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Old Dec 7, 2024 | 04:22 PM
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Experience over cost is what something like an S Class is all about...
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Old Dec 7, 2024 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SW20S
Experience over cost is what something like an S Class is all about...
True, that is the point of an S-Class after all.
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Old Feb 12, 2025 | 05:39 PM
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2016 C300 PRESSURE WITHOUT RUNFLATS?

Greetings,
Bought my first Benz and learning about it is worse than Grad School.
Info: 2016 C300 Luxury 4matic. Came with Michenlin Defender T+H 225 x 50 x 17, NOT RUN FLATS
Door sticker pressure: 39 PSI front 45 PSI rear
Fuel door sticker: 32 PSI front, 32 PSI rear
Question: What pressures are correct?
Note: The tire pressure indicator is way off and needs to be reset, but that's another story.
Thanks
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Old Feb 12, 2025 | 05:43 PM
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Use the fuel pressures on the fuel door
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Old Feb 12, 2025 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by smokingman43
Greetings,
Door sticker pressure: 39 PSI front 45 PSI rear
Fuel door sticker: 32 PSI front, 32 PSI rear
The fuel door sticker is more correct.

But tire pressure is not a single number !!
32 PSI is as low as one would want and is likely the point of maximum ride quality versus tire wear.
35 PSI allows one ½ year between thinking about tire pressures.
39 PSI is as high as one would want and is likely the point of maximum traction, low tire wear, and gets 10% more mileage on gas.

I run 39 PSI, check them once a season (or TPM goes off) and average 20 MPG in an S-600.

I can feel the traction differences and ride quality differences quite easily. Some tires (like run craps) want less pressure to lessen the harshness of the run craps; while I like the faster response time of the higher pressures.
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Old May 19, 2025 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Alsup
...I run 39 PSI, check them once a season (or TPM goes off) and average 20 MPG in an S-600.
May I ask, what is the elevation where you reside?
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Old May 19, 2025 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Alsup
The fuel door sticker is more correct.

But tire pressure is not a single number !!
32 PSI is as low as one would want and is likely the point of maximum ride quality versus tire wear.
35 PSI allows one ½ year between thinking about tire pressures.
39 PSI is as high as one would want and is likely the point of maximum traction, low tire wear, and gets 10% more mileage on gas.

I run 39 PSI, check them once a season (or TPM goes off) and average 20 MPG in an S-600.

I can feel the traction differences and ride quality differences quite easily. Some tires (like run craps) want less pressure to lessen the harshness of the run craps; while I like the faster response time of the higher pressures.
Load also makes a difference, but 39 psi also wear the inner of the tire more though. As the edges have less contact.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 01:52 PM
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May I ask, what is the elevation where you reside?
Austin is at 680 feet above sea level.
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Originally Posted by Mitch Alsup
The fuel door sticker is more correct.

But tire pressure is not a single number !!
32 PSI is as low as one would want and is likely the point of maximum ride quality versus tire wear.
35 PSI allows one ½ year between thinking about tire pressures.
39 PSI is as high as one would want and is likely the point of maximum traction, low tire wear, and gets 10% more mileage on gas.

I run 39 PSI, check them once a season (or TPM goes off) and average 20 MPG in an S-600.

I can feel the traction differences and ride quality differences quite easily. Some tires (like run craps) want less pressure to lessen the harshness of the run craps; while I like the faster response time of the higher pressures.
Adding a note:: On a race track the tire will want a temperature close to 200ºF, which raises the tire pressure by 6-8 PSI compared to 50ºF sitting in your garage.
That is why I run higher pressures in street driving than in race track driving--so that the tire pressures are "about the same" when street driving and when track driving--giving the car essentially the same feel at the steering wheel, gas pedal, and brake pedal. Porsche drivers do similarly as noted above by another contribuor.

The deal with tire pressures, and suspension alignments, and corner weighting is that you want the contact patch evenly loaded across the whole foot print. An unevenly loaded contact patch creates wear that can be avoided.

Camber is used to evenly load the inside edge with the outside edge,
Tire pressure is used to make the center equal to the inside and outside edges.
Toe is used to equalize front to rear contact pressures (via temperature).
My book(s) on tire setup use 50 pages to fully cover the topic(s).
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Old May 22, 2025 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ygmn
lower pressure allows for more contact patch area - hence more grip.
Only if the tire temperature remains in the "window".
Tires that are too cold do not provide all the grip available--these slid over the road surface like a pencil eraser slides over paper.
Tires that are too hot do not provide all the grip that is available--these slid over the road surface as if the surface has grease on it.

Check F1 they only run mid 20PSI (cars are lighter for sure) but about getting more rubber to touch tarmac...Pirelli does imply a minimum pressure so the tires will cope with the high speed.
F1 cars in the 1970 ran 13 PSI and weighed 600 Kg, current F1 cars at 800Kg run 21-24 PSI mandated by the tire supplier (different for each race track), because if they ran lower pressures, the tire construction will fail at the heavy loads the ground effect cars generate. Current F1 cars would be a second faster using tire pressure the teams want to use. See British GP about 3-4 years ago when there were multiple tire failures near the end of the race.

This is why MB says to raise pressure for super high-speed driving - to reduce chances of tire from over-heating and hence blow outs.
So does Ferrari 35 PSI for street driving, 42 PSI for driving at speeds over 150 MPH for significant amounts of time. {{And I suspect McLaren, Bugatti, Porsche, Lamborghini}}
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Old May 22, 2025 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Alsup
Adding a note:: On a race track the tire will want a temperature close to 200ºF, which raises the tire pressure by 6-8 PSI compared to 50ºF sitting in your garage.
That is why I run higher pressures in street driving than in race track driving--so that the tire pressures are "about the same" when street driving and when track driving--giving the car essentially the same feel at the steering wheel, gas pedal, and brake pedal. Porsche drivers do similarly as noted above by another contribuor.

The deal with tire pressures, and suspension alignments, and corner weighting is that you want the contact patch evenly loaded across the whole foot print. An unevenly loaded contact patch creates wear that can be avoided.

Camber is used to evenly load the inside edge with the outside edge,
Tire pressure is used to make the center equal to the inside and outside edges.
Toe is used to equalize front to rear contact pressures (via temperature).
My book(s) on tire setup use 50 pages to fully cover the topic(s).
A warmed up tire in regular 'ole street driving will always increase by 4-5 psi over cold pressure. And it usually only takes about 10 minutes until the tire is fully warm. 39 psi is only recommended at maximum load.....like with 5 passengers and a full trunk. Otherwise you're better off running 32-33 psi cold pressure.
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Old Jul 7, 2025 | 05:50 PM
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Wow, so the door jamb info is for full load. That graphic in post #5 is quite handy!

I’m in a 2019 S560 rental with the tires at 43-44 hot, and frankly… let’s just say I’m glad I found this thread.


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Old Jul 7, 2025 | 11:56 PM
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Yeah roll those down to 33!
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Old Jul 8, 2025 | 09:00 AM
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I never carry heavy loads or trailer hitch weight, so don't need extra rear tire pressure. It's usually just the 2 front seats that are occupied. I keep all 4 tires inflated equally at 38 psi and measure the treadwear monthly. My vehicles (G550 and X7) are AWD and there's a lot of chatter about drive train component sensitivity to even small tire diameter differences.
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