My S580 STRANDED ME!
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So, I guess the days of driving to the airport, leaving your car in the long term lot and going to Maui for two weeks are over, right? The real problem, is that MB & most other automakers don’t tell their customers about these types of issues until AFTER they experience problems. If I need to drive a current MB differently than, let’s say a five year older model, then MB needs to tell me this, BEFORE I take delivery, not after their vehicle strands me somewhere.
E.g., Good luck with a Tesla with the 12V battery discharges and you can’t get in!
Two weeks is fine - it’s 3 weeks or more that could be problematic.
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Actually, this is clearly stated in the owners’ manual. Going back to my 2015 C63 507 and with my 2019 AMG GTC and 2019 G550 - all clearly stated. This is the case with any modern car.
E.g., Good luck with a Tesla with the 12V battery discharges and you can’t get in!
Two weeks is fine - it’s 3 weeks or more that could be problematic.
E.g., Good luck with a Tesla with the 12V battery discharges and you can’t get in!
Two weeks is fine - it’s 3 weeks or more that could be problematic.
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I guess at the same time MB pricing Maybach to RR is suicide because why would anyone buy a Maybach over a RR at that point (other than those who don't like attention, which I get it, a very valid Reason).
BMW also priced the XM as the Urus, CEO themselves said XM is for Urus buyers who want a BMW.
BMW also priced the XM as the Urus, CEO themselves said XM is for Urus buyers who want a BMW.
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Sorry, thats crap. I have parked every car I have ever owned for weeks at a time without a charger and have never had any issue, including my 2020 W222 S560. It would never occur to me to consider that to be something I could not do. Like Stream said, what about at an airport? If they truly designed the car to require that it be hooked to a trickle charger when parked, even for 3 weeks, then the vehicle is poorly designed.
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Nah, I think realistically you're looking at some middle ground. It's not unusual on other forums to see people needing to put their cars on chargers; that I can recall recently, outside of this forum you could also see it over at Porsche and Jaguar. Not everyone, some people.
I think the worst car I had for battery was an E92. At the time I had really wanted the M5 but my wife had an early E60 and it was a horror story. I test drove the 3 for that reason and knew I would be ordering one before I got a block from the dealership.
That car disconnected the alternator when you were having fun to increase power. Remember that's back at the last of the bespoke days and there were some crazy gear heads getting a lot of input into the design. It's how you end up with a V8 revving north of 8k connected to a DCT that has 7 forward gears with 7th being direct: No overdrive.
Of course that had me beating the crap out of it constantly and the battery was always weak or dead. It lived on a charger but I surely loved it all the same. Single digit economy, 3k rpm on the freeway; you forgive a lot when the upside is there.
I'm any event that's maybe as bad as it gets for battery? Some cars have no issues, I get that and agree it should be the case with every car. I don't think it is though, this is not an unusual problem and this isn't the only place it's happening.
I think the worst car I had for battery was an E92. At the time I had really wanted the M5 but my wife had an early E60 and it was a horror story. I test drove the 3 for that reason and knew I would be ordering one before I got a block from the dealership.
That car disconnected the alternator when you were having fun to increase power. Remember that's back at the last of the bespoke days and there were some crazy gear heads getting a lot of input into the design. It's how you end up with a V8 revving north of 8k connected to a DCT that has 7 forward gears with 7th being direct: No overdrive.
Of course that had me beating the crap out of it constantly and the battery was always weak or dead. It lived on a charger but I surely loved it all the same. Single digit economy, 3k rpm on the freeway; you forgive a lot when the upside is there.
I'm any event that's maybe as bad as it gets for battery? Some cars have no issues, I get that and agree it should be the case with every car. I don't think it is though, this is not an unusual problem and this isn't the only place it's happening.
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Battery could need to be replaced too. My parents have a brand new Infiniti. Needed a new battery in the first week of ownership - just wouldn't hold a charge very long. If they parked it and kept the radio on for 10 minutes, it wouldn't start.
New 12V and it's fine.
