My S580 STRANDED ME!
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I drove a Chevy Volt for about 2-months without using much gasoline. Just filled car up once since EV range was about 34-miles. Even the wife liked that Volt and she hates most of my cars since 1996 ball and chain. GM/ALLY had to cancel my lease because had too much positive equity with my two trades: 2010 Chevy 2SS/RS Transformers Edition Camaro manual and 2010 Honda Fit manual.Took both cars across the street to the Honda Dealership and leased a 2012 CRZ Hybrid manual with no payments for 3-years and the Dealership cut me an $8K Check! Eventually traded CRZ on 2020 CRV Hybrid that dear wife currently drives at GA Residence.
EVs are a great appliance for me driving around town or to even leave at the local Airport 45-miles away. If PhD wifey kept her job at the local University instead of going Rogue to the USDA in Athens, maybe she would have had some bare bones Base EV Model. Not giving up on Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars...maybe will have one purchase left in my Retirement for a Hydrogen Toyota Supra with BMW inline-6 or Hydrogen Jeep Wrangler/Defender 90? The Wife and Kids are on their own since gave them all new Asian CUVs recently.
I wonder what the Theft Rate is for the i7 or EQS450? That might be one reason to Lease a high end EV with discounted lease payments. I mean who would steal a computer mouse or Chinese Edsel? LOL
EVs are a great appliance for me driving around town or to even leave at the local Airport 45-miles away. If PhD wifey kept her job at the local University instead of going Rogue to the USDA in Athens, maybe she would have had some bare bones Base EV Model. Not giving up on Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars...maybe will have one purchase left in my Retirement for a Hydrogen Toyota Supra with BMW inline-6 or Hydrogen Jeep Wrangler/Defender 90? The Wife and Kids are on their own since gave them all new Asian CUVs recently.
I wonder what the Theft Rate is for the i7 or EQS450? That might be one reason to Lease a high end EV with discounted lease payments. I mean who would steal a computer mouse or Chinese Edsel? LOL
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Mercedes already struck a deal with Tesla to use the Superchargers. That will alleviate the pain of long trips, unless you plan on 900 mile days. I've got about 75k electric miles spread between half a dozen cars.
The Tesla deal is HUGE. Adapters/Access in 2024, new cars shipped with the Tesla port in 2025.
If you are under 300 miles per day at 75 mph, maybe 240 in cold weather - then you will never worry about fueling.
The Lucid Air adds something like 200 miles in 10 minutes at a fast charger. It's not as luxurious as the Benz or i7 though.
The Tesla deal is HUGE. Adapters/Access in 2024, new cars shipped with the Tesla port in 2025.
If you are under 300 miles per day at 75 mph, maybe 240 in cold weather - then you will never worry about fueling.
The Lucid Air adds something like 200 miles in 10 minutes at a fast charger. It's not as luxurious as the Benz or i7 though.
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Mercedes already struck a deal with Tesla to use the Superchargers. That will alleviate the pain of long trips, unless you plan on 900 mile days. I've got about 75k electric miles spread between half a dozen cars.
The Tesla deal is HUGE. Adapters/Access in 2024, new cars shipped with the Tesla port in 2025.
If you are under 300 miles per day at 75 mph, maybe 240 in cold weather - then you will never worry about fueling.
The Lucid Air adds something like 200 miles in 10 minutes at a fast charger. It's not as luxurious as the Benz or i7 though.
The Tesla deal is HUGE. Adapters/Access in 2024, new cars shipped with the Tesla port in 2025.
If you are under 300 miles per day at 75 mph, maybe 240 in cold weather - then you will never worry about fueling.
The Lucid Air adds something like 200 miles in 10 minutes at a fast charger. It's not as luxurious as the Benz or i7 though.
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Frustration started when we moved to other EVs and the public chargers didn't work. And my god was it frustrating.
Here's a theoretical trip plan for the EQS 450. LA-Seattle. 1100 miles, 90 minutes of charging over four stops.
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EQS50 vs S560 the EQS paying for EA will be cheaper.
EA charges 0.36 per kWh (with a $4.00 monthly fee 0.48 without) EQS has a range of 340 for a 107.8 kWh battery
Cost per 100 miles $11.41 with monthly fee $15.2 without.
Average price of premium in US $4.41 S560 highway mileage 27 mpg $16.31
My home charging rates are 0.09 per kWh so if you are charging at home the $11.41 turns into $2.85 or nearly 1/6 the cost of the S Class. assuming highway mileage which if you use EPA average of 21 the $16.31 becomes $20.97
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If you compare the S560 to and EQS580 the S560 has a total emission of 504 grams per mile vs an EQS580 of 150. For 12000 miles per year of driving this is a difference of 4.7 tons of CO2 per year.
From a McKinsey report it takes about 100 kg C02 to produce 1 kWh of battery. For the EQS the breakeven emission point would be 2.5 years relative to driving an S560 assuming 12000 miles per year.
It would be fair to claim that the payback for a pure EV is pretty far out vs like a Prius plug-in.
