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It is a theme that reviews rather than real life experiences appears to be your guide. I find them inaccurate at best simply because they don't drive like I do. Most range tests are carefully driven and even the 70 mph tests are cruise control driven on the right lane to be passed by the real traffic. Just not like I drive. I have driven various Model S's over time and never gotten 200 miles out of them so to me the claim seems legit, especially when cold. To be fair, I could never get 250 miles out of our AMG's either Originally Posted by SW20S
It’s pretty simple, if you’re going to refute the results of all of the real world mileage tests that are out there, having driven the car on at least one trip yourself would seem a reasonable experience to expect. I’ve read and watched them all and there is nothing to back up your claim of 150 miles.

That said, in most scenarios none of that matters as many cars get charged at home and driven around in the city. Even low range cars are completely sufficient, provided nobody forgets to plug-in at night.
I think BMW's build very usable EV's but the combined ICE/EV design is a compromised concept. Great cost containment for manufacturers but not optimized for either.
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That said, in most scenarios none of that matters as many cars get charged at home and driven around in the city. Even low range cars are completely sufficient, provided nobody forgets to plug-in at night.
I think BMW's build very usable EV's but the combined ICE/EV design is a compromised concept. Great cost containment for manufacturers but not optimized for either.
Exactly; and that was the reason I said, u never know until you try it yourself. Until then, the youtubers and (my friend told me) as well as EPA approaches remain nothing but a hype for the outsiders who think they know something now. I think every EV on the market works just fine for in-town daily trips. However, for highway routes and trips, that is a completely different story. A few selected set of examples that most people don't realize:Originally Posted by Wolfman
It is a theme that reviews rather than real life experiences appears to be your guide. I find them inaccurate at best simply because they don't drive like I do. Most range tests are carefully driven and even the 70 mph tests are cruise control driven on the right lane to be passed by the real traffic. Just not like I drive. I have driven various Model S's over time and never gotten 200 miles out of them so to me the claim seems legit, especially when cold. To be fair, I could never get 250 miles out of our AMG's either 
That said, in most scenarios none of that matters as many cars get charged at home and driven around in the city. Even low range cars are completely sufficient, provided nobody forgets to plug-in at night.
I think BMW's build very usable EV's but the combined ICE/EV design is a compromised concept. Great cost containment for manufacturers but not optimized for either.
1. On road trip, you rarely ever can count on re-accessing (re-charging) the 90-100% capacity, simply because of the charge curves. It just takes forever to go through those in a way that it is not even efficient to wait for it. I doubt the majority of people knows what charge curves are. Anyway, let's say that the consumer can wait for that slow charging between 90 to 100% in the middle of a trip, the majority of luxury cars have lithium ion batteries and it's never advised to exceed 90%. In fact, research shows that even 80% (when possible) should be the limit to avoid degradation. Hence, there we go, 10% of immediate loss from the YouTubers and (my friend told me) standards; at least for me.
2. You would never ever want to aim to arrive with less than 15% at your destination. If you are on a trip, you need to always make sure there is a minimum of 15%. That 15% guarantees that you have enough charge to part over-night, navigate to a tire shop, have emergency 15%. Beside all of that, it is never advisable to let the charge level go below 15% on lithium ion batteries to avoid degradation. Hence, another 15% that are not within what I refer to as the "usable" range, combined with #1, that is 25%.
3. Driving on highway by itself is another 20% hit and I could care less about what YouTubers say with my firsthand experience. Most of the time we never drive at 65 mph in the US. From experience, all EVs have a HUGE range hit by just going from 70 to 75, or 75 to 85 MPH. In the US, most of the time I personally drive close to 78 MPH in a 75 MPH zone, etc etc. As you said, in real world, highway miles cause another 10-20% hit or so. On EVs that were designed to be an EV (low drag coefficient like EQS or Tesla cars) they tend to do better efficiency wise at high speed. EQS drag coefficient is 0.2. i7 because it was design as an Ice+EV has a compromised drag coefficient of 0.24. The impact of drag coefficient is minimal for in-town driving and speeds at or below 65MPH. However, I bet that for every 5MPH above 65 MPH that i7 would see a very serious drop in range even more than that of other EVs that are designed from day-1 to be a pure EV. The same is true for the i5 despite that I almost bought one.
