Do you think the new 7 Series is going to end up a total disaster?
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not sure E65 was a sales disaster.
however much the Bangle-butt design was controversial, the actual sales numbers really didn't take much hit. Especially if you consider the global market. the US market is big, but BMW (and Mercedes) is targeting global sales at the end of the day. I don't think E65 generation really didn't suffer at all.
I have absolutely no doubt that G70 series will do just fine.
Personally, I can't get over some of the design elements, but I'm reading a lot of positive reviews as well.
Just look at W223. about year or two ago, this very forum was full of posts disgusted with how terrible W223 are and that is it a disgrace for S-class name, etc...
the sales figures are just fine.
however much the Bangle-butt design was controversial, the actual sales numbers really didn't take much hit. Especially if you consider the global market. the US market is big, but BMW (and Mercedes) is targeting global sales at the end of the day. I don't think E65 generation really didn't suffer at all.
I have absolutely no doubt that G70 series will do just fine.
Personally, I can't get over some of the design elements, but I'm reading a lot of positive reviews as well.
Just look at W223. about year or two ago, this very forum was full of posts disgusted with how terrible W223 are and that is it a disgrace for S-class name, etc...
the sales figures are just fine.
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Bangle was soundly beat up considering the entire industry jumped on all of his styling cues except for the rather unfortunate "bangle-butt." To me this makes it a bit sad that despite being among the most influential (and copied) designers in the new millennium he is remembered for the one blunder more than the overwhelming success of the rest of his work. As to the current BMW styling I'm not personally getting past the proboscis; I say proboscis because the word grill doesn't seem to fully describe what's going on. The real problem we're facing with styling elements like the oversized grills is that they weren't designed for the NA market. China loves them and has a billion more people to sell cars to in a global economy. This is why as late as Feb this year, BMW proclaimed they're sticking with it and unapologetic; they actually said that, sticking with it and unapologetic. I suppose I cant blame them for catering to a market which is projected to surpass the NA market in the not so distant future.
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Same with Audi, BMW is claiming the same although I haven't seen numbers. If you think back to Bangle-butt those also sold, although they stopped the infestation at the E60 sparing the 3 series from the same fate. That was due to the complaints, a bit different now though considering the greater influence of other markets.
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No, I don't mean a sales success. The E65 7-series basically all became totaled by 80k miles because they are ****. My W220 is going strong with 250k miles on it, b/c Mercedes Numbah One!
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They moved some E65s and it's reputation for being a garage queen slowed it down far more than anything. My wife had an E60 and it was by the numbers slightly more reliable than the 65's and yet it was by far the least reliable car we've ever owned. You're talking a Jaguar, Land Rover, had a Triumph back in the day, etc. One way to scale it was that at the 5000-mile mark more than half the miles on the car were from trips to the dealership for repairs. That would have skewed even higher if you added in the trips on a flatbed. This is my point, I don't think the E65 sales slowed down because of the styling, it was moving well when introduced. It along with E60 were horrible in ownership. Constant breakdowns that usually required reprogramming that the dealers were ill prepared to perform and always took at least a day. I'm assuming we're talking about the styling here with the new variant, or am I off base? If we're talking styling, I don't feel like it's been too much of a sticking point with similar hardware in the past, cars were getting sold with most of the controversial models in recent memory.
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Im still on the fence about it, however, if it was out right now I probably would have leaned further towards it as for the last 3 years I've had a 750 and my wife loved it. The gas version in that matte black with M sport looks excellent and hides alot of the front lines that are so controversial. The things that REALLY turned me off are those dumb crystals inside the cabin, crystal light bars, that big dumb TV. I mean Im all for rear TV's, but how on earth do you watch a 40" 8k TV like 4 inches from your face. Also how do you see out of the rear view monitor then. Those Auto open/close doors though, I wish MB thought of this for the new S580 I think this a super lux touch. Lots of good and bad about this thing, just like the first time we all saw the new S
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The E65 was way ahead of its time. A lot of tech for a car in the early 2000s, blew away the W220 at the time too.
The new 7 will be a complete game changer.
The new 7 will be a complete game changer.
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The W220 was way ahead of its time with technology that still rivals most cars... and they're still on the road. That's the Mercedes difference.
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The 31-inch rear screen is going to be interesting. ASAIK, the only use of the full 8k is Sony console gaming (great for the kids who usually sit in the back?). Most, if not all, movies are still 4k. But I think you can play a movie in not-so-ultra-wide-screen mode and have some empty space on the sides to show other important stuff in real time. I reckon, the next step of evolution is to have the screen movable/detachable from the roof (ie screen held by a 360-degree folding arm and can be 'pulled down' so that the screen can act as a table right in front of the rear passenger executive seat, and the CEO passenger can pull up various pdf files and pics to manipulate/play.) But, one thing has to solved right now is the heat generated by the 31-inch screen.
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The Complicated Legacy of the Mercedes-Benz W220 S-Class
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The 220's had its fair share of good and bad...
The Complicated Legacy of the Mercedes-Benz W220 S-Class
The Complicated Legacy of the Mercedes-Benz W220 S-Class
Also that article has no idea what it's talking about:
"The 1996 W210 E-class was arguably worse, one of its foibles a diesel engine racked by an issue called Black Death."
The W210 E-Class Diesel is one of the greatest all time Mercedes
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Mine has about 250k miles on it and is running and driving extraordinarily well. An equivalent BMW E65 from that era would have **** the bed three times over already.
Also that article has no idea what it's talking about:
"The 1996 W210 E-class was arguably worse, one of its foibles a diesel engine racked by an issue called Black Death."
The W210 E-Class Diesel is one of the greatest all time Mercedes
Also that article has no idea what it's talking about:
"The 1996 W210 E-class was arguably worse, one of its foibles a diesel engine racked by an issue called Black Death."
The W210 E-Class Diesel is one of the greatest all time Mercedes
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Im still on the fence about it, however, if it was out right now I probably would have leaned further towards it as for the last 3 years I've had a 750 and my wife loved it. The gas version in that matte black with M sport looks excellent and hides alot of the front lines that are so controversial. The things that REALLY turned me off are those dumb crystals inside the cabin, crystal light bars, that big dumb TV. I mean Im all for rear TV's, but how on earth do you watch a 40" 8k TV like 4 inches from your face. Also how do you see out of the rear view monitor then. Those Auto open/close doors though, I wish MB thought of this for the new S580 I think this a super lux touch. Lots of good and bad about this thing, just like the first time we all saw the new S
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Mine has about 250k miles on it and is running and driving extraordinarily well. An equivalent BMW E65 from that era would have **** the bed three times over already.
Also that article has no idea what it's talking about:
"The 1996 W210 E-class was arguably worse, one of its foibles a diesel engine racked by an issue called Black Death."
The W210 E-Class Diesel is one of the greatest all time Mercedes
Also that article has no idea what it's talking about:
"The 1996 W210 E-class was arguably worse, one of its foibles a diesel engine racked by an issue called Black Death."
The W210 E-Class Diesel is one of the greatest all time Mercedes
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Back to the topic on hand, the 7 will sell even with its ugly looks. Its a BMW at the end of the day and they still have a large appeal to those on the market. Honestly if they designed the front to be more elegant and cohesive it could’ve been a home run, but that front end is a no go for me. The interior is very nice at least.
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The M113 V8 is bulletproof, and the M275 is still used today. History has been unkind to the w220. It's the last driver's mercedes S-Class.
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