But you cannot expect to leave the car for 3 weeks or longer without plugging it into a charger, for any modern car. Nature of the beast.
New 12V and it's fine.
But you cannot expect to leave the car for 3 weeks or longer without plugging it into a charger, for any modern car. Nature of the beast.
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The irony is they have been on sale from $10k off within the first week of arriving at dealers... Its already a sales failure. Meanwhile the G-Wagon, RSQ8, and Range Rover are still in high demand.
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The G-Wagon will always be in high demand (unless MB messes it up, which is unlikely).
The XM is ridiculous. Honestly, I think every current BMW is a Disaster.
The XM is ridiculous. Honestly, I think every current BMW is a Disaster.
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Just chiming in to say the same. I do 3-4 week long trips once a year, two week long trips quite often, and never had issues except with my Lexus due to an add-on part which caused a parasitic drain, luckily I installed it in the glovebox so before long trips I would just unplug it. If your car doesn't last a few weeks then you have a parasitic drain or an old battery.
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FWIW, MB's with MBUX seem to have significant higher standby power requirements than the older Command ones. Less software, older network, less computing power and/or less finicky software programming. The W223 will definitely have a higher drain on the car than a W222.
Something older cars or cars with less electronics just don't have...
Something older cars or cars with less electronics just don't have...
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FWIW, MB's with MBUX seem to have significant higher standby power requirements than the older Command ones. Less software, older network, less computing power and/or less finicky software programming. The W223 will definitely have a higher drain on the car than a W222.
Something older cars or cars with less electronics just don't have...
Something older cars or cars with less electronics just don't have...
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I don't see how you can say thats true...this is an issue with this car...I don't see this issue on forums that I frequent dedicated to other similar cars. This is a 48V mild hybrid, there should be PLENTY of energy stored in batteries for it to sit for 3 weeks and still start.
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I don't see how you can say thats true...this is an issue with this car...I don't see this issue on forums that I frequent dedicated to other similar cars. This is a 48V mild hybrid, there should be PLENTY of energy stored in batteries for it to sit for 3 weeks and still start.
I stated that all newer cars have a higher draw on standby than older models.This includes the W223 as well as Audis, Porsche, Bentleys and otherwise. Not sure what the surprise is. We are not discussing Streamliners car, that has been done ad nauseam...
In the case of MB, MBUX cars report more critical battery states which to me has always been overkill. I get these messages every week, never cared and the car has always started and worked flawlessly. Certain convenience features maybe disabled unless a battery state is reached.
Am also referring to the W222 as an older model as much of the tech in the car goes back well over a decade (some is pre-2010 given MB's development cycle) disregarding the build-year.
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I refuse to believe that MB can't design a modern car that won't have the battery go dead if it sits for a couple weeks.
I get critical battery warnings on my 222 also, but it always starts. I just ignore them.
I get critical battery warnings on my 222 also, but it always starts. I just ignore them.
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I didn't argue that case and agree that a car should normally start in 2 weeks and they will likely do so, including a W223. But when you hit three or more weeks, there is a greater potential for failure and I have seen that on a number of models. Car dealers have showroom floor cars on trickle chargers for a reason and/or often lock cars to reduce the draw.
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Mine made it 3 weeks without a problem, several weeks a number of times; I do a lot of airport action. On the other hand when I was having it ceramic coated they left the key next to the car and my app was warning me of low battery the next morning when I woke up.
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Note, there is an option for Standby Mode in the Vehicle Settings menu for the W222 facelift that u can use for extended storage or parking, though I forgot to use it this time and it still started just fine. Not sure about W223.
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They made this video to shut up their customers. If you complain, they send this and tell you to not to bring your car in. Funny that I have never once heard one of their Taycans squeal, or SUVs that are on the lot.
Anyway, most other brands have engineered good braking without the noise.
Anyway, most other brands have engineered good braking without the noise.
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Although unlikely, I wonder if this XM will have to deal with discounts of a the initial failed launch (due to pricing) the current 8-series endured.
