My S580 STRANDED ME!
05-20-2023, 10:44 AM
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My thing here is that I want to try “DIFFERENT.” I know that the 6 will not have the “OOMPH” that the 8 has, but I had the 8 and virtually never used the additional power. Like some, I previously popped for their “made-up” Executive Line model, because I wanted the 10 degree rear axle steering. I enjoyed that feature, but not enough to pop for that model again. Even if I ultimately go for another S580, it won’t be an Executive Line model.
The last sedan I owned with a 6 was a 1992 Acura Legend. Since then, all of my sedans have been 8 or 12 cylinder models. But my S580 disappointed in the way the engine & transmission worked together, especially around town at lower speeds, enough so to add yet another annoyance to my daily driving. I have now been driving a 2023 GLE350 loaner for the past TWENTY-FOUR days and I must say that I have been blown away at the performance of that little four-banger. The engineers at MB designed a jewel of an engine there and I am hoping that the S500 might have similar qualities. We shall see.
The last sedan I owned with a 6 was a 1992 Acura Legend. Since then, all of my sedans have been 8 or 12 cylinder models. But my S580 disappointed in the way the engine & transmission worked together, especially around town at lower speeds, enough so to add yet another annoyance to my daily driving. I have now been driving a 2023 GLE350 loaner for the past TWENTY-FOUR days and I must say that I have been blown away at the performance of that little four-banger. The engineers at MB designed a jewel of an engine there and I am hoping that the S500 might have similar qualities. We shall see.
05-20-2023, 11:50 AM
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I actually totally hated the 4cyl in the GLE350 and the E350 I had as loaners. To each their own I suppose 
I do like that engine in the GLC, but not in the GLE or E Class.
Honestly, I think you should move on to another model and make.
I do like that engine in the GLC, but not in the GLE or E Class.
Honestly, I think you should move on to another model and make.
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05-20-2023, 12:59 PM
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We just drove this 2023 GLE 350 on a three hour trip up to Santa Barbara. I sure missed my Distronic Plus and my Massage Seats, but I had not one complaint about the engine. Coming back, we went up the Conejo Grade, which is 7% and goes for about 4 miles. I fully expected several downshifts, but the GLE just plowed up the grade with power to spare and zero drama.
As with most every GLE350 I have driven—and that’s several, as I get them as loaners and we all know how many times my S580 has been in the shop—there is an annoying 2-1 downshift right before you come to a stop, which causes the vehicle to lunge forward, but with a bit of practice, I was able to counteract that most of the time. Our friend Wolfman has a GLE350 and perhaps he could give us his thoughts on the 4 cylinder engine.
05-20-2023, 01:31 PM
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AKAIK its the same engine...the 2024 refresh adds the 48V system which helps but the engine in that is the same as the engine in any other GLE350 you've driven...
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I’m sure you are right, but my experience is my experience. This GLE350 performs very nicely and I believe several refinements have taken place since it was first introduced.
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05-20-2023, 01:52 PM
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I think with the 48V system you would like it even more. I would still rather have a GLE450.
05-20-2023, 03:35 PM
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Well that was a good laugh. I'll forever think of the V8 223 as having a cork up its butt lol.
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On the 500 side I actually like the engine tone better. I'm not fond of the tuning in that regard on the 580 which sounds like they ran out of money and decided to ram a cork up its butt and call it good. While neither is great the V8 gets very poor marks from me. No V8 should sound like this one does.[/QUOTE]
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On the 500 side I actually like the engine tone better. I'm not fond of the tuning in that regard on the 580 which sounds like they ran out of money and decided to ram a cork up its butt and call it good. While neither is great the V8 gets very poor marks from me. No V8 should sound like this one does.[/QUOTE]
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My thing here is that I want to try “DIFFERENT.” I know that the 6 will not have the “OOMPH” that the 8 has, but I had the 8 and virtually never used the additional power. Like some, I previously popped for their “made-up” Executive Line model, because I wanted the 10 degree rear axle steering. I enjoyed that feature, but not enough to pop for that model again. Even if I ultimately go for another S580, it won’t be an Executive Line model.
