When, when, when??
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Everyone is Cool! I read somewhere that they bundles things together in the U.S. Market and eliminated certain options because when a customer would come in to configure a new car they would go into shock because of all the choices and would leave because they couldn't make a decision. This according to market research seems to work better? That tells you something about the Germany population (100 choices and options), USA (15 choices and options)? LOL
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Everyone is Cool! I read somewhere that they bundles things together in the U.S. Market and eliminated certain options because when a customer would come in to configure a new car they would go into shock because of all the choices and would leave because they couldn't make a decision. This according to market research seems to work better? That tells you something about the Germany population (100 choices and options), USA (15 choices and options)? LOL
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Porsche is the same way. I think I configured a 911 just for the fun of it, I think the options were almost as much as the car! I believe people that buy Rolls Royce's have someone else configure the car, you know, make it right how I like or, how does Trump say it, YOUR FIRED1
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Porsche is the same way. I think I configured a 911 just for the fun of it, I think the options were almost as much as the car! I believe people that buy Rolls Royce's have someone else configure the car, you know, make it right how I like or, how does Trump say it, YOUR FIRED1
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Ah, you reminded me of a video where Jason from youtube channel Engineering Explained, explained to youtube channel Throttle House on the amount of Panamera combinations there were. It was about 1.26 quintillion combinations.
Edit added link: https://youtu.be/eudlCgbWytQ?t=96
Edit added link: https://youtu.be/eudlCgbWytQ?t=96
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Also, what is your dealers guess as to when they will release the 2022s?
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After your test drive, did you find it drove ok or do you think the rear wheel steering is a must? After my test drive, although the new heads up display isn't a "must", I really liked it and it will be a must for my purchase.
Also, what is your dealers guess as to when they will release the 2022s?
Also, what is your dealers guess as to when they will release the 2022s?
As for rear axle steering, I would say it’s not a must MUST but it sure makes a huge difference in tight turns, entering/exiting perpendicular parking, entering tight/ angled drive-throughs, etc.
I’ve never had this feature in a car before and it does make a huge difference; for example my previous S400 and 750Li I’d have to take wide turns to enter a local drive through and would sometimes curb the wheel. With this car it effortless! Not to mention perpendicular parking in tight areas.
Note, I have the 10 deg. So not sure if the 4.5 deg is about half the performance? (Is it a linear calculation? Not sure).
Anyhow, when choosing between going with 21” wheels (only 4.5 deg) or having 10 deg (20” wheels (max)), it was a no brainer! The extra degrees of steering outweighed the extra inch of wheels, which is more or less just for looks,, as opposed to functionality IMHO.
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After having the car now for about 2 months and driving it almost daily, the car didn’t just “drive ok,” it drives amazingly smooth and quiet. A true pleasure to drive especially with all the various features in assisted driving.
As for rear axle steering, I would say it’s not a must MUST but it sure makes a huge difference in tight turns, entering/exiting perpendicular parking, entering tight/ angled drive-throughs, etc.
I’ve never had this feature in a car before and it does make a huge difference; for example my previous S400 and 750Li I’d have to take wide turns to enter a local drive through and would sometimes curb the wheel. With this car it effortless! Not to mention perpendicular parking in tight areas.
Note, I have the 10 deg. So not sure if the 4.5 deg is about half the performance? (Is it a linear calculation? Not sure).
Anyhow, when choosing between going with 21” wheels (only 4.5 deg) or having 10 deg (20” wheels (max)), it was a no brainer! The extra degrees of steering outweighed the extra inch of wheels, which is more or less just for looks,, as opposed to functionality IMHO.
As for rear axle steering, I would say it’s not a must MUST but it sure makes a huge difference in tight turns, entering/exiting perpendicular parking, entering tight/ angled drive-throughs, etc.
I’ve never had this feature in a car before and it does make a huge difference; for example my previous S400 and 750Li I’d have to take wide turns to enter a local drive through and would sometimes curb the wheel. With this car it effortless! Not to mention perpendicular parking in tight areas.
Note, I have the 10 deg. So not sure if the 4.5 deg is about half the performance? (Is it a linear calculation? Not sure).
Anyhow, when choosing between going with 21” wheels (only 4.5 deg) or having 10 deg (20” wheels (max)), it was a no brainer! The extra degrees of steering outweighed the extra inch of wheels, which is more or less just for looks,, as opposed to functionality IMHO.
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I talked to the dealer this morning and they said that my car was getting the spoiler put on and locking wheel nuts installed at the VPC in Brunswick. After that, it will be ready for shipping. The dealer said that they are hesitant to even guess when the car might be shipped, they only hope it is soon. I’m surprised that my car did not have the spoiler and locking wheel nuts installed during the months the car was sitting in their lot. Maybe they wait until just before shipping and do any software updates at the same time. So like Alan, I’m still waiting. September delivery is likely, I doubt they will get the car out this week.
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I talked to the dealer this morning and they said that my car was getting the spoiler put on and locking wheel nuts installed at the VPC in Brunswick. After that, it will be ready for shipping. The dealer said that they are hesitant to even guess when the car might be shipped, they only hope it is soon. I’m surprised that my car did not have the spoiler and locking wheel nuts installed during the months the car was sitting in their lot. Maybe they wait until just before shipping and do any software updates at the same time. So like Alan, I’m still waiting. September delivery is likely, I doubt they will get the car out this week.
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TC My dealer told me once the car is released to a transport company, figure three days to get here in Brentwood (Nashville), TN. I'm hoping mine will be released this week, we'll see? I would think three or four days to you once released. I'm guessing while the car is at the VPC it's like no mans land but once released it has a destination, that's probably why they wait to install the extras?
