DO NOT SWITCH TO ELECTRIC/How is the 223?
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Anyone else try out the i7?
Tesla has a lot of positives, but I don’t think they aimed to compete with the opulent S-Class, it reminds me of a Panamera or A7 in certain respects.
i7 is a legitimate luxury contender. G90 EV is another to watch.
Tesla has a lot of positives, but I don’t think they aimed to compete with the opulent S-Class, it reminds me of a Panamera or A7 in certain respects.
i7 is a legitimate luxury contender. G90 EV is another to watch.
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Not ready to go electric—don’t know if I’ll ever be ready—but to me, the ONLY possibility is the I7. MB should have electrified the W223, not gone the EQS way. The EQS, to me, is a complete compromise, in most every way.
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Maybe this is where we can find some common ground. I suspect like some of you MB owners there is a love for ICE. When I bought my 2019 Audi A8L I had no idea that it would be the last A8 but now that I know, I'm keeping it until I'm dead. About a year or so ago I bought a RR Ghost and I'm also (probably) keeping that until I'm dead.
The W223 is probably the last ICE MB flagship hurrah. I invite others to do the same. Let's hold onto these beautiful cars for as long as we can.
PS the new 7 series is a nice car, but the exterior, well, erm....I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
The W223 is probably the last ICE MB flagship hurrah. I invite others to do the same. Let's hold onto these beautiful cars for as long as we can.
PS the new 7 series is a nice car, but the exterior, well, erm....I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
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Personally after having driven that i7, I am no longer concerned about not having an ICE at all. If I could find reliable charging on my trips I take myself a few times a year in my sedan, I would put an i7 in my garage immediately. Its just...better.
BUT, I drive my sedan on 3-4 trips to southern WV a year, and I enjoy driving it on those trips...don't want to drive the family car alone, don't want to rent a car...and there just aren't very good charging options along that route (I have done research), there are 4 chargers (meaning 4 stalls at one location) in Staunton in a Walmart Parking lot, and thats it. If I rolled in there and they were broken or if there was a line, that would be a nightmare. So...until thats more of an option its ICE for me again this time,,,but I'm looking forward to that EV.
BUT, I drive my sedan on 3-4 trips to southern WV a year, and I enjoy driving it on those trips...don't want to drive the family car alone, don't want to rent a car...and there just aren't very good charging options along that route (I have done research), there are 4 chargers (meaning 4 stalls at one location) in Staunton in a Walmart Parking lot, and thats it. If I rolled in there and they were broken or if there was a line, that would be a nightmare. So...until thats more of an option its ICE for me again this time,,,but I'm looking forward to that EV.
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Like I said it is a "CLS" EV, not a S-class. However, have driven the 2019 CLS450 back in the day.. EQS is more comfortable in every way and better equipped too.
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Personally after having driven that i7, I am no longer concerned about not having an ICE at all. If I could find reliable charging on my trips I take myself a few times a year in my sedan, I would put an i7 in my garage immediately. Its just...better.
BUT, I drive my sedan on 3-4 trips to southern WV a year, and I enjoy driving it on those trips...don't want to drive the family car alone, don't want to rent a car...and there just aren't very good charging options along that route (I have done research), there are 4 chargers (meaning 4 stalls at one location) in Staunton in a Walmart Parking lot, and thats it. If I rolled in there and they were broken or if there was a line, that would be a nightmare. So...until thats more of an option its ICE for me again this time,,,but I'm looking forward to that EV.
BUT, I drive my sedan on 3-4 trips to southern WV a year, and I enjoy driving it on those trips...don't want to drive the family car alone, don't want to rent a car...and there just aren't very good charging options along that route (I have done research), there are 4 chargers (meaning 4 stalls at one location) in Staunton in a Walmart Parking lot, and thats it. If I rolled in there and they were broken or if there was a line, that would be a nightmare. So...until thats more of an option its ICE for me again this time,,,but I'm looking forward to that EV.