The last sedan I owned with a 6 was a 1992 Acura Legend. Since then, all of my sedans have been 8 or 12 cylinder models. But my S580 disappointed in the way the engine & transmission worked together, especially around town at lower speeds, enough so to add yet another annoyance to my daily driving. I have now been driving a 2023 GLE350 loaner for the past TWENTY-FOUR days and I must say that I have been blown away at the performance of that little four-banger. The engineers at MB designed a jewel of an engine there and I am hoping that the S500 might have similar qualities. We shall see.
The last sedan I owned with a 6 was a 1992 Acura Legend. Since then, all of my sedans have been 8 or 12 cylinder models. But my S580 disappointed in the way the engine & transmission worked together, especially around town at lower speeds, enough so to add yet another annoyance to my daily driving. I have now been driving a 2023 GLE350 loaner for the past TWENTY-FOUR days and I must say that I have been blown away at the performance of that little four-banger. The engineers at MB designed a jewel of an engine there and I am hoping that the S500 might have similar qualities. We shall see.
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I was driving southbound on the 405 freeway in Long Beach, around early September of 1992. My Acura Legend was about two weeks old. I was in the fast lane, doing about 70 when I see this tire bound over the center divider from the opposite side of the freeway. I was in some traffic, so could not just swerve. As it bounded over the divider, it bounced one more time, high into the air and I knew it was going to hit me, so I hit the brakes and put my head down as close to the center console as possible, while trying to keep the car going straight. Glass went everywhere and I was so fortunate that I didn't hit anyone and nobody hit me. I got a few small cuts, but was otherwise unharmed, other than being freaked out. I pulled the car over to the center divider and it seemed like a Highway Patrol officer was there almost immediately. On the other side of the freeway, I could see a Suburban with one of its rear wheels missing. It had just left a tire shop where custom wheels had been fitted and they had not tightened the lug nuts. The vehicle was owned by Cormier Chevrolet.
My insurance company wanted to repair the Acura, but I had it towed to a high end body shop and the owner told me that writing a detailed estimate on the repair was going to be a big job. He also said that to simply cut the roof off and put another on would not be the proper way to do it. He said a jig needed to be built to support the body structure, so it did not sag when the roof was removed. He said he would charge me $1,000.00 to write the estimate, but also said that he could virtually guarantee that the car would be totaled using his estimate. I went for it and sure enough, the insurance company promptly totaled the Acura and I got a new one.
I had to get a lawyer and sue for damages as Cormier and the tire shop both refused to accept responsibility. They, of course settled. One amazing thing, is that the wheel was never found, at least not by anyone looking for it and it did not hit any other vehicles, which was incredible. It probably ended up in some nearby freeway landscaping.
My insurance company wanted to repair the Acura, but I had it towed to a high end body shop and the owner told me that writing a detailed estimate on the repair was going to be a big job. He also said that to simply cut the roof off and put another on would not be the proper way to do it. He said a jig needed to be built to support the body structure, so it did not sag when the roof was removed. He said he would charge me $1,000.00 to write the estimate, but also said that he could virtually guarantee that the car would be totaled using his estimate. I went for it and sure enough, the insurance company promptly totaled the Acura and I got a new one.
I had to get a lawyer and sue for damages as Cormier and the tire shop both refused to accept responsibility. They, of course settled. One amazing thing, is that the wheel was never found, at least not by anyone looking for it and it did not hit any other vehicles, which was incredible. It probably ended up in some nearby freeway landscaping.
