My S580 STRANDED ME!
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2022 S580
Good thinking. Base Cayenne can be configured with 19” wheels and all the luxury goodies (full leather, air suspension, wood trim, electronic gadgets, etc) of the S. Knock $15k off the price and it ends up less expensive than a comparably equipped S580, and without a hybrid system and runflat tires.
Need to check if the upgraded audio system on Cayenne requires RFT because of a larger subwoofer under the rear load floor. My S with base Bose audio has a collapsible spare and jack, which was used during the Christmas break because I had a puncture in a blizzard on the OH TPK.
Need to check if the upgraded audio system on Cayenne requires RFT because of a larger subwoofer under the rear load floor. My S with base Bose audio has a collapsible spare and jack, which was used during the Christmas break because I had a puncture in a blizzard on the OH TPK.
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Well, that being the case, If I go that way, I would definitely go with the base Cayenne. I don’t need the V8 and I actually don’t care for the red calipers or the sport pedals. And, I much prefer the ride & handling of my SL450 with the lighter V6 over a comparable SL550 with the heavier V8. When I drove an S650 Maybach, as nice as it was, I could feel the weight of that V12 up front. My guess is that the lighter engine in the base Cayenne will offer a nicer ride and more nimble handling.
The configurator says Burmester and collapsible spare tire, therefore no RFT. That point should be confirmed with an SA before ordering.
No panorama roof or hybrid system!
I was wrong about 19” wheels, this appears to be a new change for the facelift. 19” were available on 9Y0.1. Now on the facelift 9Y0.2, 20” wheels are standard on the base Cayenne.
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PRM2EA55
I built an S500 with comparable equipment and it was $143k but seems high.
The bottom line is the Cayenne can be optioned with S-Class amenities (except rear seats) and has excellent, plush air suspension with no panorama roof, no hybrid, no RFT.
Last edited by chassis; May 17, 2023 at 07:53 PM.
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Update: After several requests for an update, I received this today, which is DAY 21:
”We have been working with MB engineering on your vehicle. We did more testing this morning and have determined the DCDC converter needs to be replaced. We ordered and should be here Friday. Once we install it, we have some updates to do and will have to submit the info to engineering before we release the vehicle. If everything goes as planned, hopefully early next week.”
”We have been working with MB engineering on your vehicle. We did more testing this morning and have determined the DCDC converter needs to be replaced. We ordered and should be here Friday. Once we install it, we have some updates to do and will have to submit the info to engineering before we release the vehicle. If everything goes as planned, hopefully early next week.”
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Update: After several requests for an update, I received this today, which is DAY 21:
”We have been working with MB engineering on your vehicle. We did more testing this morning and have determined the DCDC converter needs to be replaced. We ordered and should be here Friday. Once we install it, we have some updates to do and will have to submit the info to engineering before we release the vehicle. If everything goes as planned, hopefully early next week.”
”We have been working with MB engineering on your vehicle. We did more testing this morning and have determined the DCDC converter needs to be replaced. We ordered and should be here Friday. Once we install it, we have some updates to do and will have to submit the info to engineering before we release the vehicle. If everything goes as planned, hopefully early next week.”
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The Honda Accord is a wonderful car. I’ve owned four, I believe, but way back in the 1980’s. They were my daily drivers. That said, it was a different world back then. There were very few SUV’s and pickups were either little Toyotas or the full size models were not bigger than a Chevy sedan. Even though the safety systems vehicles have these days are much improved, if an Accord tangles with an F350–which seem to be everywhere, not to mention Escalades, Navigators, etc.—the Accord will lose, and badly. No, these days, I need something pretty substantial surrounding me as I venture out into the mean streets. I need a fighting chance.
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I have lined up an extended test drive in an S500 without EABC. I’ll have the car long enough to drive it over my daily commute, which in my S580 is quite annoying. If I’m impressed, I will most likely go that way. If not, I’ll be taking a hard look at the new Cayenne and other possibilities.
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Well, I just picked up the car, they can't find what's wrong with it but did a software update. They did an extensive test but cannot find anything wrong, so I decided to pick it and will just bring it back if it happens again. Interestingly enough, I dropped it last Wednesday and is now Friday afternoon here and the car has not discharged yet. Very promising.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I'm not buying it until I feel it for myself.
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Well, they both have six cylinders, but isn’t it amazing that we are talking so much about a Porsche SUV, as a possible substitute for an S Class sedan? In 2014, I had a loaded ML350BT. It had AirMatic and I even opted for what they called “ActiveCurve” at the time, which was a very expensive suspension option that supposedly improved the ride. I got out of it after about a year, as I missed the comfy ride of my big S Class sedan. Indeed, the ride quality of SUV’s has improved significantly since then and the new Cayenne is supposed to deliver a much improved ride over the previous generation, especially when equipped with the air springs, but I’m not sure it will take the cake when I make a decision.
I have lined up an extended test drive in an S500 without EABC. I’ll have the car long enough to drive it over my daily commute, which in my S580 is quite annoying. If I’m impressed, I will most likely go that way. If not, I’ll be taking a hard look at the new Cayenne and other possibilities.