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I just drove another S580 today, yeah I can't agree. Tire noise is a big issue for EVs, I also drove a Lucid Air today and the S580 (and my S560) is considerably quieter in the tire and ambient noise department. The S580 is also the quietest vehicle I have ever driven, and I have driven basically everything. I measured 58 dB at 80 MPH and my S560 measured on the same road right after was 59/60. The Lucid was 62.
S Classes are remarkably well isolated from tire noise, far moreso than the Lexus LSs I had before which were also extremely quiet.
S Classes are remarkably well isolated from tire noise, far moreso than the Lexus LSs I had before which were also extremely quiet.
I don't know if I got lucky but I have a lot of issues with my current 23 EQS but never had any issue regarding rattles or squeaks German build helps?. The EQS is very quiet more than the W222 and about the same as 223 or even quieter.
Tire noise can't be heard at all. I turned the artificial noise off too and the car is just driving in silence unless I put the car in reverse which makes "beep beep" noise.
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I test drove a Tesla Model S today and yeah, bring on the EVs lol. The Model S is a very fun car but wouldn’t work for me, it just doesn’t go down the road like an S Class, but it is a rocket.
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I'd expect majority of S-class owners (or those who have been riding S-class for years) to say the same. Will like the car a lot, but the comfort (boat driving style) is on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. I had to leave the boss-ride style aside when I switched from S-class to Model S. They are very different vehicles. Glad you test drove the car and had a feeling of it. I agree, too, bring the EVs, lol. Can't wait for a fully electrified W223 (EQS is not for me). I don't think I'll switch to ICE, but u never know. Note: riding the Model S on 19' with 36-37 tire pressure would A LOT... but still won't be even close to an S-class, probably closer to E-class suspension-comfort with 19" and lower tire pressure, but a bit sportier. It certainly rides better on the track, but in town-comfort or rough highway isn't even close to W222 ride quality.
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I am late to the discussion and I didnt read the entire thread so someone may have already addressed this...
From what I Googled, energy cost in LA is 28 ¢/kilowatt-hour (kWh). Lets round that up to 30 ¢/kWh
The EQS averages 3.3 Miles/kWh or more depending on an individuals driving style
Let assume that you drive like a demon and round that down to 3 Miles/kWh
So in order for your electric bill to go up $300 you would have to be driving over 3,000 a month. ($300 / $0.30 x 3Miles/kWh = 3000)
If you actually do drive 3,000 miles a month... the equivalent Gas cost would be way over $300 my friend.
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I am not calling you a liar but you are probably not telling the truth.
I am late to the discussion and I didnt read the entire thread so someone may have already addressed this...
From what I Googled, energy cost in LA is 28 ¢/kilowatt-hour (kWh). Lets round that up to 30 ¢/kWh
The EQS averages 3.3 Miles/kWh or more depending on an individuals driving style
Let assume that you drive like a demon and round that down to 3 Miles/kWh
So in order for your electric bill to go up $300 you would have to be driving over 3,000 a month. ($300 / $0.30 x 3Miles/kWh = 3000)
If you actually do drive 3,000 miles a month... the equivalent Gas cost would be way over $300 my friend.
I am late to the discussion and I didnt read the entire thread so someone may have already addressed this...
From what I Googled, energy cost in LA is 28 ¢/kilowatt-hour (kWh). Lets round that up to 30 ¢/kWh
The EQS averages 3.3 Miles/kWh or more depending on an individuals driving style
Let assume that you drive like a demon and round that down to 3 Miles/kWh
So in order for your electric bill to go up $300 you would have to be driving over 3,000 a month. ($300 / $0.30 x 3Miles/kWh = 3000)
If you actually do drive 3,000 miles a month... the equivalent Gas cost would be way over $300 my friend.
Here is a real-life example from someone who owned a W222 V8 engine as well as Tesla Model S (2 weeks each for the past 30 days).
