teksurv

Leasehackr.com EQS and in some cases EQE.

MBS63AMG

I don't how I missed this thread in the past but this comment is the funniest thing I've read in a while!!!

MBS63AMG

I don't know why, but I keep seeing square boxes in and between your words in your comments. I swear. I don't see ghosts or apparitions on a daily basis

MBNUT1

Same

SW20S

Well, its designed for China so that makes sense.

Thats what you're looking for, and the S Class is for you. I don't fault BMW for making the 7 appeal to a different consumer who wants more flash. I have a friend who has a new 760 and he's a flashy 35 year old guy who would never have considered an S Class. His 760 replaced a bright blue with black racing stripes Range Rover Sport SV. Good for BMW for reaching him. I don't see why the 7 Series needs to be a BMW version of the same thing.

As for the hidden lighting, I think the lighting in the 222 is hidden, in the 223 its pretty in your face with the big thick active ambient strip you see even in the daylight. I wouldn't use "elegant" here:




Honestly? The lighting in the 7 is way more restrained:




Again, you're not the target buyer. I don't have an issue with the real crystal controls. Crystal is a nice material and its different, different isn't bad. I don't love the big plastic crystal light bar, but I don't love a lot of material choices in the W223 either, overall I think the new 7 is considerably nicer inside.

Check out the EQS forum on here, I also know somebody who is driving a $120,000 EQS for under $800 a month.

crabman

In fairness, I've never seen that picture in my car. You can certainly turn it up to 11 but even then you don't get the effect shown in the picture. Not that it really means anything in the broader scheme; in either car the brightness is adjustable so it should never be in anyone's face whichever way you go.

I like the ambient in this car; it gives you a splash of color and let's you change it up at a whim. Not all that many people have been in my car but they've all liked the lighting.

To me LED lighting in the car, house, whatever, is like wine: A glass of two and you've got an interesting conversation with good company. Chug a bottle and you wake up wondering if you really told the neighbors' wife you've been admiring her ***** for years.

SW20S

I like the ambient lighting too, don't get me wrong, I'm a fan...but to say one is elegant and the other is not doesn't hold water to me. The ambient lighting is one of my favorite things in my car.

Wolfman

I think you have been very selective in your choice of images The W223 is definitely very elegant in the LED lighting, just like the W222. Remember that when the W222 came out there were tons of jokes about the car looking like inside a strip club when using the red lights full on.
Now everyone copied it...

hyperion667

*****

SW20S

Unquestionably everybody copied MB's ambient lighting, but the lighting in the 223 is definitely more in your face than the 222, and I just don't think "elegant" is the right word, There is a big thick bar of light that goes all the way around the interior with the active ambient lighting and its pretty in your face with basically every seam somehow lit. I like it personally, but I think its a stretch to say that is elegant and the ambient lighting in the 7 Series isn't.

crabman

I don't know that I would characterize either one as elegant, or inelegant for that matter. Adjusted with restraint they're a nice enhancement and at least conceptually, there may be some elegance in that.

I can say for sure that Mrs Crab loves the lights; she often adjusts them to get the ambience just right. I don't know what just right is but she seems to know and getting them there makes her happy. That makes me happy.

For her this is the best car I've ever bought. She loves the lights, the stereo, the comfort, the fact that she can play with all the settings without irritating me because I've got everything in the HUD or the drivers display. It's not loud. Scary. Abrupt. Rough. Doesn't have a stick, or more accurately, me having fun with a stick. She totally digs it.

Wolfman

My issue wasn’t with the ambient lighting in either car. But a thin lighting strip vs the inch wide plastic cover running across the car.
This bothers me more that the piano black stuff.
The center console has been the biggest offender and at least they are offering some patterned surface. Why they couldn’t make it wood like the EQ models is beyond me though.

Streamliner

Yes, I’ve never seen mine look anything like that. Here are some photos of my car.

SW20S

Those pictures are in the daylight. Take a picture at night.

