Well, thank you, that photo by itself is enough. As for 7-series not selling… my local dealer had 2 of them unsold for 6 months. Last I’ve checked one of them again was a couple weeks ago when I was there for my X5 annual service —> photo below…of course, in white the front end is even worse and am not surprised it won’t sell. Am sure they sell faster in some areas, but, I am yet to see any other car that lasts that long on their lot, excluding the XM. They sell a bunch of 8-series and X7 yet with similar price tag. Before this generation, I don’t recall they ever had any 7-series sitting on the lot (you had to be on the waiting list “specifically for the 7-series” to even get one as I previously ordered a PHEV 7-series that I canceled 3 months later when I found a 5-series PHEV).

 

My Mercedes dealer has multiple S classes that have been unsold for months too. That’s normal for flagship sedans. I was searching nationwide for the right S Class and it’s very common to find units on the ground that have been there since April, etc. It was also totally normal to see the previous model sit on the lot for months and months, both the W222 and the previous 7 Series. My W222 was built 8 months before I bought it. Especially white ones.

I agree M Sport in white isn’t the spec. Looking at the valet pic though, my eyes are immediately drawn to the 7 and then I realize “oh that’s an S Class too” that’s the difference. Look how much smaller the S looks.

 

I agree the 223 looks more elegant, but I also like what BMW is doing here in this class. Darker color with the M-Sport, or I7 front in grey just looks better to me now. It did grow on me. As stated, all subjective.

 

I had the exact same experience

 

See? I’m not crazy lol

 

The only people on this thread who prefer the BMW are the people who don't own EVs and would never buy one anyway.

If you are a serious EV buyer or owner then you would know that range matters, and range is the achilles heel of the i5 and i7 - because those cars are not engineered to be EVs.

 

Hmm. I drive a Mercedes-Benz EQ and I prefer the interior and exterior of the 7 series to the EQS/223. I agree that the BMW EV approach reduces range, but what about convincing those that may not want an EV to get one? I'd say the BMW approach works best here.

I also prefer the styling of the I5 to the EQE. Not by a lot, but still. Lucid has proven that stying and efficiency can both be good. Once they fix their horrendous software i may go that route.

 

I've purchased six EVs, and prefer the BMW to everything on the market. A few things to note: EPA range is horribly inconsistent between makes/models. You need to look at independent testing at 70, 75+ mph.
Then, the charge curve. Some cars charge faster than others. Instead of range, think of total A-B trip time.

Tesla Superchargers are vastly better than everything else in the US, but other networks can be workable. It didn't take 75k electric miles to figure that out, but I did it anyway.

I would buy the car that serves my needs spectacularly 95% of the time versus the one that can do-it-all, that's kinda how the SUV mess started anyway. So I don't want to sit in a Tesla all day every day because I might need to take 4 road trips per year. If you are buying an i7 you will likely have another car for road trips, or if you elect to drive over flying (e.g. trip lengths where the infrastructure differences become meaningful) you might have a little extra time to charge on those 250 + mile one way trips.

FWIW, my favorite EV by far (not counted in the six), is my e-bike. LOL

 

Right before I got my LS. around 2019 I believe. I was close to getting a W222. It was unsold for over a year. So old that there was so no longer a lease option for it.

 

That is not true at all. I can promise you that I am a very serious potential EV buyer. Range matters but I won't drive a car I don't like just to get range, and I don't like and will never buy an EQS, I hate them inside and out. I want a car that looks like a car, I love that the i7 looks like the gas 7. There are lots and lots of people like me I promise you. I test drove the 760 and i7 back to back and I would much rather have the i7.

And the i5 and i7 ARE engineered to be EVs, they are simply engineered to accept both powertrains. From the design get go they were designed to be EVs.

Yep! I almost bought a 2019 in Nov of 2020 that was unsold and couldn't be leased...

 

I wouldn't say that range matters because I will never under any circumstances take an EV on a road trip until such time as the current charging tech changes. I chafe at filling times when getting gas, there is no chance I'm waiting on an EV to charge.