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I was driving southbound on the 405 freeway in Long Beach, around early September of 1992. My Acura Legend was about two weeks old. I was in the fast lane, doing about 70 when I see this tire bound over the center divider from the opposite side of the freeway. I was in some traffic, so could not just swerve. As it bounded over the divider, it bounced one more time, high into the air and I knew it was going to hit me, so I hit the brakes and put my head down as close to the center console as possible, while trying to keep the car going straight. Glass went everywhere and I was so fortunate that I didn't hit anyone and nobody hit me. I got a few small cuts, but was otherwise unharmed, other than being freaked out. I pulled the car over to the center divider and it seemed like a Highway Patrol officer was there almost immediately. On the other side of the freeway, I could see a Suburban with one of its rear wheels missing. It had just left a tire shop where custom wheels had been fitted and they had not tightened the lug nuts. The vehicle was owned by Cormier Chevrolet.
My insurance company wanted to repair the Acura, but I had it towed to a high end body shop and the owner told me that writing a detailed estimate on the repair was going to be a big job. He also said that to simply cut the roof off and put another on would not be the proper way to do it. He said a jig needed to be built to support the body structure, so it did not sag when the roof was removed. He said he would charge me $1,000.00 to write the estimate, but also said that he could virtually guarantee that the car would be totaled using his estimate. I went for it and sure enough, the insurance company promptly totaled the Acura and I got a new one.
I had to get a lawyer and sue for damages as Cormier and the tire shop both refused to accept responsibility. They, of course settled. One amazing thing, is that the wheel was never found, at least not by anyone looking for it and it did not hit any other vehicles, which was incredible. It probably ended up in some nearby freeway landscaping.
My insurance company wanted to repair the Acura, but I had it towed to a high end body shop and the owner told me that writing a detailed estimate on the repair was going to be a big job. He also said that to simply cut the roof off and put another on would not be the proper way to do it. He said a jig needed to be built to support the body structure, so it did not sag when the roof was removed. He said he would charge me $1,000.00 to write the estimate, but also said that he could virtually guarantee that the car would be totaled using his estimate. I went for it and sure enough, the insurance company promptly totaled the Acura and I got a new one.
I had to get a lawyer and sue for damages as Cormier and the tire shop both refused to accept responsibility. They, of course settled. One amazing thing, is that the wheel was never found, at least not by anyone looking for it and it did not hit any other vehicles, which was incredible. It probably ended up in some nearby freeway landscaping.
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Over the years, we see companies make changes that make zero sense. I won’t mention W223 door handles, but how about Acura dropping the “Legend” model designation? Those were great cars for their time and they had a huge following. For Acura to leave the Legend nameplate behind was absolute idiocy, in my opinion. Honda never dropped “Accord” and it seems to have been a positive for them. Acura screwed up big time!
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I was driving southbound on the 405 freeway in Long Beach, around early September of 1992. My Acura Legend was about two weeks old. I was in the fast lane, doing about 70 when I see this tire bound over the center divider from the opposite side of the freeway. I was in some traffic, so could not just swerve. As it bounded over the divider, it bounced one more time, high into the air and I knew it was going to hit me, so I hit the brakes and put my head down as close to the center console as possible, while trying to keep the car going straight. Glass went everywhere and I was so fortunate that I didn't hit anyone and nobody hit me. I got a few small cuts, but was otherwise unharmed, other than being freaked out. I pulled the car over to the center divider and it seemed like a Highway Patrol officer was there almost immediately. On the other side of the freeway, I could see a Suburban with one of its rear wheels missing. It had just left a tire shop where custom wheels had been fitted and they had not tightened the lug nuts. The vehicle was owned by Cormier Chevrolet.
My insurance company wanted to repair the Acura, but I had it towed to a high end body shop and the owner told me that writing a detailed estimate on the repair was going to be a big job. He also said that to simply cut the roof off and put another on would not be the proper way to do it. He said a jig needed to be built to support the body structure, so it did not sag when the roof was removed. He said he would charge me $1,000.00 to write the estimate, but also said that he could virtually guarantee that the car would be totaled using his estimate. I went for it and sure enough, the insurance company promptly totaled the Acura and I got a new one.
I had to get a lawyer and sue for damages as Cormier and the tire shop both refused to accept responsibility. They, of course settled. One amazing thing, is that the wheel was never found, at least not by anyone looking for it and it did not hit any other vehicles, which was incredible. It probably ended up in some nearby freeway landscaping.