4. Occasional trips against wind --> my tesla calculates 15% hit when I drive south against normal slow speed wind, although I get those back when I drive North back home, but I know that my range from home to my destination during the first route is already compromised, which I do compensate for it by charging to 90% at home instead of 80% as needed. I'd never do 100%, ever, period. Wind is a big deal, but am yet to also experience rain. I now have taken over 18 trips of 100+miles trips on my car, and did more than 50 trips with rental EVs I had in the past 3 months. They all acted the same on different highway routes (iX, i4, EQS, EQE, Model Y, Model S, Model X, Lucid).
5. WINTER TIME!!.. that's is the big hit.... at the very least I would say 10-20% (even conservetiivably) based on reports from others, and my personal experience says the same. Under very very harsh winter for those who live in areas wherein temp can drop to the 20-30 degF and lower, 25-45% drop is not that crazy to expect. recurrentauto is a very legit resource and shows i3 drop as ~25% in winter, Model S 4% though I've seen people reporting 20%, and Ford Mach-E as ~30%. That does not even factor in harsh winter on days below 20 degF or rain.
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If I pay 100K+ for a car, I would want it to be a true replacement for an ICE car under all conditions, not just a garage queen or summer vehicle especially for road trips or high way trips. Hence, If I take point #1 above, #2, #3, IGNORE #4 to be conservative, and take #5 but consider only normal winter temps, that is a 100% - 10% - 15% - (~15%) - (~15%) = 45%. Exactly the same reason I said a 300 miles is useless for me as I won't get more than 165 miles under an average trip during winter time, and possibly on days wherein wind is against me, temperature is below 32 degF. I may not even get 135 miles (that's not even factoring in rain conditions), which is why I said a 250-300 miles EV is useless for me and worth nothing as I do drive my cars on highway. I would probably be okay if my Accord has limitations as to when and how I can use it, but not for a 100K+ car.. Is that the same for all others? No if you drive always during summer, cruise control at 65-70MPH, and beat your car from 100% level or wait that long to charge, and risk it down to 10%, then the very best anyone would get is 250 miles of usable range out of a 300 miles EPA. That is the reason I considered 400 and even 500 EPA range being the absolute minimum I would personally consider. Let's not even talk about the charge curves and how that differs from one car to another.2. You would never ever want to aim to arrive with less than 15% at your destination. If you are on a trip, you need to always make sure there is a minimum of 15%. That 15% guarantees that you have enough charge to part over-night, navigate to a tire shop, have emergency 15%. Beside all of that, it is never advisable to let the charge level go below 15% on lithium ion batteries to avoid degradation. Hence, another 15% that are not within what I refer to as the "usable" range, combined with #1, that is 25%.
3. Driving on highway by itself is another 20% hit and I could care less about what YouTubers say with my firsthand experience. Most of the time we never drive at 65 mph in the US. From experience, all EVs have a HUGE range hit by just going from 70 to 75, or 75 to 85 MPH. In the US, most of the time I personally drive close to 78 MPH in a 75 MPH zone, etc etc. As you said, in real world, highway miles cause another 10-20% hit or so. On EVs that were designed to be an EV (low drag coefficient like EQS or Tesla cars) they tend to do better efficiency wise at high speed. EQS drag coefficient is 0.2. i7 because it was design as an Ice+EV has a compromised drag coefficient of 0.24. The impact of drag coefficient is minimal for in-town driving and speeds at or below 65MPH. However, I bet that for every 5MPH above 65 MPH that i7 would see a very serious drop in range even more than that of other EVs that are designed from day-1 to be a pure EV. The same is true for the i5 despite that I almost bought one.