But that wasn't what was stated.
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Guess it depends where you live. Here in Texas electricity is expensive and gas is cheap. EVgo charges me $.56 per kWh and gas is $3/gallon. So its simply not economical if you live in an apartment and have to rely on public charging, Luckily I live in a house and can charge at night while I sleep. They do have lots of free level 2 chargers though like at the mall and movie theater and parking is usually up front near the entrance too.
Personally though I don't do it for the Co2 emissions. I do it because the oil and gas industry is a racket that has directly or indirectly killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of people over the decades that it has existed. Driving an EV liberates me from their strangle hold on my life.
Personally though I don't do it for the Co2 emissions. I do it because the oil and gas industry is a racket that has directly or indirectly killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of people over the decades that it has existed. Driving an EV liberates me from their strangle hold on my life.
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Personally though I don't do it for the Co2 emissions. I do it because the oil and gas industry is a racket that has directly or indirectly killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of people over the decades that it has existed. Driving an EV liberates me from their strangle hold on my life.
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Well, this thread has taken a few turns, hasn’t it?
I was contacted my Sedgwick a few weeks ago and am still awaiting their “offer” on the “repurchase” of my S580. In the meantime, I have been hoping that MBUSA might cough up some incentive $$$ if I go with another new or CPO MB—as they did when they bought back my 2020 S560–but I’ve heard nothing from them—and I’ve asked! Perhaps with two lemons in a row, they would prefer I take my business elsewhere, which is what I most likely will do anyway, but after 17 new MB’s—all of which were enjoyed by yours truly, with the exception of the current car—it hurts to see them showing me the door.
I have gone round & around looking at alternatives:
Range Rover: Probably too much drama.
CPO S560: Nearly impossible to find equipped as I want, with super low miles.
CPO S650: Too long.
New GLE or GLS: If I have issues with German built MB’s, do I need one from Alabama?
New I7: Not ready to go battery yet.
New X5: Maybe, but would need to order and timing may not work.
New Cayenne, same as above.
New RX350: Maybe.
New GV80: Maybe.
New G90: Probably. Unlike the German brands, they all come loaded, so you just pick your colors and pick it up. Yeah, I know about the dealerships, but the Hyundai USA headquarters is about a 15 minute drive from my home, if that means anything at all.
To be continued…………
I was contacted my Sedgwick a few weeks ago and am still awaiting their “offer” on the “repurchase” of my S580. In the meantime, I have been hoping that MBUSA might cough up some incentive $$$ if I go with another new or CPO MB—as they did when they bought back my 2020 S560–but I’ve heard nothing from them—and I’ve asked! Perhaps with two lemons in a row, they would prefer I take my business elsewhere, which is what I most likely will do anyway, but after 17 new MB’s—all of which were enjoyed by yours truly, with the exception of the current car—it hurts to see them showing me the door.
I have gone round & around looking at alternatives:
Range Rover: Probably too much drama.
CPO S560: Nearly impossible to find equipped as I want, with super low miles.
CPO S650: Too long.
New GLE or GLS: If I have issues with German built MB’s, do I need one from Alabama?
New I7: Not ready to go battery yet.
New X5: Maybe, but would need to order and timing may not work.
New Cayenne, same as above.
New RX350: Maybe.
New GV80: Maybe.
New G90: Probably. Unlike the German brands, they all come loaded, so you just pick your colors and pick it up. Yeah, I know about the dealerships, but the Hyundai USA headquarters is about a 15 minute drive from my home, if that means anything at all.
To be continued…………
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I have a feeling you'll drop the SUV's from your list and go for a G90. That being said, I imagine going to any nearby MB dealer a deal on an S500 shouldn't be difficult, discounts are now back. If you do go with the G90 make sure your Genesis dealer has a good service center.
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I have a feeling you'll drop the SUV's from your list and go for a G90. That being said, I imagine going to any nearby MB dealer a deal on an S500 shouldn't be difficult, discounts are now back. If you do go with the G90 make sure your Genesis dealer has a good service center.
When I got the 2020 S560, I got a substantial dealer discount on the car and then MB refused to fix the transmission issue & bought it back. They then gave me some decent incentive money, plus I got a dealer discount on the 2022, but even with that, my lease payment went up by $1,000 per month. Today, if I order a much less equipped S500, with the price increases, the lease payment will be close to what it was for my loaded Executive Line 2022 S580. AND, I take the chance that many things about the car will still irritate me. What’s that they say about doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results?
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It's hard to update the 2018 tech.
Isn't Panamera just under 100k?
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As for Panamera, it’s a 4-door sports car. I don’t want anything that sits lower than my S580 and hopefully a bit higher. In addition, I don’t want a base Porsche and even if I stayed with a base model, by the time the options were added, it would be well up there. If I went Porsche, which I forgot to mention as a “maybe” on my list, it would be a Cayenne. Again, however, I am back to ordering a car. I’ve struggled with the S580 much longer than I wanted and right now, the idea of it going away ASAP is quite appealing.