For me it's local area only and this describes everyone I know that has an EV: All of them have another car(s). They are all garage chargers. None of them go electric on road trips.

I do recognize that a lot of people do care, they do use charging stations, but the are not the only people buying EVs .

 

I actually know lots of people who take their EVs on road trips.

 

Pretty broad statement. Range certainly matters, however when spending into the 100's looks and style matter too. The EQS does not exactly excel in that department, as another member commented, EQS looks more like a computer mouse.

 

If interested, here's a video from an entertaining duo about how the upper echelon handles electrification:

 

Agreed, and I do believe the majority if not even all non-EV owners have no idea how low the mileage is on all EV BMWs. My very conservatives opinion, it does not work for majority of road trips that exceeds 150 miles. Don't ask me how an EPA 300 miles range on an EV is actually no more than 150-180 usable miles that u can actually use and drive. Plus, If you arrive at your destination with 10% battery level, this means u can't even drive anymore locally. THIS IS TERRIBLE. A good EV would leave your home at 90% charge level max, and after a decent (say 250 miles trip) arrive with more than 35% battery level so that at least you can navigate locally at your destination and enjoy rather than taking the family to a charging stations under the sun for 30 min to recahrge. I can't see that possible on any BMW right now. You need a minimum of 400 to 420 miles EPA fully battery range to get a true 250 usable miles range. Winter time? you'd only get 60-70% of that. I couldn't even consider the i5 for us even though I've owned the majority of PHEV BMW sedans in the past 9 series. The i7 has the same exact range issue. 2nd issue commonly seen in most i4 vehicles, the battery degradation after a year of usage is higher than the competition, in the 5-10% range before it settles. That's one thing that EQS / Mbenz does much better than BMW right now (range and batteries). The electric motor on both of the sucks (whining noise). W223 PHEV is the only reasonable EVish vehicle to get in my view in the meantime (at least for german cars).

 

Come on lol, youve had a EV for 3 weeks. We understand plenty. None of the range tests of the i7 suggest that it would at all be limited to 150 miles. Range tests are all over YouTube. Teslas routinely don’t live up to their range claims, but the German EVs seem to exceed them. BMW not as much as Mercedes, but they do exceed them. I was talking to a friend of mine with an iX and he says his gets better than advertised range and he loves it.

 

LFP batteries last 2-4X longer and they're much less likely to catch fire if charged to 100%. They don't charge as fast though.

EDIT: Point being, there's really not much of a range difference when you can charge a SR Model 3 to 100% and use all of the 250 miles vs a 300 mile EV that has to be limited to 80% charge so you don't burn the house down. Only really matters if you road trip in an EV or can't charge at home.

 

EPA range is really nonsense. There are five test "cycles" that the manufacturers can choose from. It's also heavily biased towards slower speeds.
If you want an accurate government test that is also biased towards slower speeds, WLTP is excellent. It's consistent among all vehicles. Multiply by .7 for an idea of highway range.

Edmunds, C&D, and various Youtubers have MUCH more accurate tests than EPA for the simple reason that they attempt to be scientific.

Edmunds's test is again low speed, but it shows some interesting things https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ele...s-edmunds.html
Most manufactures are somewhat conservative with numbers. Tesla is getting better, but still more "optimistic" than any other brand.

One test I've seen (Bjorn Nyland on Youtube) of the i7 shows 330 miles at 55 mph, and 250 miles at 75 mph in 40F temps on winter tires. The EPA range is 300 miles.
The Model S Plaid in an identical situation gets about 5 miles better in each, with a 348 mile EPA range.

But again, if you compare the total A-B trip time (driving + charging time), some lower range EVs are actually competitive. Yes, there is a caveat that infrastructure (e.g. non-Tesla) must be good.

 

Danggit, did you hear this in the i7? I thought the i4 was among the absolute best with quieting this noise.
Yes, Teslas are often better when they use expensive silicon carbide inverters. Caveat is they don't always use these in both motors.

SiC pushes the switching frequencies much higher. Funnily enough, with my e-bike the switching frequency is just outside of my hearing range (18 kHz), while my EVs were "comfortably" in my hearing range (6-15 kHz for most of them).