4. Occasional trips against wind --> my tesla calculates 15% hit when I drive south against normal slow speed wind, although I get those back when I drive North back home, but I know that my range from home to my destination during the first route is already compromised, which I do compensate for it by charging to 90% at home instead of 80% as needed. I'd never do 100%, ever, period. Wind is a big deal, but am yet to also experience rain. I now have taken over 18 trips of 100+miles trips on my car, and did more than 50 trips with rental EVs I had in the past 3 months. They all acted the same on different highway routes (iX, i4, EQS, EQE, Model Y, Model S, Model X, Lucid).
5. WINTER TIME!!.. that's is the big hit.... at the very least I would say 10-20% (even conservetiivably) based on reports from others, and my personal experience says the same. Under very very harsh winter for those who live in areas wherein temp can drop to the 20-30 degF and lower, 25-45% drop is not that crazy to expect. recurrentauto is a very legit resource and shows i3 drop as ~25% in winter, Model S 4% though I've seen people reporting 20%, and Ford Mach-E as ~30%. That does not even factor in harsh winter on days below 20 degF or rain.
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Random examples below for those who prefer YouTubers and website as a validation reference than first-hand experiences or research articles. Note that recurrent auto is a legit resource with live and real-life data from vehicles on the road.


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That said, in most scenarios none of that matters as many cars get charged at home and driven around in the city. Even low range cars are completely sufficient, provided nobody forgets to plug-in at night.
I think BMW's build very usable EV's but the combined ICE/EV design is a compromised concept. Great cost containment for manufacturers but not optimized for either.
I would much rather hear first hand experience than reviews…but you have to have first hand experience. Having owned a completely different EV from a different manufacturer for a brief time does not equal that experience. What I am saying is I value reviews more than opinions with no experience behind them. Everybody can have an opinion, doesn’t mean they have any value.Originally Posted by Wolfman
It is a theme that reviews rather than real life experiences appears to be your guide. I find them inaccurate at best simply because they don't drive like I do. Most range tests are carefully driven and even the 70 mph tests are cruise control driven on the right lane to be passed by the real traffic. Just not like I drive. I have driven various Model S's over time and never gotten 200 miles out of them so to me the claim seems legit, especially when cold. To be fair, I could never get 250 miles out of our AMG's either 
That said, in most scenarios none of that matters as many cars get charged at home and driven around in the city. Even low range cars are completely sufficient, provided nobody forgets to plug-in at night.
I think BMW's build very usable EV's but the combined ICE/EV design is a compromised concept. Great cost containment for manufacturers but not optimized for either.
150 miles of range is an extremely bold claim with absolutely nothing to back it up. Choosing to charge after 150 miles is different than saying the car only gets 150 miles of range. Sure now we can throw lots of worst case scenarios at it to try and substantiate it “oh I meant in the cold” “oh you want at least this much range when you get there” etc.
I don’t know anybody with an i7 but I do know someone with an iX who roadtrips with it loaded and with a surfboard on top and he went well over 200 miles in between charging stops going down 95. If you want some of the range tests on YouTube too the testers are going faster than 65 MPH.
I’m just saying if you’re going to refute the data published by accredited testers (not just YT, Edmunds etc) you need to have at least some real experience to back that up.
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150 miles of range is an extremely bold claim with absolutely nothing to back it up. Choosing to charge after 150 miles is different than saying the car only gets 150 miles of range. Sure now we can throw lots of worst case scenarios at it to try and substantiate it “oh I meant in the cold” “oh you want at least this much range when you get there” etc.
I don’t know anybody with an i7 but I do know someone with an iX who roadtrips with it loaded and with a surfboard on top and he went well over 200 miles in between charging stops going down 95. If you want some of the range tests on YouTube too the testers are going faster than 65 MPH.
I’m just saying if you’re going to refute the data published by accredited testers (not just YT, Edmunds etc) you need to have at least some real experience to back that up.
