Can I add the warm and comfort package if the car didn’t have it .
i don’t care about the function as longs as I have the rear amibent light behind the rear seats and the beautiful cup holders .(just for looks )
don’t care about adjusting rear seat or extra heat options .
meaning if I get it used and add it .

Or get aftermarket.

Why ppl opt out of this option is crazy to me.
i understand the cost of the Hi end sound system but this is a bargain for extra $2500
make the rear looks so much better

 

You cannot add it easily - anything is possible

i agree - $100k+ car and you skip the warmth/comfort for another $2.5k - so strange

 

It would be very difficult to add. You would need to add the whole power rear seats and the parcel shelf, replace both door panels and add the ones with the controls, replace all the armrests with the ones with the heating elements.

I didn't have W&C on my S560 but do have it on my S580, its not a needle mover for me. Ordering a car I would always get it but buying it off the lot I would absolutely buy another one without it.

 

Like you; that rear lighting is the thing I like the most about the W&C package; that extra lighting in the back makes a significant difference with short daylight hours. I originally bought a 2017 W222 out of state, thinking it had the W&C package, but the original owner just added a heated steering wheel without the rest of the stuff in the package. I researched how to make the switch for 90 days and realized it would be super time consuming and costly. I wound up buying a 2018 with that package and more.

85% of these cars are leased, so they only enjoy it for 3-4 years. And options get you no increase in residual value from the bank, so new S-Class buyers are stuck paying all that money for 3-4 years of use. I love the options, but not sure if I would pay for it if I only planned to keep it for a short time. That's one reason I've bought used.

 

Options do get you an increased residual from the bank, the residual is based on the full MSRP including all options.

 

At what percentage of option costs? You would know since you always lease. When I leased my Jaguar and Genesis they didn't give ANY increases for options.

 

what is your the difference on the w&c package on the s580.
I only know it for w222
My wife has the 2023 s580 but I don’t know if it has that option cause the rear seats looks all the same to me besides the leather seat stitching . My dad order it for her since I wasn’t around when the purchase was made.

That’s my wife’s back seat
Is this with or without w&c

 

I figured that .
The thing is all the low miles 2020 under 25k miles doesn’t have that option.
just got to wait until it shows up .
also wanted to mention looking for silver /white exterior
porcelain black interior in mint condition (unicorn color)
I know I can wrap the car ext but don’t like a car being All in pieces .

 

Same residual as everything else. If the residual is 55%, the total final MSRP is used to calculate the residual, which is 55% of that number. Leases work this way with every brand, its not brand dependent at all. Leasing is leasing. Been leasing cars for over 20 years here.

That car has W&C, same as the W222. The W&C requires the power rear seats, and power rear seats almost always means W&C. So if a 222 or a 223 has power rear seats, it has W&C. That car also has exclusive nappa which also requires both power rear seats and W&C, you can tell because of the wood on the backs of the seats.

This is the back seat of a 223 without it:

 

That was your experience, and I appreciate that. But I've leased 5+ cars in the last 20 years and there was no standard of 55% at any point. I don't know how the residual value on options could be set at 55% when the residual value of every car is different all the time. I've had residual values of cars set as low as 40% in the case of the Genesis. In addition to that, the residual is set based on the anticipated value of the car in the secondary market at the end of the lease. Some options means absolutely nothing to consumers so they don't increase the car's resale value. Again, I won't argue with your experience since I've never leased a MB.

 

ok the amibent light is not available in the non w&c I can see the black interior looks like it doesn’t have the lights behide the rear seats.
where the rear seat looks like a coupe rear seat with the w&c option.


but isn’t the wood in the rear of the front seat called the exclusive trim package.(w222)
so with the w223 the only way you could tell it has to warmth and comfort package is the rear wood behind the front seats with led strips.
thank you for the pics and info.
This is such a headache and expensive hobby.

i think the best is to see the facelift and make my decision after that.!

Thank you.!!

 

All the option explnations are in the order guide and the brochure

 

You're misunderstanding me. The residual is not a standard amount, it varies on every model and sometimes in trim levels within a model. So S500s have different residuals than S580s etc. The finance companies set their programs on every car once a month, so the residuals, rebates and money factors change month to month depending on what product they want to move faster etc. Residuals may or may not accurately reflect real world values on the used market, manufacturers use large unrealistic residuals to create low lease payments as an incentive all the time.

BUT, the statement that options are not reflected in the residual is absolutely not true, for any car. The residual is calculated as a percentage of the car's MSRP, including all the options within that MSRP, full stop. So IF lets say the residual is 55% of an S580, its 55% of a $120,000 base unit....or 55% of a $160,000 highly optioned unit. The options are all residualized.

 

You're right...I'm misunderstanding you. You have your experience and I have mine, and we've had different experiences. Can we leave it at that?
The point I was making is not about the details, it was about why these cars aren't all optioned to the max when they're bought new. And I said the original person who ordered the car isn't going to get the value back on options at the end of the lease term, that was a theory/hypothesis. What I didn't say, that I know for a fact is that when dealers order the cars; they rarely order them highly optioned. I have several freinds who are dealers who have told me that, and it applies to more than MBs.
he funny thing about it is that when comparing what you've done versus me; you leased new and didn't desire cars with a lot of options, and I bought used highly optioned.

 

It’s important to present accurate information because people read what we post and they use it to make decisions for themselves. Options on a car are residualized, that’s just a fact.