I have lined up an extended test drive in an S500 without EABC. I’ll have the car long enough to drive it over my daily commute, which in my S580 is quite annoying. If I’m impressed, I will most likely go that way. If not, I’ll be taking a hard look at the new Cayenne and other possibilities.
From a selfish perspective…we will still have your fantastic presence on this forum.
When I don’t drive my S580 for a couple of days and I’m driving something else (usually very nice cars/SUV’s) and I get back into my 580 I actually feel like I’m driving a car that’s on a different level. It’s very special!!
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Probably a new S500. Would love the perfect CPO S560, but finding one the way I want it is just about impossible. Probably not a Bentley. I'm beginning to think "better the devil I know than one I don't." That said, who knows what MBUSA may do? After two buy-backs in a row, they may tell me to take a hike.
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I'm looking forward to hearing about what's next. My budget allows for a CPO 223, a CPO 222, but finding a 2020 the way I want it, plus being 3 years old...or a 214 with likely a similar amount of bugs has me perplexed. I am looking at other brands, though my wife really wants me to consider the aforementioned toaster oven. Best of luck in your journey!
Probably a new S500. Would love the perfect CPO S560, but finding one the way I want it is just about impossible. Probably not a Bentley. I'm beginning to think "better the devil I know than one I don't." That said, who knows what MBUSA may do? After two buy-backs in a row, they may tell me to take a hike.
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Probably a new S500. Would love the perfect CPO S560, but finding one the way I want it is just about impossible. Probably not a Bentley. I'm beginning to think "better the devil I know than one I don't." That said, who knows what MBUSA may do? After two buy-backs in a row, they may tell me to take a hike.
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When I ordered my 2019 SL, I was dead set on it being a V8. But then, I drove the SL450 & SL550 back to back and the V6 450 drove SO much better, I went that way and have never regretted my decision. My S580 engine & transmission have felt sloppy from day one and as if the two components don’t work in sync. At the very least, I will give the S500 a good test drive to see if my suspicions are correct, but I believe the I6 will be velvety smooth and am hoping the transmission mates well with the smaller engine.
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Do the gremlins that have been brought up also affect the Maybach versions as much as the regular S class? I hope they are fixed for the future S63 AMG as that is when I would consider a W223. Will be at least a year from now.
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How can that be? Less torque, less horsepower, but way more than enough of both, while less weight over the front wheels. Not as quick, not as fast, but my money is on it being even more refined.
When I ordered my 2019 SL, I was dead set on it being a V8. But then, I drove the SL450 & SL550 back to back and the V6 450 drove SO much better, I went that way and have never regretted my decision. My S580 engine & transmission have felt sloppy from day one and as if the two components don’t work in sync. At the very least, I will give the S500 a good test drive to see if my suspicions are correct, but I believe the I6 will be velvety smooth and am hoping the transmission mates well with the smaller engine.
When I ordered my 2019 SL, I was dead set on it being a V8. But then, I drove the SL450 & SL550 back to back and the V6 450 drove SO much better, I went that way and have never regretted my decision. My S580 engine & transmission have felt sloppy from day one and as if the two components don’t work in sync. At the very least, I will give the S500 a good test drive to see if my suspicions are correct, but I believe the I6 will be velvety smooth and am hoping the transmission mates well with the smaller engine.
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How can that be? Less torque, less horsepower, but way more than enough of both, while less weight over the front wheels. Not as quick, not as fast, but my money is on it being even more refined.
When I ordered my 2019 SL, I was dead set on it being a V8. But then, I drove the SL450 & SL550 back to back and the V6 450 drove SO much better, I went that way and have never regretted my decision. My S580 engine & transmission have felt sloppy from day one and as if the two components don’t work in sync. At the very least, I will give the S500 a good test drive to see if my suspicions are correct, but I believe the I6 will be velvety smooth and am hoping the transmission mates well with the smaller engine.
When I ordered my 2019 SL, I was dead set on it being a V8. But then, I drove the SL450 & SL550 back to back and the V6 450 drove SO much better, I went that way and have never regretted my decision. My S580 engine & transmission have felt sloppy from day one and as if the two components don’t work in sync. At the very least, I will give the S500 a good test drive to see if my suspicions are correct, but I believe the I6 will be velvety smooth and am hoping the transmission mates well with the smaller engine.
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There were things I wanted you can't get with the 500 so that wasn't getting out of the gate. I test drove it anyway to sample other options, and I thought it felt similar. It did lack the same effortless sense of power when merging: The 580 feels like it's giving you everything you want and it's got plenty more, the 500 also gives you everything you want but there's not the same sense of extra awaiting your call to arms. It's a small thing but it's there.
On the 500 side I actually like the engine tone better. I'm not fond of the tuning in that regard on the 580 which sounds like they ran out of money and decided to ram a cork up its butt and call it good. While neither is great the V8 gets very poor marks from me. No V8 should sound like this one does.
On the 500 side I actually like the engine tone better. I'm not fond of the tuning in that regard on the 580 which sounds like they ran out of money and decided to ram a cork up its butt and call it good. While neither is great the V8 gets very poor marks from me. No V8 should sound like this one does.
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