I assume this was directed at another person but if not, I have all the experience I needed Originally Posted by SW20S
I would much rather hear first hand experience than reviews…but you have to have first hand experience. Having owned a completely different EV from a different manufacturer for a brief time does not equal that experience. What I am saying is I value reviews more than opinions with no experience behind them. Everybody can have an opinion, doesn’t mean they have any value.150 miles of range is an extremely bold claim with absolutely nothing to back it up. Choosing to charge after 150 miles is different than saying the car only gets 150 miles of range. Sure now we can throw lots of worst case scenarios at it to try and substantiate it “oh I meant in the cold” “oh you want at least this much range when you get there” etc.
I don’t know anybody with an i7 but I do know someone with an iX who roadtrips with it loaded and with a surfboard on top and he went well over 200 miles in between charging stops going down 95. If you want some of the range tests on YouTube too the testers are going faster than 65 MPH.
I’m just saying if you’re going to refute the data published by accredited testers (not just YT, Edmunds etc) you need to have at least some real experience to back that up.
All range estimates for EV's or MPG numbers for ICE's are aspirational and heavily dependent on the driving behavior. The AMG GTC shows combined mileage of 17mpg, 15 in the city. For me between 10-12mpg. The same goes for EV's. I am not complaining about it but knowing this means I will take any and all reviews with grain of salt. As such I don't share your faith in data published by accredited testers. Not that there is such a thing...SW20S
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Not directed at you at all. I would say though that Teslas seem to underperform their projected range while other EVs seem to outperform.
The way you drive is also a variable within your control. If I’m trying to get as much range as I can I’m not driving 90 MPH.
The way you drive is also a variable within your control. If I’m trying to get as much range as I can I’m not driving 90 MPH.
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I think this chart is BS. According to this chart, Teslas see no range loss in the winter. Our Teslas (S and Y) ranges get cut in half every winter. Originally Posted by S_W222

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Yes, that is exactly what I said in my comment "I've seen people reporting 20%". I see all these numbers as super conservative by these publishers and sources, and as I stated in my comment, my personal experience with Tesla is that I am seeing 20-30% drop. Our experience with the iX also shows that the drop is way higher than the reported one for i3 and was closer to 50%. That's the point... even the most credible sources seem to publish results under an ideal conditions (i.e.: driving all in-town for winter test results wherein Tesla get 20% more range that EPA, or the opposite, driving all on high-way at 70 MPH wherein the range can be 30% higher than 80 MPH). Non of these results is something I would count on to make a decision. Personal experience is priceless and all numbers published and YouTubers are worthless compared to real-life driving, as Wolfman said, not even close.Originally Posted by QuadBenz
I think this chart is BS. According to this chart, Teslas see no range loss in the winter. Our Teslas (S and Y) ranges get cut in half every winter.
Also, to give these guys the credit about the chart, they stated that the chart is based on (manufacturers) estimates "read under the figure in the first post"; which is fair then. They later published a revised graph based on THEIR OWN tests based on real-time usage data combined with on-board metrics, and most of the numbers remain almost in the same range while the Tesla ones showed 15-20% drop, which is close to what am seeing under "fair" weather conditions. Here is the revised graph from their own testing. Even with these numbers, I'd take them with a grain salt as real-life driving would result in much higher drop regardless of weather; just highway speeds alone would change all these results dramatically.
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I just don’t see how YouTubers that record range in real world testing on an actual highway don’t provide data of value. You can watch the test, and you can choose to drive 70 MPH also (many of the tests I watched actually used a 75 MPH average). That is first hand real world experience…if you watch Out of Spec’s tests he’s driving 80+
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I've made the independent testing point to show viability of other EVs, but one overlooked factor is that range doesn't really matter with Teslas.
They have access to a huge, reliable, dead-simple-to-use charge network. They have idiot-proof nav software that tells you where to charge, and for how long.
I could confidently send my grandparents off on a Tesla roadtrip with next to zero information.
They have access to a huge, reliable, dead-simple-to-use charge network. They have idiot-proof nav software that tells you where to charge, and for how long.
I could confidently send my grandparents off on a Tesla roadtrip with next to zero information.
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E for Electric guy was honest about VW's horrible software and now he doesn't get to review new VWs any more.
