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“From a development perspective, everything that we're currently developing from now on will be EV-only,” said Christoph Starzynski, vice president of electric drive at Mercedes. “The next S-Class will be fully electric only, there will be no ICE or hybrid version anymore as of right now.” - Autoweek

SW20S

Makes sense

Baloo588

They should of made the chassis of the current s class to be able to accommodate electric and gas powertrain like the new BMW 7. The eqs is ugly and shouldn't be sold along side the new S.

Wolfman

Except that's a really dumb idea to use a non-dedicated EV platform. The design of the body is another issue altogether...

ajm0623

im holding on to my '20 s560 like grim death.

SW20S

Thats why the new 7 is so strangely tall looking...

Bubba1

The S580 is a keeper

teksurv

Time will tell. BMW believes that having a given platform that can be powered by ICE or EV at the onset gives flexibility in the market near-term. The EQS/EQE shows how the Germans can do it wrong in the EV space.

SW20S

I actually think the EQS SUV is way better looking than the EQS or EQE...

teksurv

I tend to agree. The EQS SUV looks pretty good on the outside. The sedans/saloons though...

MBS63AMG

My 2019 as well. I have absolutely no interest in electric vehicles and along with all of the reported gremlins of the W223 has turned me off. The new SL and CLS are grabbing my attention though.

Baloo588

I agree. I am glad I got the S580. Its a timeless design.

Wolfman

The EQC is based on the same ICE/Hybrid/EV setup and it makes for an inferior EV design.
Also time will tell how successful the EQS/EQE’s will be. I am not sure what you think they did wrong?

teksurv

My comment on what went wrong with the EQS/EQE (This is my opinion, seemingly shared by some) is with primarily the exterior design. Often referred to as a blob, melted jellybean, etc. As another poster mentioned if you removed the badging, would you think it was a Mercedes-Benz? I wouldn't. Other ground up EV manufacturers are making attractive vehicles. MB could have done better, subjective of course.

Streamliner

To me, the EQS just isn’t a vehicle worthy of the “S” moniker. It’s not a bad car, but it’s not an S. When I test drove one, it felt like maybe a nice E Class. I feel the exterior is really unattractive, lacking the stately presence an S Class should have. I thought the interior was too spartan, with goofy details such as the long, skinny air vents, the big, open space under the center stack and the cramped rear seat area. I know that the car has to be very slippery to get the mileage up—which, by the way, is still not great—but they gave up too much style for aerodynamics. They should have started building all other classes as electrics and gone for the S Class, when they had all the other models under their belt and all the issues worked out. Of course, it all just my opinion.

SW20S

This is totally accurate. It feels like an E Class in interior finish for sure. I liken it to the GLS, which is the "S Class of SUVs', but its not an S Class inside for sure. Mercedes is saying in this very article that the EQS will not replace the S Class, there will be a next gen EV S Class which is good news.

Personally, I would love an EV S Class. That is an EV that looks like and is finished like an S Class. An EV powertrain is perfect for a car like the S Class.

Wolfman

What is interesting is that when the EQS was in the early stages of design some 5 to 6 years ago it was reported that the car would not be an S-model but rather fall in-between the E and the S.
I feel this is where is car actually should be placed. But it costs MB more to produce an EQS than a S-Class and offers slimmer margins, at least for the time being. It is the S equivalent for them for that reason alone.

That said, my comment was based on the commercial success of the EQ models for MB. I haven't seen anything that suggests that they are not successful. The bigger question will be down the line of how well the residual was calculated and if MBFS will take a hit on them at auction. They certainly did on the W222 S-Class...

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The electric S-Class will start in 2027

*Translated from German

Based on the MB.EA-L, the electric S-Class will start in 2027

Deliveries of the electric S-Class EQS started in August 2021. The "real" S-Class of the 223 series has been rolling off the assembly line in Sindelfingen in Factory 56 since autumn 2020.




Mercedes EQSCustomers are currently still waiting for the introduction of the S 63 AMG E Performance .

But in 2027, the EQS series and the S-Class will be reunited and will have a common successor.

This successor will be based on the MB.EA-L platform.

The MRA2 platform is the basis of the current C-Class and S-Class. At the beginning of 2023, the new E-Class (W214) will also start on this basis.

The MB.EA platform will start in 2025 with the all-electric C-Class and the all-electric GLC. They are built in the plants in Bremen and Kecskemét, Hungary.





The Mercedes plant in Sindelfingen would like to apply internally for the construction of the MB.EA-L derivatives and sees itself in a good position to be awarded the contract. In this case, MB.EA-L stands for Large. So these are the big vehicles on this platform.

The MB.EA platform differs in medium size vehicles (such as C-Class and GLC) and large seats (MB.EA-L e.g. the S-Class)



The current series (W/S/Z223) will probably have a slightly longer lifecycle beyond 2028 and will enable customers/markets without an electrical infrastructure to continue driving a Mercedes S-Class.

Streamliner

SO, the current EQS really ISN’T an electric S Class, is it?

bishop64

Yes, as far as from what I have read so far, EQS is not an electric S Class. (How can a real S Class be hatchback ?)

Tjdehya

The EQS is the S class of EVs, not an EV S class. I dont think it was ever marketed by MB as an EV S class.
However everyone compares it to the S class when MB calls it the S class of EVs.
As someone that went from a E class to an S class then to the EQS, the vehicle does indeed feel as though I am back in an E class. (Maybe more like the CLS than E class)
The exterior design of the EQS is a failure... I don't know what they were thinking...
I will be looking forward to getting back up to a real S class in 2027.

Baloo588

Thats what I have been telling everyone in person.. The EQS is not an S class and sits below the S class and is the top of the line for the electric lineup. Mercedes missed the ball on this and should of released both the current generation S class with both ICE and electric engines like the new BMW 7 and I7. The EQS looks like a platypus and not worthy of Mercedes moniker.

Germancar1

No they got the idea right, a separate dedicated EV, but they goofed the design and the back seat. When you try to make an EV out of an ICE vehicle which is what BMW did you wind up with an half-arsed vehicle that is compromised on both side of the coin. BMW is just being cheap. Mercedes tried this too with the EQC and it got pulled from the U.S. market before it went on sale because it was a joke as an EV, trying to convert a GLC to an EV. The BMW i7 is already compromised in range compared to the dedicated EVs in the same space.

I just hope they get the next one right, because as I said when the "EQS" arrived it was just a placeholder until they can make a true electric S-Class. No more of this weird/ugly design. Lets get a looker like the W223 as an EV and then you have winner. I always said that the entire EQ marketing will be dropped once the conversion happens with all MB vehicles.

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SW20S

The guys in the EQS forum must love you lol

crabman

When bangle butt hit it was largely panned outside of a few defenders, when it went away very few of those few defenders complained. I think you'll see the same thing with the EQS: Most find it awkward at best; after the current shape is gone, few will miss it. That's my fearless guess.

What I find most interesting is the thought process. Looking at the drag coefficients for the S and EQS, the difference is so tiny there is no chance I go with the current styling (for that gain) if I'm the final word making the call. They had to know it would be generally considered unattractive. They also know unattractive isn't a big selling point. It's an odd choice and I don't get the thinking.