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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 08:10 AM
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Hi all. I see common questions about brake dust. I no longer have my Maybach but I do recall the annoyance of all that dust. What I can report though is if you ever encounter your next car and a choice for the expensive carbon ceramic brake system is available I would suggest giving it consideration. My 18 AMG GTC has this carbon ceramic brake system. IT has about 50 thousand miles on it and all the brake components are like new! Pads and rotors are like new. More important to this subject is that they have ZERO brake dust! Nothing at all I kid you not.
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 09:07 AM
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When you will see the next Invoice for servicing those brakes...you will start to cry for dust...those giga brakes will stay clean and shiny till they explode in pieces, this should be constantly checked by the dealer with a special tool, as you will never notice the wear.
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 09:51 AM
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If I recall the process of inspecting them involves weighting the rotor. That does not sound like a hugely complex process. Take them off and set them on a digital scale and I think the weight limits are already on the rotors.
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 09:53 AM
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More likely is a light spectrum analysis
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Katie22
Hi all. I see common questions about brake dust. I no longer have my Maybach but I do recall the annoyance of all that dust. What I can report though is if you ever encounter your next car and a choice for the expensive carbon ceramic brake system is available I would suggest giving it consideration. My 18 AMG GTC has this carbon ceramic brake system. IT has about 50 thousand miles on it and all the brake components are like new! Pads and rotors are like new. More important to this subject is that they have ZERO brake dust! Nothing at all I kid you not.
You also get the benefit of no brake fade, that said, don't CCBs require to be replaced when it has 50% of its life?
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 01:51 PM
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Katie is right, but there is more to the story. The reality is that CCB's don't stop a car any quicker or better than non CCB's, unless you're tracking your car you will not see any performance benefit from CCB's. And now that you can buy carbon ceramic brake pads, the brake dust is also eliminated by 99%.
Not only do the carbon ceramic pads reduce brake dust, they also increase the useful life of the rotors, and for less than $150 if you install them your self. Factory CCB's might look better, but that's even debatable. I love my red AMG calipers.
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 01:57 PM
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You also get better ride characteristics due to the lower mass of the parts, but for me anyway it's not worth the eventual replacement cost to go full CCB. Is cleaning your car and wheels weekly or bi-weekly that hard?
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 03:43 PM
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You also get better ride characteristics due to the lower mass of the parts, but for me anyway it's not worth the eventual replacement cost to go full CCB. Is cleaning your car and wheels weekly or bi-weekly that hard?
Ceramic coating the wheels make it easier to clean for those who have steel brakes. Plus brake dust is mainly a problem with oem pads, if go aftermarket stuff, it is greatly reduced.
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Originally Posted by carlosinseattle
Katie is right, but there is more to the story. The reality is that CCB's don't stop a car any quicker or better than non CCB's, unless you're tracking your car you will not see any performance benefit from CCB's. And now that you can buy carbon ceramic brake pads, the brake dust is also eliminated by 99%.
Not only do the carbon ceramic pads reduce brake dust, they also increase the useful life of the rotors, and for less than $150 if you install them your self. Factory CCB's might look better, but that's even debatable. I love my red AMG calipers.
The CCBs do look good, not going to lie.
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 07:19 PM
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You also get better ride characteristics due to the lower mass of the parts, but for me anyway it's not worth the eventual replacement cost to go full CCB. Is cleaning your car and wheels weekly or bi-weekly that hard?
My S560 on the OEM pads needed wheel cleaning after every drive. Replacing them with ceramic pads was the biggest vehicle enjoyment upgrade I have ever made.

My S580 has no brake dust at all, but it has regenerative brakes.
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I have no experience with ceramic replacement pads so I did not comment on them but if they are dust free then BY ALL means thats worth consideration as well. When I had the Maybach I had to replace pads and I used TRW (oem pads) and they were just as messy as the original pads. VERY annoying.

Alas I no longer have the Maybach but the GTC keeps be happy.
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Old Apr 7, 2025 | 09:12 PM
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I still go with my full squealers....semi metallic....I like to stop with authority......
Brake dust is reason for me to clean the car....
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Ceramic brakes should last the life of the vehicle for most drivers (but maybe not most s classes), their usefulness is basicly the lack of brake dust which make them hard to justify due to their price.
Porsche is middle of the roading this with their tungsten brakes.
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Old Apr 8, 2025 | 12:37 AM
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Carbon Ceramic brakes in mine.... 143,000 miles.... original rotors.... second set of pads.

When they get noisy a couple firm applications of brakes from three digits burns off what made them squeal.

Rotors that are three or four pounds each that are HUGE.
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Ceramic Brakes should be good investment for anyone who doesn't trade in their vehicles for newer vehicles in 2-3 years
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Originally Posted by Katie22
I have no experience with ceramic replacement pads so I did not comment on them but if they are dust free then BY ALL means thats worth consideration as well. When I had the Maybach I had to replace pads and I used TRW (oem pads) and they were just as messy as the original pads. VERY annoying.

Alas I no longer have the Maybach but the GTC keeps be happy.
I guess very good aftermarket pads are also mostly dust free even if not ceramic, the OEM pads are just too soft.
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Old Apr 8, 2025 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Katie22
I have no experience with ceramic replacement pads so I did not comment on them but if they are dust free then BY ALL means thats worth consideration as well. When I had the Maybach I had to replace pads and I used TRW (oem pads) and they were just as messy as the original pads. VERY annoying.

Alas I no longer have the Maybach but the GTC keeps be happy.
Glad it is keeping you happy, happy in a different way, completely opposite intends and purposes of both cars.
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Two forum members that truly loves CCBs are both forum member I.T. Guy and forum member streamliner, will be curious to hear about both of their opinion : )
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Old Apr 8, 2025 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by VII
Ceramic brakes should last the life of the vehicle for most drivers (but maybe not most s classes), their usefulness is basicly the lack of brake dust which make them hard to justify due to their price.
Porsche is middle of the roading this with their tungsten brakes.
The CCBs still squeal less than semi-metallic ones right? If that is really the case then that is another benefit as well.
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I still go with my full squealers....semi metallic....I like to stop with authority......
Brake dust is reason for me to clean the car....
I noticed no difference in stopping power with the ceramic pads, zero. No downside at all. I don't have the time or energy to clean the car twice a week.
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
You also get the benefit of no brake fade, that said, don't CCBs require to be replaced when it has 50% of its life?

That would make 50% of the "life" 100% of its "life"....just sayin
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The most noticeable loss with ceramic pads is in extreme cold, and this is the main reason manufacturers won't fit them.
Ceramic pads also have less ultimate resistance to fade but no one is driving their S class to that point.
There is also a little less bite but not something that would be a big disadvantage on anything but a track car.
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Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar
That would make 50% of the "life" 100% of its "life"....just sayin
I don't personally have CCBs on any of my MBs, however, can someone confirm or refute the claim that you need to replace the CCBs at 50% of its life due to safety issues please?
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No, you replace them at the end of their life as in that is what that means.
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No, you replace them at the end of their life as in that is what that means.
Thank you, it wasn't this thread but it also talks about that 50% mentioned: https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...servicing.html

I should had specified I was specifically referring to the pads, not the rotors.
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