** Tesla Model S real-life driving efficiency: 215 Wh/mile in-town--> that converts to 215 kWh needed for a 1000 mile. Cost of electricity where I live is 0.1 $/kWh (0.15 during the day and 0.05 at night, and hence I will assume half my charge occurs during high prices and half of it at night although 95% of it occurs at night). --> cost to drive 1000 miles = 0.1 x 215 = 21.5 USD for 1000 miles. --> if I charge at night most of the time instead of day hours, that would become 10.25 USD / 1000 mile.
** W222 real-life MPG = 17.5 mpg in-town, that converts to 1000 miles / 17.5 = 57 gallons of gas needed for a 1000 miles. --> assuming 4 USD/gallon, that equals 228 USD for 1000 miles (>10 times more).
However I do it, driving my EV (based on my own boundary conditions), would always cost me only ~9% of what my W222 or average V8 500 hp engine would need.
After-all, before I made the decision, I have never ever factored in gas savings or cost/mile in my decision. I don't think anyone buying 100K car should even calculate that (but that's just me). Maybe I'd factor that in the math if I decide to trade our BMW X5 for a Model Y, or 5-series for a Model 3 or so... but not for something close to S-class to Model S or EQS comparison.
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L.A. has some of the highest electricity rates in the county and makes a bad example for comparison unless you're intentionally trying to rig the results like a democrat counting ballots. But even there you can save a lot of money by charging off-peak. LADWP summer rates, as of August 2023, drop from $0.2950 to $0.2091 per kWh between 8PM and 9AM.
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Agreed.
Here is a real-life example from someone who owned a W222 V8 engine as well as Tesla Model S (2 weeks each for the past 30 days).
** Tesla Model S real-life driving efficiency: 215 Wh/mile in-town--> that converts to 215 kWh needed for a 1000 mile. Cost of electricity where I live is 0.1 $/kWh (0.15 during the day and 0.05 at night, and hence I will assume half my charge occurs during high prices and half of it at night although 95% of it occurs at night). --> cost to drive 1000 miles = 0.1 x 215 = 21.5 USD for 1000 miles. --> if I charge at night most of the time instead of day hours, that would become 10.25 USD / 1000 mile.
** W222 real-life MPG = 17.5 mpg in-town, that converts to 1000 miles / 17.5 = 57 gallons of gas needed for a 1000 miles. --> assuming 4 USD/gallon, that equals 228 USD for 1000 miles (>10 times more).
However I do it, driving my EV (based on my own boundary conditions), would always cost me only ~9% of what my W222 or average V8 500 hp engine would need.
After-all, before I made the decision, I have never ever factored in gas savings or cost/mile in my decision. I don't think anyone buying 100K car should even calculate that (but that's just me). Maybe I'd factor that in the math if I decide to trade our BMW X5 for a Model Y, or 5-series for a Model 3 or so... but not for something close to S-class to Model S or EQS comparison.
Here is a real-life example from someone who owned a W222 V8 engine as well as Tesla Model S (2 weeks each for the past 30 days).
** Tesla Model S real-life driving efficiency: 215 Wh/mile in-town--> that converts to 215 kWh needed for a 1000 mile. Cost of electricity where I live is 0.1 $/kWh (0.15 during the day and 0.05 at night, and hence I will assume half my charge occurs during high prices and half of it at night although 95% of it occurs at night). --> cost to drive 1000 miles = 0.1 x 215 = 21.5 USD for 1000 miles. --> if I charge at night most of the time instead of day hours, that would become 10.25 USD / 1000 mile.
** W222 real-life MPG = 17.5 mpg in-town, that converts to 1000 miles / 17.5 = 57 gallons of gas needed for a 1000 miles. --> assuming 4 USD/gallon, that equals 228 USD for 1000 miles (>10 times more).
However I do it, driving my EV (based on my own boundary conditions), would always cost me only ~9% of what my W222 or average V8 500 hp engine would need.