I think part of my mistake was watching too many reviews from people who were kissing Mercedes' butt so they could get more press cars to review in the future.
I think part of my mistake was watching too many reviews from people who were kissing Mercedes' butt so they could get more press cars to review in the future.
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They have access to a huge, reliable, dead-simple-to-use charge network. They have idiot-proof nav software that tells you where to charge, and for how long.
I could confidently send my grandparents off on a Tesla roadtrip with next to zero information.
UI is one thing, but also charging speed is another factor that most other manufacturers are yet to solve. Not being able to do a quick 250 kW charging when low on charge at least up to 40% or so is a big headache on road trips once you reach your destination. On top of that most manufacturers even have less 70kW charging speed beyond 80% SOC. People think They understand how all that works by watching YouTube but the reality is different; charging speeding, charge depletion against wind, etc. I can't tell you how many folks on these EV forums start to regret their decision. To me, EV is a toy, I love it so much, but at same time at least I understand what I got myself into without trying to deceive myself and convince others along by seeking validation everywhere.Originally Posted by Quietride
I've made the independent testing point to show viability of other EVs, but one overlooked factor is that range doesn't really matter with Teslas.They have access to a huge, reliable, dead-simple-to-use charge network. They have idiot-proof nav software that tells you where to charge, and for how long.
I could confidently send my grandparents off on a Tesla roadtrip with next to zero information.
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I think part of my mistake was watching too many reviews from people who were kissing Mercedes' butt so they could get more press cars to review in the future.
I think VW has good* vehicles, the ID5, 6 and 7 are great cars if they were priced right, but they are way over-priced. My point is, for in-town drive*, these cars are still better than their line up for ICE variants. The issue is, if you try To use VW on road trips or highways and trips that require charging, then yeah, the car is useless just like many other EVs nowadays. I would go with the EQE SUV pre-owned route instead of a brand new VW, as you may find a pre-owned EQE SUV in the 60s, at least it has some acceptable range and just fine charging curve.Originally Posted by Crito
E for Electric guy was honest about VW's horrible software and now he doesn't get to review new VWs any more.I think part of my mistake was watching too many reviews from people who were kissing Mercedes' butt so they could get more press cars to review in the future.
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I could confidently send my grandparents off on a Tesla roadtrip with next to zero information.
True. If the car I was interested in had access to Tesla chargers I wouldn’t worry about this at allOriginally Posted by Quietride
I've made the independent testing point to show viability of other EVs, but one overlooked factor is that range doesn't really matter with Teslas.They have access to a huge, reliable, dead-simple-to-use charge network. They have idiot-proof nav software that tells you where to charge, and for how long.
I could confidently send my grandparents off on a Tesla roadtrip with next to zero information.
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Not true of everyone. I wouldn't call it a toy, but I have no intention of taking my future EV anywhere, it will charge in the garage its entire life. That life will be defined by the lease: I'm not buying the current tech and I'm not about to waste my time thinking about charging for battery longevity; it gets plugged in when I roll back into the garage, the end. Right now range isn't a factor I care much about because every EV will get me around town, none will take me anywhere else, I'm turning the car in when it's over. Until such time as the range/charging equation changes that's my viewpoint. Should technology change that, great, I look forward to it.
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I agree with the pessimistic look that most current EVs are not useful for highway trips. With that said, with a minimum 400 miles range and 250KW charge speed at low SOC, accessible charging network, you could still use the car for long trips. Anything compromise on these metrics means the EV is an in-town daily drive like you said, and that's it for me. That's one reason I think the Lucid with 500+ miles range would have been an awesome car if they had a good charging network.Originally Posted by crabman
Not true of everyone. I wouldn't call it a toy, but I have no intention of taking my future EV anywhere, it will charge in the garage its entire life. That life will be defined by the lease: I'm not buying the current tech and I'm not about to waste my time thinking about charging for battery longevity; it gets plugged in when I roll back into the garage, the end. Right now range isn't a factor I care much about because every EV will get me around town, none will take me anywhere else, I'm turning the car in when it's over. Until such time as the range/charging equation changes that's my viewpoint. Should technology change that, great, I look forward to it.