The strip on the 223 is plastic too. I just don’t think it’s that big a deal and in person it doesn’t look cheap, I dislike the piano black trim more.

The patterned surface is now only available with the carbon trim, not available with any of the other trims. That console on the 223 really feels cheap IMO

crabman

I've never met a human being who liked fake black plastic in their car. Never. I agree completely that it does not look good, and is poorly chosen as a material outside of the aesthetics. It was one of the sticking points for me when I was considering my purchase, not deal-breaker material but a significant con. I ordered the dots which does slightly improve it but... it should be a piece of wood IMO

W205C43PFL

Facelift hopefully...

Wolfman

If memory serves, the piano black option in the W222 was actually painted wood (Designo) for an upcharge. It was a popular option. But the issue was that maybe 6 years or so ago several manufacturers went all in on shiny black surfaces, Audi being the worst IMO. Touch screens coupled with copious amounts of black plastic. Same with Porsche. BMW was still OK.
But in general in Germany this was viewed as modern interiors while the W222 interior was more regarded as traditional and baroque.

I have zero issues with the black center console as it is part of the night edition but the W223 would have looked much better with wood, especially the walnut/aluminum trim. or at least all carbon fibre.

SW20S

The piano black trim used by MB in the flowing lines option is totally different, that is lacquer painted wood. That is not what the center console on the 223 is, and it is not a part of the night edition its the console material on all 223s except those with carbon fiber trim who have an option for a dotted trim there.

Wolfman

Nobody said it wasn't plastic but in the end, it is a question of taste. I think there is lots to like in the new 7 interior but to my taste the wide, in your face plastic strip isn't one of it... I find the MB design understated, but it is more pronounced than the W222 as was designed with the active ambient lighting in mind.

SW20S

I don't disagree about the wide strip, but there are a lot of things to dislike in the 223 as well, is my point. If you take checkmarks on quality, the 7 handily beats the 223 which is a shame. MB needs to step it up.

crabman

I said "fake black plastic" which is what we have regardless of what trim is chosen. You can upgrade to the dots or whatever they call the stuff in the AMG line but this is only a very marginal improvement.

It's a poor material choice on almost every level. Durability is low and the material is easily scratched. Black is often used in molds because it helps highlight imperfections; not a good thing in a soft easily scratched material. It's glossy and oils adhere well; equals lots of fingerprints, easily seen, thanks to the black.

I know someone who just had to have the baby grand that she never played after 6 months; I've seen the good stuff, this ain't it. Even if it were though it would still be a poor choice for a high touch area.

Streamliner

​​​YOUNG people just love BLACK! They think black everything is whatever the latest word for “cool” is. So, MB & other makes, wanting to please younger people, feel the more black the better and since this horrid trim is just SO frigging cheap, it’s a win/win. When I think of the beautiful steering wheel in my S560’s, with the satin silver finish and the simple to use controls, vs what we have in our “new & improved” W223’s, it’s just so disappointing. I would imagine that several members here on W223 are up in years and know firsthand how invisible we have become to manufacturers & merchants alike. MB cares absolutely ZERO about older customers and how we view things through eyes of great experience, knowing what’s truly classy and what is just plain cheap! Oh well.

Wolfman

Some of design choices are not age related, like the steering wheel. I really like the actual AMG twin spoke steering wheel but not the W223 AMG line. Weird design but changeable.

But the same happened with the W222 steering wheel (the clown face or whatever people called it). The coupes got the better looking steering wheel that made eventually it into the facelift.

crabman

I'm not against black in and out itself; a soft glossy plastic in a high touch area that's colored black so as to make sure you can clearly see the mayhem inflicted upon it, that's what I'm against.

To be honest it's not a great spot for a glossy wood either, but at least that doesn't look like cheap plastic.

SW20S

And glossy wood in those consoles has been around forever.

Case in point, the EQS. This is literally the only part of the EQS I like better than the 223: