so maybe the market is softening. Assuming the E keep rolling along, maybe we can move up a year after the fall.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,051
Likes: 4,557
From: Maryland
2024 S580
Just do yourself a favor and drive both. The 560 is what the car is intended to be, and it just feels right. Is the difference used really $10k? The difference new wasn't $10k...even if the difference is 3MPG, that cost difference in fuel isn't very much.
As for the interior, the S Class has IR rejecting glass, it doesnt get terribly hot inside even with my black interior. Its pretty amazing actually.
As for the interior, the S Class has IR rejecting glass, it doesnt get terribly hot inside even with my black interior. Its pretty amazing actually.
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
Just do yourself a favor and drive both. The 560 is what the car is intended to be, and it just feels right. Is the difference used really $10k? The difference new wasn't $10k...even if the difference is 3MPG, that cost difference in fuel isn't very much.
As for the interior, the S Class has IR rejecting glass, it doesnt get terribly hot inside even with my black interior. Its pretty amazing actually.
As for the interior, the S Class has IR rejecting glass, it doesnt get terribly hot inside even with my black interior. Its pretty amazing actually.
The sun is a good bit stronger as you go south.
The fact the difference new was not 10K, tells me teh450's are currently a better deal.
We will drive both, but the cot of the 560 will be the added purchase cost, then added fuel costs, and then the added tickets.
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 362
Likes: 186
2018 S560, 2004 SL500, 2014 S550 (SOLD), 2012 S550 x2(SOLD), 2007 CL600 (SOLD), 2007 S600(SOLD)
Gray car config is very interesting, 18" wheels and no AMG styling package. Odd when they spent a lot on interior and sound upgrades! Does new car warranty go beyond 40k miles?
The blue car is very much like one I was watching in El Paso recently. I'm not a fan of the beige interior color, but this one is fresh and undoubtedly special. With just 19k miles it looks very reasonably priced at $75K.
The blue car is very much like one I was watching in El Paso recently. I'm not a fan of the beige interior color, but this one is fresh and undoubtedly special. With just 19k miles it looks very reasonably priced at $75K.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,051
Likes: 4,557
From: Maryland
2024 S580
We have IR reflecting glass on both cars (E and GL) as they are P2 package.
The sun is a good bit stronger as you go south.
The fact the difference new was not 10K, tells me teh450's are currently a better deal.
We will drive both, but the cot of the 560 will be the added purchase cost, then added fuel costs, and then the added tickets.
The sun is a good bit stronger as you go south.
The fact the difference new was not 10K, tells me teh450's are currently a better deal.
We will drive both, but the cot of the 560 will be the added purchase cost, then added fuel costs, and then the added tickets.
Cops never flinch when they see the S Class!
Member
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 247
Likes: 27
2013 S550, 2009 E320, 2013 ML350 Bluetec
My wife wants a light interior, as she is more about comfort then style and dark interiors just get hotter down here.
She is not so much into engine sound, the nicer leather might be a plus, but $10K more is really a big lift when we are already going $10k above our original target spend.
We 'justified/rationalized" the first $10k based on that fact that an equivalent options E for probably carry most of not all of that increase. (I.E. "Buy the S and get the options free", or "Buy the options and get the S uplift free")
$10K more starts cutting into what she wants to put into the house.
Teh 450 at Hendrik is just about perfect except for the black interior.
I have also noticed price drops on most every car I have saved on-line, so maybe the market is softening. Assuming the E keep rolling along, maybe we can move up a year after the fall.
She is not so much into engine sound, the nicer leather might be a plus, but $10K more is really a big lift when we are already going $10k above our original target spend.
We 'justified/rationalized" the first $10k based on that fact that an equivalent options E for probably carry most of not all of that increase. (I.E. "Buy the S and get the options free", or "Buy the options and get the S uplift free")
$10K more starts cutting into what she wants to put into the house.
Teh 450 at Hendrik is just about perfect except for the black interior.
I have also noticed price drops on most every car I have saved on-line, so maybe the market is softening. Assuming the E keep rolling along, maybe we can move up a year after the fall.
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2022
Posts: 409
Likes: 211
From: Atlanta, GA
2020 S450 4Matic, 2022 GLS450 4Matic, 2015 C300
I have to agree with the statements of the 450 vs the 560, I drove both and while I preferred the 560, it just had more get up and go, and the seats were more comfortable, I finally ended up with a 450, and I am very happy with it. It came down to it being a financial decision, and I had to let go of emotion for once!
My S450 is a 2019, but it was registered in 2019 rather than 2018, so when I bought it, it still had over a year of factory warranty on it. All of the 560's that I was looking at, were in the same price range, but were out of warranty, and going CPO added a significant chunk. So I rolled the dice, and took a gamble, I didn't buy from a Mercedes dealer (it was my local VW dealer), but I figured the 1 year of factory warranty will cover me. I did go to my dealer and have my SA run the vehicle history for me (which was all good), and I figured the $20k I saved not buying a CPO, which only gives me an extra year of warranty, is something that I was OK with.
My driving is mostly local, running the kids to and from sports, I am hitting about 19mpg on my weekly fill up, and on road trips I have seen 27-28mpg.
My S450 is a 2019, but it was registered in 2019 rather than 2018, so when I bought it, it still had over a year of factory warranty on it. All of the 560's that I was looking at, were in the same price range, but were out of warranty, and going CPO added a significant chunk. So I rolled the dice, and took a gamble, I didn't buy from a Mercedes dealer (it was my local VW dealer), but I figured the 1 year of factory warranty will cover me. I did go to my dealer and have my SA run the vehicle history for me (which was all good), and I figured the $20k I saved not buying a CPO, which only gives me an extra year of warranty, is something that I was OK with.
My driving is mostly local, running the kids to and from sports, I am hitting about 19mpg on my weekly fill up, and on road trips I have seen 27-28mpg.
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
Back to the original question (or at least part of it)
Any significant difference between 2019 and 2020?
Any significant difference between 2019 and 2020?
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 362
Likes: 186
2018 S560, 2004 SL500, 2014 S550 (SOLD), 2012 S550 x2(SOLD), 2007 CL600 (SOLD), 2007 S600(SOLD)
Nothing significant. 2018 was the facelift year in the states. Anything MY 2018+ won't have many changes year to year.
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,516
Likes: 628
From: Charlotte NC area
2019 WS222 S450 4-Matic / 2007 W211 E350 4Matic (Sold) / 2008 X164 GL320 CDI
The 450 we went to look at was sold, so we drove a 560.
we liked the car, and will driver a 450, but with the cost difference will probably go with the 450.
Wish we got the EU 450 mild hybrid.
we liked the car, and will driver a 450, but with the cost difference will probably go with the 450.
Wish we got the EU 450 mild hybrid.
