No GTS or Turbo yet on 9Y0.2 aka MY24 facelift.

Base, S, eHybrid and Turbo GT are in the lineup now. TGT is universally liked. Base can be optioned handsomely with all functional and comfort goodies and most cosmetic goodies (some model-specific items like prismatic Turbo tailpipes, Race-Tex GTS seat inserts, etc) are not available on the base. Base model air suspension is the same system on all trim levels.

Rennlist speculation that GTS will be added in a year or so. Porsche are the masters of slicing and dicing the model lineup and trim levels. Look at 911 for example. Macan and Panamera have gone through trim level evolution as has Cayenne.

Love the Cayenne air suspension and 18-way seats. The base W166 with steel springs and 20” wheels was terrible for harshness. Really bad.

I have 21” wheels on the Cayenne S and the air suspension is unbelievable. Try it and report back to this thread.

I went through several of them without the issue. A little squeakiness when you first start driving, then it goes away. A far bigger complaint was the brake dust.

Or maybe you're talking about the whirling sound Porsche brakes make? That's not squealing, they're two different things. Or are we calling any sound squealing?

Brake dust is a huge issue for MB too. I'm so happy with my ceramic pads...its night and day

Squealing when backing down the driveway.

Crunching when letting off the brake pedal.

Huge amounts of dust! CCB are the solution if the option price and potential damage/replacement cost risk can be tolerated.

In general I'd say it's a German thing, all that I've had pump out some dust. Some worse, some better, but none good.

All German cars produce a lot of brake dust and that’s the result of the compound mix used for higher performance. Very annoying.

Ceramic brake pads can’t match the brake performance although it’s less of a concern given the lower highway speeds.

In Germany you might go 30mph and 140mph a few minutes later; and you need high brake power on cold rotors.

Best is to spring for CCB rotors whenever they are offered

Does the Cayenne with air suspension have a comfortable/smooth ride in anyway similar to the S class?

I just cannot imagine that it does. My guess is that it’s not even close.

I need to test drive a Maybach GLS. EABC is standard and 22” wheels are the smallest available. I just cannot imagine the vehicle having a great ride.

While fooling around the other day, I came across a Car & Driver comparison test between the 2019 BMW X7 and the GLS450. The GLS was equipped with EABC. Look what they said:



This sounds VERY much like what I am unhappy with in my EABC equipped S580.

Yeah if I were stopping from autobahn speeds I’d be worried, but I haven’t noticed any perceptible decrease in braking power.

I haven’t driven the EABC equipped GLS but the GLS I drove on air didn’t exhibit any of that behavior, you may be on to something.

The one I drove was on the smallest wheels on the sport package too, I think they are 21s

My X7 M50i is probably the smoothest ride I ever had, even slightly better than my S560 on highway, but the S560 wins for in-town driving comfort. BMW’s Dynamic Handling Package is pretty good on the X7. I am yet to test any W223 with the EABC, the loaners I had this far are base poorly equipped W223s.

Yup. Caught them off guard for sure.

Was 18-way the highest trim? I heard the aggressive bolster on the higher trim makes getting ingress/egress a little harder than was it 14 way?

I see.

At least CCBs last longer than steel (less replacements) even though the upfront cost is higher. (or this was mentioned already?)

I'm on 75K miles on my OEM AMG brake pads and rotors It's all about driving style baby! Not to mention if you're tracking your car with CCB's there are no promises they'll last longer.

Good for you Hard braking in heavy traffic is always a bad thing glad you are able to manage it so you don't have to apply brakes often.

LMAO, that's one way to put it......not driving like a jagass is more like it

Was at the dealer getting a recall for the E-Class done and made my rounds at the nearby dealers. Saw an i7 in the most palatable spec yet, Tanzanite Blue II with Luxury Line. I still don't like the way the front end looks but its an improvement, but still awkward, especially those awful stacked headlights. I thought I would like the luxury-line look more, and I do on the front thanks to the lack of gloss blast plastic, but I think the chrome trim pieces on the side of the 7er are too big and thick so it stands out more on a darker colored car like this. Also its just still to blocky and squared off, I think a curved and sleek design makes a car look more elegant. I get that they wanted presence, but they sacrificed elegance because of it.

Interior was nice. I prefer the design to the S-Class, but nothing about it was so much more impressive to me that I wouldn't take the S again. And I hate the hidden AC controls, at least the S' stay in the same place. The haptic touch panels on the doors are also very bad. The S' are much easier, and heated seats and steering wheel controls are always available to access. The control knob is nice, but the menu's are overly cluttered and deep (there's a menu just for the cars blinds, adaptive cruise distance requires a menu, etc), and the control knob doesn't actually do anything for the ac controls so you still need to use the touchscreen.

Overall, if I were to do it again, I'd probably still pick the S, although the new Range Rover probably would have also come into play.

Sat in a W223 at the dealer yesterday, the real killer for me is just a few pieces of cheap feeling plastic which is a shame. They have a leftover 2022 that I could get a killer deal on in a great spec (emerald green with brown)...

No question overall the W223 is a more attractive package than the 7, but the 7 interior doesn't have those quality issues.

What do you consider the quality issues?

​​​​​​My LS had better interior quality than my W223. Even the area on the side of the seat where the seat controls are was stitched leather.

Did your 223 have Exclusive Nappa?

Remind me of the details of the BMW M8 door pockets. I like how the leather is even stitched on the bottom of the open door pocket. Something that nobody will ever look at...