What new or upcoming cars are on your radar?
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I know lots of people with Range Rovers, but I don't know anybody who has a problem free Range Rover...what kind of issues did you have?
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Oil leak, trans leak, trans shifting issues, door seal passenger side and windshield leaked, quite a few electrical gremlins. It wasn't a horror story but we didn't trust it after a while; there was a sense that the next thing was coming.
In fairness the trans started leaking after they worked on it for the abrupt shifting so that could probably be hung on the dealership.
In fairness the trans started leaking after they worked on it for the abrupt shifting so that could probably be hung on the dealership.
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Crab, I know guys who have gone from the S class to the Cayenne Turbo. They seem happy with the shift. Any thoughts?
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2024 GLE 53 2023 GLA 252021 S580 2023 MB GLA 250, previous 2015 Porsche Turbo S 2014 Cayenne Diesel
Traded in my 2021 S580 for a 2024 GLE 53 SUV. I had just had it with the problems of that car. Lots of minor issues and
some gremlins in the software for sure. Every once in a while I would see something like an ABS error, which somehow
disappeared once you stopped and started the car. The second day I had the car, the 12v battery issued warnings not to
drive the car. Called the dealer they said drive it in. After 2 trips back to the dealer they finally replaced the battery.
Gotta say that the S580 rode so nice, it was super quiet and very comfy and with the big V8 power when you needed it.
Tough to trade in with only 7600 miles, but time to move on. Of course the new GLE 53 has a new MBUX interface
hopefully they tested the software more thoroughly in the next version.
some gremlins in the software for sure. Every once in a while I would see something like an ABS error, which somehow
disappeared once you stopped and started the car. The second day I had the car, the 12v battery issued warnings not to
drive the car. Called the dealer they said drive it in. After 2 trips back to the dealer they finally replaced the battery.
Gotta say that the S580 rode so nice, it was super quiet and very comfy and with the big V8 power when you needed it.
Tough to trade in with only 7600 miles, but time to move on. Of course the new GLE 53 has a new MBUX interface
hopefully they tested the software more thoroughly in the next version.
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Doesn’t look like the refresh has a Cayenne Turbo yet. I’ve always liked the Cayenne. The S 580 has such a plush ride. Do you think the new Cayenne in comfort mode would come close to the S in terms of comfort or too harsh?
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I don’t know that I have ever heard MB market it that way. Magazines and reviews have certainly said that.
Remember the GLS used to just be the GL, MB chose to change the naming structure so that “GL” meant SUV, and the letter at the end denoted the size relative to the sedan lineup (C, E or S).
It’s like the EQS sedan, it’s nowhere near as nice as an S Class inside, but when you realize it’s not supposed to be “the S Class” that becomes less surprising. CLS was never an S Class…
Remember the GLS used to just be the GL, MB chose to change the naming structure so that “GL” meant SUV, and the letter at the end denoted the size relative to the sedan lineup (C, E or S).
It’s like the EQS sedan, it’s nowhere near as nice as an S Class inside, but when you realize it’s not supposed to be “the S Class” that becomes less surprising. CLS was never an S Class…
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GLS.
The S-Class of SUVs.
So it was just Ola Källenius himself saying it.
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I don’t know that I have ever heard MB market it that way. Magazines and reviews have certainly said that.
Remember the GLS used to just be the GL, MB chose to change the naming structure so that “GL” meant SUV, and the letter at the end denoted the size relative to the sedan lineup (C, E or S).
It’s like the EQS sedan, it’s nowhere near as nice as an S Class inside, but when you realize it’s not supposed to be “the S Class” that becomes less surprising. CLS was never an S Class…
Remember the GLS used to just be the GL, MB chose to change the naming structure so that “GL” meant SUV, and the letter at the end denoted the size relative to the sedan lineup (C, E or S).
It’s like the EQS sedan, it’s nowhere near as nice as an S Class inside, but when you realize it’s not supposed to be “the S Class” that becomes less surprising. CLS was never an S Class…
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Oil leak, trans leak, trans shifting issues, door seal passenger side and windshield leaked, quite a few electrical gremlins. It wasn't a horror story but we didn't trust it after a while; there was a sense that the next thing was coming.
In fairness the trans started leaking after they worked on it for the abrupt shifting so that could probably be hung on the dealership.
In fairness the trans started leaking after they worked on it for the abrupt shifting so that could probably be hung on the dealership.
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2024 S580
Oil leak, trans leak, trans shifting issues, door seal passenger side and windshield leaked, quite a few electrical gremlins. It wasn't a horror story but we didn't trust it after a while; there was a sense that the next thing was coming.
In fairness the trans started leaking after they worked on it for the abrupt shifting so that could probably be hung on the dealership.
In fairness the trans started leaking after they worked on it for the abrupt shifting so that could probably be hung on the dealership.
Ok, I found it on MB's official site as well: https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/veh...edes-benz/gls/The
GLS.
The S-Class of SUVs.
So it was just Ola Källenius himself saying it.
GLS.
The S-Class of SUVs.
So it was just Ola Källenius himself saying it.