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Do you mean that the Lexus doesn’t automatically connect to your iPhone, for hands free calling, whenever you get in the car? Or, are you talking about Apple CarPlay?
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As for Panamera, it’s a 4-door sports car. I don’t want anything that sits lower than my S580 and hopefully a bit higher. In addition, I don’t want a base Porsche and even if I stayed with a base model, by the time the options were added, it would be well up there. If I went Porsche, which I forgot to mention as a “maybe” on my list, it would be a Cayenne. Again, however, I am back to ordering a car. I’ve struggled with the S580 much longer than I wanted and right now, the idea of it going away ASAP is quite appealing.
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As for Panamera, it’s a 4-door sports car. I don’t want anything that sits lower than my S580 and hopefully a bit higher. In addition, I don’t want a base Porsche and even if I stayed with a base model, by the time the options were added, it would be well up there. If I went Porsche, which I forgot to mention as a “maybe” on my list, it would be a Cayenne. Again, however, I am back to ordering a car. I’ve struggled with the S580 much longer than I wanted and right now, the idea of it going away ASAP is quite appealing.
If you lease some Porsche models have 60% RV so with options payment would be less than for car with upper 40%
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With a Panamera it's 150 plus for someone that likes their options but is willing to skip some. More like 175 to 2.25 if you like your car loaded. I wouldn't touch a base Panny, not enough engine and you just spent 100k for a luxury car with no luxuries. You also sit significantly lower in it than you do with the S Class and it's tuned for sport and is stiffer than this car in sport plus in its softest settings.
I love the Panamera, I've owned them, but it's not really competing against this car: Much more expensive with similar options and it's tuned differently for a different crowd.
Lastly you will not find what you want on a lot and the wait is quite long; the days of big discounts on Panameras sitting on the lots is over for the moment.
I love the Panamera, I've owned them, but it's not really competing against this car: Much more expensive with similar options and it's tuned differently for a different crowd.
Lastly you will not find what you want on a lot and the wait is quite long; the days of big discounts on Panameras sitting on the lots is over for the moment.
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Also, just because they didn’t offer you incentives upfront or outright doesn’t mean Mercedes doesn’t want your business. Usually, any unpublished incentives or discounts are from the dealer. You are still free to shop around and see if you can work out a new deal on a new Mercedes at any dealership.
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Well, this thread has taken a few turns, hasn’t it?
I was contacted my Sedgwick a few weeks ago and am still awaiting their “offer” on the “repurchase” of my S580. In the meantime, I have been hoping that MBUSA might cough up some incentive $$$ if I go with another new or CPO MB—as they did when they bought back my 2020 S560–but I’ve heard nothing from them—and I’ve asked! Perhaps with two lemons in a row, they would prefer I take my business elsewhere, which is what I most likely will do anyway, but after 17 new MB’s—all of which were enjoyed by yours truly, with the exception of the current car—it hurts to see them showing me the door.
I have gone round & around looking at alternatives:
Range Rover: Probably too much drama.
CPO S560: Nearly impossible to find equipped as I want, with super low miles.
CPO S650: Too long.
New GLE or GLS: If I have issues with German built MB’s, do I need one from Alabama?
New I7: Not ready to go battery yet.
New X5: Maybe, but would need to order and timing may not work.
New Cayenne, same as above.
New RX350: Maybe.
New GV80: Maybe.
New G90: Probably. Unlike the German brands, they all come loaded, so you just pick your colors and pick it up. Yeah, I know about the dealerships, but the Hyundai USA headquarters is about a 15 minute drive from my home, if that means anything at all.
To be continued…………
I was contacted my Sedgwick a few weeks ago and am still awaiting their “offer” on the “repurchase” of my S580. In the meantime, I have been hoping that MBUSA might cough up some incentive $$$ if I go with another new or CPO MB—as they did when they bought back my 2020 S560–but I’ve heard nothing from them—and I’ve asked! Perhaps with two lemons in a row, they would prefer I take my business elsewhere, which is what I most likely will do anyway, but after 17 new MB’s—all of which were enjoyed by yours truly, with the exception of the current car—it hurts to see them showing me the door.
I have gone round & around looking at alternatives:
Range Rover: Probably too much drama.
CPO S560: Nearly impossible to find equipped as I want, with super low miles.
CPO S650: Too long.
New GLE or GLS: If I have issues with German built MB’s, do I need one from Alabama?
New I7: Not ready to go battery yet.
New X5: Maybe, but would need to order and timing may not work.
New Cayenne, same as above.
New RX350: Maybe.
New GV80: Maybe.
New G90: Probably. Unlike the German brands, they all come loaded, so you just pick your colors and pick it up. Yeah, I know about the dealerships, but the Hyundai USA headquarters is about a 15 minute drive from my home, if that means anything at all.
To be continued…………
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Got a eqs 450 suv loaner for a few days. Not into suv but it did ride nice and was slowly learning the software. Not bad for electric.
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But a question, why not the i7? You have the E wagon to drive on trips and in any event charging in CA is easy.