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It’s even mentioned in the ordering guide. See p20
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Sat in one at my local dealer, Fletcher Jones, in Vegas. They had a bunch available, almost all in black. All 580s. I have now seen 3 in-person on the road in the last few days.
Road presence seems a bit off to me - especially with the smaller headlights and smaller grille then prior gen.
I did not drive it, but sat in one for a while, playing with buttons. My initial impression, having had both the W221 S600 and W222 S550, is that I dont quite like it. I dont like the big infotainment touch screen, or the piano black panel that leads into it. I dont like the weird angular futuristic vents in the front or the smallish screen in the front of the driver. I do like the seats - I think they are more comfortable.
At the end of the day, I will pass on a new model for now... Maybe it will grow on me over time.
PS - I was also told about a phase-out of V8 engines by 2025.
Road presence seems a bit off to me - especially with the smaller headlights and smaller grille then prior gen.
I did not drive it, but sat in one for a while, playing with buttons. My initial impression, having had both the W221 S600 and W222 S550, is that I dont quite like it. I dont like the big infotainment touch screen, or the piano black panel that leads into it. I dont like the weird angular futuristic vents in the front or the smallish screen in the front of the driver. I do like the seats - I think they are more comfortable.
At the end of the day, I will pass on a new model for now... Maybe it will grow on me over time.
PS - I was also told about a phase-out of V8 engines by 2025.
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After your test drive, did you find it drove ok or do you think the rear wheel steering is a must? After my test drive, although the new heads up display isn't a "must", I really liked it and it will be a must for my purchase.
Also, what is your dealers guess as to when they will release the 2022s?
Also, what is your dealers guess as to when they will release the 2022s?
My dealer is estimating 2022's will be available around Sept or Oct. depending on how quickly the 2021's are sold out.
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Yeah, just like the 2021 were delivered the first half of 2021, still waiting on my 2021!
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After your test drive, did you find it drove ok or do you think the rear wheel steering is a must? After my test drive, although the new heads up display isn't a "must", I really liked it and it will be a must for my purchase.
Also, what is your dealers guess as to when they will release the 2022s?
Also, what is your dealers guess as to when they will release the 2022s?
My dealer has filled out all MY21 allocations and is saying to expect a fall release for 22's but the chip situation is constantly affecting and changing things, not to mention MB is prioritizing the EQS for Q4 this year.
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I would highly recommend the 4.5 degree RWS option, definitely worth the cost. While the only non-RWS models I've driven are W222's, the 223 when optioned with RWS is far more maneuverable and very noticeable in tight turns.
My dealer has filled out all MY21 allocations and is saying to expect a fall release for 22's but the chip situation is constantly affecting and changing things, not to mention MB is prioritizing the EQS for Q4 this year.
My dealer has filled out all MY21 allocations and is saying to expect a fall release for 22's but the chip situation is constantly affecting and changing things, not to mention MB is prioritizing the EQS for Q4 this year.
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My 22 was ordered with 3D Technology and 4.5 degree RWS, and the dealer says no options were deleted (so far). There is temptation to buy a known car now, but I can wait if I know my 2022 will eventually arrive as ordered. Yours and others feedback on the RWS is a big deciding factor. Thanks!
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[QUOTE=ALANPRIEBE;8383593]If the options weren't on constraint you should be good to go! My CT6 with 3.5 rear steering drives like a much smaller car, 4.5 should be even better
I hope I can be as patient as you! Seriously, looking forward to getting it.
ahhh...so the wait.
I hope I can be as patient as you! Seriously, looking forward to getting it.
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[QUOTE=Vegas Benz;8383604]AHHH, Wait, I don't think so! I just got a call from my salesperson, my car was released to the carrier this morning, should pick it up this Saturday! Had him send a new MSRP Sheet, no deletions, no credit and no missing options!
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Totally blown away by it. I just returned home and was parked at friend’s home inside his roundabout driveway. I was parked backward (with front of car facing the home and the driveway exit was to my immediate right). I had to do a 180deg turn to right to exit. Any other car this size or even smaller I would of had to forward and reverse one or two times. I literally cut the wheels full right and it effortlessly made the 180 deg turn and drove away. My friend actually called me right away and said “WTF did I just see?!” LOL
I think MB says it turns similar to an A class!
Lovin’ it.
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[QUOTE=ALANPRIEBE;8383625]Post pictures and let us know what you like and don't like. Glad your wait is almost over!
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If you think 4.5 deg RWS is “better,” imagine if you tried 10 deg!
Totally blown away by it. I just returned home and was parked at friend’s home inside his roundabout driveway. I was parked backward (with front of car facing the home and the driveway exit was to my immediate right). I had to do a 180deg turn to right to exit. Any other car this size or even smaller I would of had to forward and reverse one or two times. I literally cut the wheels full right and it effortlessly made the 180 deg turn and drove away. My friend actually called me right away and said “WTF did I just see?!” LOL
I think MB says it turns similar to an A class!
Lovin’ it.
Totally blown away by it. I just returned home and was parked at friend’s home inside his roundabout driveway. I was parked backward (with front of car facing the home and the driveway exit was to my immediate right). I had to do a 180deg turn to right to exit. Any other car this size or even smaller I would of had to forward and reverse one or two times. I literally cut the wheels full right and it effortlessly made the 180 deg turn and drove away. My friend actually called me right away and said “WTF did I just see?!” LOL
I think MB says it turns similar to an A class!
Lovin’ it.