After-all, before I made the decision, I have never ever factored in gas savings or cost/mile in my decision. I don't think anyone buying 100K car should even calculate that (but that's just me). Maybe I'd factor that in the math if I decide to trade our BMW X5 for a Model Y, or 5-series for a Model 3 or so... but not for something close to S-class to Model S or EQS comparison.
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Honestly I never factored in the environmental aspect for any car I ever bought, not even when I got an EV. Same way I wouldn't care about getting a car A vs B because I'll save a few dollars on gas. I drive the car for the spirit of driving a toy, nothing else. I might give a value for some of the other factors, but not much. Being a toy is the number 1 factor. This is not a recommendation nor a claim that this is the right way to look at things, but that's just me.
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Has nothing to do with the environment or global warming for me. I'd just rather give the money to St Jude dot org than the war mongering oil and gas "industry"/racket. It's kind of funny really that the National Socialist Democrats are undermining their own war machine and they don't even know it. LOL... sometimes people accidentally do the right thing for the wrong reason.
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Give the political BS a rest please.
For me it’s just about the drive of the vehicle. The EVs are just awesome, so much better. There’s nothing not to like in how they drive in a big luxury sedan like this. If I can stop spending empty money on gas that’s an added bonus to me.
For me it’s just about the drive of the vehicle. The EVs are just awesome, so much better. There’s nothing not to like in how they drive in a big luxury sedan like this. If I can stop spending empty money on gas that’s an added bonus to me.
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Give the political BS a rest please.
For me it’s just about the drive of the vehicle. The EVs are just awesome, so much better. There’s nothing not to like in how they drive in a big luxury sedan like this. If I can stop spending empty money on gas that’s an added bonus to me.
For me it’s just about the drive of the vehicle. The EVs are just awesome, so much better. There’s nothing not to like in how they drive in a big luxury sedan like this. If I can stop spending empty money on gas that’s an added bonus to me.
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Absolutely. For instance I am considering a new 7 series, after driving the i7 I have zero interest in a 760. If there were an EV W223 I would not even consider an S580.
If any of you have never driven a high end EV, you have to.
If any of you have never driven a high end EV, you have to.
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If you want the 7-series, I'd 100% go for with the i7. The new V8 drivetrains of BMW are all having issues. Seems like software related than anything else. I don't know for sure, but I believe the i7 or the EV variant of most vehicles would have less chance to see some of these issues that BMW is dealing with. We've considered trading in our X5 for the newer PHEV X5 by end of this year, but we decided to wait at least another year. I am very active on the BMW forums, and majority of X7 and X5 new owners are having all kind of drivetrain errors with the new vehicles. Not many i7 owners yet to get to a solid conclusion, though there might be some issues there, but certainly less risky than the V8 approach. I loved every V8 BMW I ever owned, even more than my W222......They drive and shift really nice and the cars have a real soul in them. V8 BMW vehicle is probably the only ICE vehicle I'd ever own going forward if a given car is only available as an ICE variant (i.e.: X7). For all other models/brands, I think I'd only consider the EV options going forward. Still mad that I wasn't able to find a dream M760 V12 (2020-2022) when I was shopping a month ago.
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Yeah, it’s started with ID8. I have disabled it on every BMW I owned to date through ID7. ID8 have some limitations as far as coding but am sure people will figure it out. I lost interest recently and don’t have the time, but I posted a number of threads with spreadsheets for exterior and interior lights coding and few other features on BMWs, good days and it was fun. The BMW community is way more collaborative on those ends. They just found a way (forum users) to unlock the adaptive headlights on ID8 cars, so am sure it won’t take long to find a solution for ***. I haven’t been keeping up with these stuff as much as I used to. Anyway, *** coding won’t even matter for EVs, lol. Can’t wait for a full EV X7, that’s be my ultimate car now, but may not see it until 2026 unfortunately.
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