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Picking up the new facelift X5 50e LCI this week to replace our flawless 2015 X5d. Agree that BMW has come along way and the fit finish is exemplary. I used to have all kinds of issues with earlier BMW but not anymore. They are solid now. I love the clean modern look of the LCI X5.
I was really tempted by the Taycan Turbo S, but the ingress/egress, seats and a bit of a harsh ride killed it for me.
As far as electric vehicles go…if the future looks like the Taycan…I’m in. ESQ looks like an ugly duckling in comparison.
I had the Turbo (not Turbo S) for a few days while my Panny was in. There's a lot to like there but it's got issues. On the one hand it's not a small car, on the other it doesn't give you nearly the space you have in the Panamera. It also feels down market in terms of materials, and things like the interior door releases lack the solidity I expect in a Porsche. I was also at a loss as to why they all don't come with a hatch, that adds so much utility.
The ride isn't something I"d call bad because it's not supposed to be cush. I think I recall you've had P cars so you know they don't get too far away from the sporting side of the equation. To me it's their thing, what you're buying into when you go that way.
The EQS... it isn't pretty, I can't think of a single person in the real world that commented on it favorably and few on the internet that didn't buy in. Even then it's usually something to the effect that it looks better in person, they're warming up to it, that sort of thing. To me it's not close to the S Class on the interior which is a killer because if I'm not buying into S Class space, luxury, and comfort, why am I there at all?
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Originally Posted by SW20S
You drove a 740 too? How did that compare? The i7 is 1,000 lbs heavier than the 760 I wonder if the ride is largely because of the weight…
The I7 had 20” wheels. I can’t remember what the 740 had, but I definitely would attribute some of the ride quality to the additional weight of the electric car.
I had the Turbo (not Turbo S) for a few days while my Panny was in. There's a lot to like there but it's got issues. On the one hand it's not a small car, on the other it doesn't give you nearly the space you have in the Panamera. It also feels down market in terms of materials, and things like the interior door releases lack the solidity I expect in a Porsche. I was also at a loss as to why they all don't come with a hatch, that adds so much utility.
The ride isn't something I"d call bad because it's not supposed to be cush. I think I recall you've had P cars so you know they don't get too far away from the sporting side of the equation. To me it's their thing, what you're buying into when you go that way.
The EQS... it isn't pretty, I can't think of a single person in the real world that commented on it favorably and few on the internet that didn't buy in. Even then it's usually something to the effect that it looks better in person, they're warming up to it, that sort of thing. To me it's not close to the S Class on the interior which is a killer because if I'm not buying into S Class space, luxury, and comfort, why am I there at all?
Yup missed opportunity for the Taycan to not be a hatch, same goes with the CLS if we are talking about MB instead, if it was a hatch/lift gate it might had been more competitive and some buyers might find another reason to get that over the regular E-Class. Unless it was Mercedes intention to drive the GT 4 door sales all along but then that car is way more expensive and they might had lost some sales from the audi A7 just a random example.
Your last experience was almost 30 years ago, BMW has changed a lot in that time. They're rated near the top in all reliability rankings I have seen lately, I know many people with them none of which have had problems.
Same many friends are reporting the same to me so makes me highly considering BMW as a replacement which I never ever thought I would be. Definitely doing quite a bit of research on them now as I add their models on my shopping list.
I’m not a fan of the jelly bean styling of the EQ series, either. I don’t know why MB just didn’t electrify the current S instead of trying to branch off. But I saw an EQS in the wild and it actually doesn’t look too bad. I may go electric next as well or just get one last gasoline S class, assuming it’s offered come lease end.
I guess problem with using the ICE platform like how BMW did, you sacrifice range, the weight, and um... aerodynamics. The dedicated platform just suits the car better. Or maybe MB was just testing the waters as well, it was their first premium electric vehicle after all based solely on an electric platform, the next generation E-Class really likely will be full electric so they are experimenting.
Yup missed opportunity for the Taycan to not be a hatch, same goes with the CLS if we are talking about MB instead, if it was a hatch/lift gate it might had been more competitive and some buyers might find another reason to get that over the regular E-Class. Unless it was Mercedes intention to drive the GT 4 door sales all along but then that car is way more expensive and they might had lost some sales from the audi A7 just a random example.
They do actually have a hatchback model, the Taycan Cross Turismo. It's one of the hottest looking hatches on the market.
I usually dislike grey cars. Not a bit in this case.
They do actually have a hatchback model, the Taycan Cross Turismo. It's one of the hottest looking hatches on the market.
I usually dislike grey cars. Not a bit in this case.
I am typically a wagon lover but for some reason the Taycan Cross Turismo doesn’t do it for me. In person I found the proportions a bit off because the front is short and low, and the back is fat and wide, especially the rear D-pillar. Something off about it for me. The sedan to me is gorgeous though, but I didn’t care for the interior in terms of space, tech, or materials. The other big issue with Porsche wagons is they add very little practicality over the sedans, they’re more so shooting brakes with an extra cubic foot of cargo capacity.
The aerodynamics are way overstated on the EQS, the ugly computer mouse look is not necessary. It’s .20, a W223 is .21.
I have a feeling the EQS will be a very here and now car, like most current EV’s. The design of the next S-Class EV will most likely (and hopefully) be more conventional as the battery tech and market changes. The EQS is definitely not attractive although I’ve grown to it, and wouldn’t be opposed to driving one as its one of the better EV’s on the market, especially in range. I’d probably opt for the SUV though, as it features a more traditional design thanks to its body shape.
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