Is it possible you were hearing the "propulsion sounds" that are designed to mask these noises? I expect the vast majority of people will not be able to hear the switching frequencies, and fewer will be as bothered with them as I am. Oddly though the only EQS owner that I know is in his mid 50s and that is his number one complaint with the car.

 

Wow. But anyway; false. let me ask if it’s true that u probably need a minimum of 1-2 years from today to accumulate the ownership length and miles I had with EV and PHEVs combined; so I feel comfortable about my personal experience baseline. I never had an EV as my own daily drive, but I had 3 PHEV cars, my wife owned an iX for 11 months and were were among the very first buyers in the US to get our iX at that time. Yes I didn’t drove it much neither it was mine; but I surely learned a lot about EV during those 11 months and 12K miles and family trips. Recently I have rented the majority of EVs for 3 months one after another utilizing my company contract with one of the rental’s companies for nearly no cost per day, accumulating over 3000-4000 miles (I didn’t count but an estimate) as we are always traveling and that was a good and cheap opportunity to test several of them. The only one I couldn’t get was the EQS but I test drove a few and spoke and posted a few threads under the EQS forum. My current EV which I now had for 6 weeks*** have over 2k miles. There is no reason for u to be toxic or to personalize the issue as u do sometimes by making false assumptions about others in an effort to devalue them or their experience especially when my post was not addressed to u. As others told u before, we all can play the “I know it all” game, but I have no interest in such debate or back and forth; Pass. You can always take the “my friend told me” story as the validation; It’s your choice but again try to steer away from judging people. I shared what I know based on experience and knowledge and the estimates I shared had boundary conditions that u may have failed to understand, so I encourage u to take the “my friend told me” story as a validation as that’s easier for me.

 

This matches my experience. Almost every single EV I tested fails to get even close to it’s EPA or manufacturer range at 75 MPH. The 330 to 250 drop in range is even an optimistic estimate. The different between 75 MPH vs 80 MPH is shocking too. I hardly believe the 250 at 75 MPH would even translate to 200 miles at 85 MPG at best. Factor in any harsh winter conditions and a reasonable 90% to 15% usable capacity, the numbers become disappointing. For my personal use, I estimate that I need a 500 miles EV before I can count on it under all conditions to get me 350 miles of “usable” range. Beside the Hummer EV and the higher lucid trims, I am not aware of any EV that has 500 miles range, but non of these two vehicles was something I wanted to consider for now. I don’t want an SUV, and with the Lucid, am concerned about the lack of service shops in my area.

 

Test drove the i7, and the i7, and have short term experience with the iX. It all depends on your baseline and hearing sensitivity. To me, they were beyond what I consider as optimal. I4 was fine despite not having that much of insulation. As for EQS, in fact, if you talk to owners and test drive one, you will find the winning noise to be a very common issue. The car is super quite, but the motors have a whining noise. Agree that Tesla certainly has the best motors noise wise. Going back to the EQS whining noise, that was also reported by several YouTubers, and I certainly agree. You are right about the “propulsion sounds”, they help, but still am referring to the whining noise from the motors themselves. The worst was EQS for sure, but the iX, i4 and i7 all had whining noise too. Again, I understand the i4 due to the poor insulation around, but I see no excuse why a car like the EQS has that much whining noise. Am like you, really sensitive to noise in that range.

 

I’m not the one who is devaluing others experiences lol. When you’ve had an EV for a long period of time and taken them on multiple road trips you can tell us how you have so
much experience you can discount what we are saying.



Having owned a Tesla for 6 weeks doesn’t qualify you to tell us we don’t understand the mileage of a car that you also have no practical experience with.

I heard no electric whine whatsoever in the i7s I drove. I did hear that in the Lucid and found it troublesome.

 

I can’t wait to get my certificate of qualification from you when I pass X years and Y miles with Z trips lololol SMH.

 

It’s pretty simple, if you’re going to refute the results of all of the real world mileage tests that are out there, having driven the car on at least one trip yourself would seem a reasonable experience to expect. I’ve read and watched them all and there is nothing to back up your claim of 150 miles.