Dealers pick what they order based on what will sell. Cheaper models sell more quickly than expensive models, so yeah when dealers order cars to spec on their lot they are careful about options to keep the MSRP in the sweet spot where the largest pool of people will find the car appealing. It doesn’t have anything to do with residuals and leasing, it’s just being cautious of buyers price sensitivity.

For me I am not really hung up on options, it’s not that I wouldn’t choose a more expensive model I just choose from what is available at any given time.

 

No, if it has power rear seats it has W&C. It doesn’t have to have the wood on the backs of the front seats (exclusive Napa) in order to have W&C.

 

Here's a fact; I got nothing in residual value for the options on My XFR, my Genesis G90 and my Hyundia Genesis R-Spec Sedan...nothing!
Another fact; there is no 55% standard calculation on residual values for any car or any option, as you represented. Like you said more recently; residual values always change, that I agree with 100%.
I didn't represnt my theory about MB owners as a fact. We can disagree on a theory. Does that make sense??

 

Dealers would almost NEVER buy a FULLY loaded car, unless they are stocking a rare Maybach S or GLS, G-class or something crazy like that that won't lose value; even then it's very care. That's why you can't find a fully loaded car if you buy a car that is in stock and will have to settle to partially loaded one. The reason is exactly the one you mentioned based on my experience. You will have to order one if you want to get the full experience. I'd say that it is very different for BMWs; I was able to find fully loaded new dealer-ordered stocked cars many times, my X7 and my i7, but never ever for a 5-series.
I’m exactly like you... I’d never voluntarily sign up for the partial-experience. German manufacturers build incredible option packages, and they always exist for a reason. Everyone would enjoy a better sound system if it were free (no question). Everyone would take the higher-grade leather package in a luxury daily (maybe except in a family/kids van or SUV, I can understand someone taking synthetic leather for ease of clean). Everyone would love something like Magic Sky Control to turn blazing sun into soft daylight. Same with night vision....nobody’s going to complain about a system that might save you from hitting a deer or a kid in the dark and warns you from far away. Probably most people won't turn it on at night, but it will come on it's own one day when there is a deer, so why not have it if it was free. Now we know that none of these are free, and that's the issue.

On the other hand, there are a few things that are different and more niche.... if you never sit in the back, a rear entertainment system may be pointless, and that's different from the other items above.

So, for a lot of these packages, 99% of buyers would simply tick the box instantly if the price tag said $0.. if someone tell you otherwise, 99% of the times he is not saying the truth or actually never owned a car with that option or driven in one with that package. The story usually isn’t “I didn’t want it”.... it’s often 1) “I didn’t want to pay for it, it's too expensive for me or I can barely afford it", or "2. I can afford it and it won't change my life financially, but the asking price isn't peanuts-level for me; I need it to be cheaper or at no-cost to take it". 99% of the time it's between (1) and (2), but there is always that 1% weirdo who would proudly turn down a better stereo or night vision even at no charge…Most people wish or would take the options. Luckily, manufacturers aren't stupid to offer these options at their cost or zero margin. They are charging premium for the great packages and it's fair.

 

That is not accurate. You had a residual which was calculated off of the final MSRP of the car, not the base MSRP. You misunderstood the way the numbers on your leases were calculated. If you want to learn more about the way leases are calculated I recommend leasehackr.com. They have a ton of information about leasing and a forum full of leasing experts.

To be clear we are talking about factory options that appear on the monroney sticker, not dealer added accessories. Dealer added accessories are not residualized. Some manufacturers will residualize some add ons, MBFS residualizes maintenance plans for instance. But if you for instance choose the Burmester 4D audio on an S Class for $6,500, that is residualized.

And I never said there was a "standard 55% residual", I just threw out 55% as an example of a residual.

What you are saying is just not correct. In an automotive lease the residual is caluclated off of the MSRP of the specific car you are leasing, the residuals change based on the model and trim levels with some leases, but options are included in the residual. All S580s have the same residual % irregardless of what options they have. On our Pacifica where there are specific trim levels, the Pinnacle trim has a different residual than the Limited trim, etc...but the options on a specific car within those trims are residualized at the set residual for that trim and model. Nothing included in the MSRP is not residualized.

 

Just to back this up:

 

Ok Steve...I guess you win. Even though you miss the point entirely. Before my daughter was born I used to tell an off color joke about how arguing with some people make you feel like competing with people with intellectual disabilities. Even when you win you feel less intelligent. I'm done so feel free to have the last word.

 

Hey, you’re definitely not alone, my friend. A lot of folks on this forum have reached the same conclusion and are just ignoring him officially. If someone wants to keep embarrassing themselves in public (because of their attitude and obsession), that’s their choice, but it's great that each of us can decide who we give attention to.
Best approach: don’t argue with someone who hasn’t earned the attention. This pattern has been the same for years now, in every thread, every forum, same behavior, and u find it's the same exact person all the time lol.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s this: even when you’ve got a valid point, you never need to come across like a narcissist. That’s where class shows, and some people just don’t have it.

 

LOL, sorry guys. I’m not going to pretend I don’t know what I’m talking about. You posted something that wasn’t true and I pointed that out, sorry..

 

Mine has power rear seats but not warmth and comfort package.

 

Really? That’s unusual. Everything I have ever seen with the power seats has W&C

I stand corrected on that being a for sure tell then…