My insurance company wanted to repair the Acura, but I had it towed to a high end body shop and the owner told me that writing a detailed estimate on the repair was going to be a big job. He also said that to simply cut the roof off and put another on would not be the proper way to do it. He said a jig needed to be built to support the body structure, so it did not sag when the roof was removed. He said he would charge me $1,000.00 to write the estimate, but also said that he could virtually guarantee that the car would be totaled using his estimate. I went for it and sure enough, the insurance company promptly totaled the Acura and I got a new one.
I had to get a lawyer and sue for damages as Cormier and the tire shop both refused to accept responsibility. They, of course settled. One amazing thing, is that the wheel was never found, at least not by anyone looking for it and it did not hit any other vehicles, which was incredible. It probably ended up in some nearby freeway landscaping.
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Over the years, we see companies make changes that make zero sense. I won’t mention W223 door handles, but how about Acura dropping the “Legend” model designation? Those were great cars for their time and they had a huge following. For Acura to leave the Legend nameplate behind was absolute idiocy, in my opinion. Honda never dropped “Accord” and it seems to have been a positive for them. Acura screwed up big time!
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For anyone still interested, today—well, today is already gone—so as of tomorrow, 5/23, my car has been at the dealer for 27 days. I give it about a 50/50 chance that I get the car back before this one incident hits the Magic 30 day threshold. As of tomorrow, my 2022 S580 has spent 47 days at the dealer for non-scheduled maintenance. MBUSA called me and sent an email, saying that they are “researching” my case to determine if my car qualifies for a repurchase. They say this research may take up to 4 to 6 weeks. I am really starting to wonder if I will EVER get my car back. I give that about 50/50 as well. Tick-Tock……..
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So, I just dropped the car off to the local shop here in Germany and they said it's not normal that battery drains after several days and should not have to resort to Standby Mode. At first, they were reluctant to give me a loaner car but after expressing my discontent respectfully, they gave me an EQS since they don't have an S-Class on hand. Their excuse was it has to be an AMG in order to get a loaner car. I asked how come an A Class AMG can get loaner but not a $150K Mercedes S Class? As I was going to cancel my appointment, the head mechanic called someone on the phone and to my surprise they approved a loaner car for me.
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Over the years, we see companies make changes that make zero sense. I won’t mention W223 door handles, but how about Acura dropping the “Legend” model designation? Those were great cars for their time and they had a huge following. For Acura to leave the Legend nameplate behind was absolute idiocy, in my opinion. Honda never dropped “Accord” and it seems to have been a positive for them. Acura screwed up big time!
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Well, they both have six cylinders, but isn’t it amazing that we are talking so much about a Porsche SUV, as a possible substitute for an S Class sedan? In 2014, I had a loaded ML350BT. It had AirMatic and I even opted for what they called “ActiveCurve” at the time, which was a very expensive suspension option that supposedly improved the ride. I got out of it after about a year, as I missed the comfy ride of my big S Class sedan. Indeed, the ride quality of SUV’s has improved significantly since then and the new Cayenne is supposed to deliver a much improved ride over the previous generation, especially when equipped with the air springs, but I’m not sure it will take the cake when I make a decision.
I have lined up an extended test drive in an S500 without EABC. I’ll have the car long enough to drive it over my daily commute, which in my S580 is quite annoying. If I’m impressed, I will most likely go that way. If not, I’ll be taking a hard look at the new Cayenne and other possibilities.
I have lined up an extended test drive in an S500 without EABC. I’ll have the car long enough to drive it over my daily commute, which in my S580 is quite annoying. If I’m impressed, I will most likely go that way. If not, I’ll be taking a hard look at the new Cayenne and other possibilities.
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Well, I just picked up the car, they can't find what's wrong with it but did a software update. They did an extensive test but cannot find anything wrong, so I decided to pick it and will just bring it back if it happens again. Interestingly enough, I dropped it last Wednesday and is now Friday afternoon here and the car has not discharged yet. Very promising.