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Traded in my 2021 S580 for a 2024 GLE 53 SUV. I had just had it with the problems of that car. Lots of minor issues and
some gremlins in the software for sure. Every once in a while I would see something like an ABS error, which somehow
disappeared once you stopped and started the car. The second day I had the car, the 12v battery issued warnings not to
drive the car. Called the dealer they said drive it in. After 2 trips back to the dealer they finally replaced the battery.
Gotta say that the S580 rode so nice, it was super quiet and very comfy and with the big V8 power when you needed it.
Tough to trade in with only 7600 miles, but time to move on. Of course the new GLE 53 has a new MBUX interface
hopefully they tested the software more thoroughly in the next version.
some gremlins in the software for sure. Every once in a while I would see something like an ABS error, which somehow
disappeared once you stopped and started the car. The second day I had the car, the 12v battery issued warnings not to
drive the car. Called the dealer they said drive it in. After 2 trips back to the dealer they finally replaced the battery.
Gotta say that the S580 rode so nice, it was super quiet and very comfy and with the big V8 power when you needed it.
Tough to trade in with only 7600 miles, but time to move on. Of course the new GLE 53 has a new MBUX interface
hopefully they tested the software more thoroughly in the next version.
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Forum member chassis might be able to answer that question I believe.
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Forum member chassis also did (although not from S-Class) and seems to be happy. I never understand the change going from full-size sedan to an SUV or vice versa but glad to hear people are flexible to changes and can adapt to different vehicle body styles.
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Sounds like a horror story to me. I just don't have the time or the energy for that ****.
Yeah, its just marketing speak. The GLS is not the S Class of SUVs, the S Class is the highest price car in its segment and MB clearly feels their cache and product commands that premium, and its also the best selling car so clearly they are right. The GLS is positioned well below the Range Rover in price and the product reflects that price difference in a few places. If MB had truly wanted to make the GLS the best in the segment, they would have targeted RR for cost and content. The GLS is a family vehicle, not an outright luxury/image vehicle like the RR. Theres a practicality there that isnt there in the RR.
Yeah, its just marketing speak. The GLS is not the S Class of SUVs, the S Class is the highest price car in its segment and MB clearly feels their cache and product commands that premium, and its also the best selling car so clearly they are right. The GLS is positioned well below the Range Rover in price and the product reflects that price difference in a few places. If MB had truly wanted to make the GLS the best in the segment, they would have targeted RR for cost and content. The GLS is a family vehicle, not an outright luxury/image vehicle like the RR. Theres a practicality there that isnt there in the RR.
I thought so, it did get me curious especially if they tout the GLS as the S-Class of SUVs, customers that wanted an SUV coming from an S-Class sedan buys one and disappointed that it isn't what they expected, they would had thought the newer S-Class isn't the same as the previous generation S-Class in terms of ride and probably refinement and disappointed with the S-Class' future therefore jump to competitors. I wonder what improvements if any did the Maybach GLS and EQS SUV and Maybach EQS SUV did they make? Thanks for answering my question.
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Still, I don't think it's punishing at all as it is; if the 24 improves on that it certainly wouldn't bother me. Porsche actually handles big hits better with no crashing bang like you get here. All of them do that better.
I'm a couple years out of one now so I don't want to get too specific. I'd get PDCC, can't remember if the Turbo comes with it but it's great for both ride quality and it keeps it flatter when you decide to have fun. It pushes that sport sedan feeling further before you start noticing you're in an SUV.
To go back to the ride; I didn't leave Porsche because I thought it wasn't comfortable and I've considered the Cayenne as the next car myself. I'm not expecting it to have this kind of isolation but I think Porsche does very well at giving you a normal mode that is relatively cushy. But S class level cush, that's hard to believe.
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When I have complained to dealers they send the stupid video of the GT3 on a track proving that squealing is good for performance.
That may be true, but never again will I drive a luxury vehicle that sounds like a garbage truck.
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I thought so, it did get me curious especially if they tout the GLS as the S-Class of SUVs, customers that wanted an SUV coming from an S-Class sedan buys one and disappointed that it isn't what they expected, they would had thought the newer S-Class isn't the same as the previous generation S-Class in terms of ride and probably refinement and disappointed with the S-Class' future therefore jump to competitors. I wonder what improvements if any did the Maybach GLS and EQS SUV and Maybach EQS SUV did they make? Thanks for answering my question.
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I would never got back to Porsche. Squealing brakes are just "part of the product."
When I have complained to dealers they send the stupid video of the GT3 on a track proving that squealing is good for performance.
That may be true, but never again will I drive a luxury vehicle that sounds like a garbage truck.
When I have complained to dealers they send the stupid video of the GT3 on a track proving that squealing is good for performance.
That may be true, but never again will I drive a luxury vehicle that sounds like a garbage truck.
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A Macan S. We replaced the rotors and pads at Porsche, had them bed the brakes, etc. No amount of hard braking would quiet them down.
I ended up driving the car around with the windows up at all times. Just found it to be too annoying.
I found a thread on the Cayenne: https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-...al-pscb-9.html
Funny though that their electric Taycan doesn't seem have issues with brake squeal.
I ended up driving the car around with the windows up at all times. Just found it to be too annoying.
I found a thread on the Cayenne: https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-...al-pscb-9.html
Funny though that their electric Taycan doesn't seem have issues with brake squeal.