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Agree that it makes no sense to buy EV's. Leasing is the way to go, given the rapid change in tech.Originally Posted by crabman
Not true of everyone. I wouldn't call it a toy, but I have no intention of taking my future EV anywhere, it will charge in the garage its entire life. That life will be defined by the lease: I'm not buying the current tech and I'm not about to waste my time thinking about charging for battery longevity; it gets plugged in when I roll back into the garage, the end. Right now range isn't a factor I care much about because every EV will get me around town, none will take me anywhere else, I'm turning the car in when it's over. Until such time as the range/charging equation changes that's my viewpoint. Should technology change that, great, I look forward to it.
Same for city driving; the perfect environment for EV's and plugging in at night is one of the biggest benefits. No time wasted going to gas stations, coupled with low charging costs no matter the brand.
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Same for city driving; the perfect environment for EV's and plugging in at night is one of the biggest benefits. No time wasted going to gas stations, coupled with low charging costs no matter the brand.
Agreed. That's one reason I can't wait to get a PHEV W223 with the right options if it can truly deliver 45-60 miles in-town before the engine kicks in. I prefer the feeling of an ICE engine on highway, but the EV dynamics in-town. Originally Posted by Wolfman
Agree that it makes no sense to buy EV's. Leasing is the way to go, given the rapid change in tech.Same for city driving; the perfect environment for EV's and plugging in at night is one of the biggest benefits. No time wasted going to gas stations, coupled with low charging costs no matter the brand.
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I would also only lease an EV...I would also charge every night and not worry about battery longevity.
As to the PHEV W223 I can say our new PHEV Pacifica delivers on its 35 miles of EV range for sure. We have 480 miles on it now and have only used 1/4 tank of fuel. Only challenge is you have to watch your acceleration demands to keep the engine from kicking it in, not as fun around town as a full EV.
As to the PHEV W223 I can say our new PHEV Pacifica delivers on its 35 miles of EV range for sure. We have 480 miles on it now and have only used 1/4 tank of fuel. Only challenge is you have to watch your acceleration demands to keep the engine from kicking it in, not as fun around town as a full EV.
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Hey @Streamliner xhexk this i7 video out. This car does not have the crystal controls. This is an overseas model, still has the crystal light bar but the seat controls and console controls are not crystal.
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Same for city driving; the perfect environment for EV's and plugging in at night is one of the biggest benefits. No time wasted going to gas stations, coupled with low charging costs no matter the brand.
Originally Posted by Wolfman
Agree that it makes no sense to buy EV's. Leasing is the way to go, given the rapid change in tech.Same for city driving; the perfect environment for EV's and plugging in at night is one of the biggest benefits. No time wasted going to gas stations, coupled with low charging costs no matter the brand.
Exactly. This is not a pessimistic viewpoint; it's just the reality of looking at use cases and what works for me. I've owned ICE cars and used them in the exact same way, had sports cars and trucks all my life that were only used for their strengths, I wasn't casting shade on EVs.
To the thread in general I'd like to ask... What is a road trip; the classic 1500-mile drive up or down a coast? Or does charging once a couple of hours away from home count as a road trip? To me the long distance concept is a road trip, if I drove up to my house 2 hours north no one I know would call that a road trip, I wouldn't think of it as a road trip, I'm just driving somewhere that's a few hours away. EVs seem to get a little different consideration: You will hear EV owners making what would just be "driving there" in a gas car into a road trip because they charged away from home once or twice. I'm not trying to be pedantic or argue semantics, it feels like there's a somewhat different definition for what constitutes a road trip, ICE versus EV.
What turns a drive into a road trip?
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MUCH better!Originally Posted by SW20S
Hey @Streamliner xhexk this i7 video out. This car does not have the crystal controls. This is an overseas model, still has the crystal light bar but the seat controls and console controls are not crystal.https://youtu.be/vkl8kD1yR7w?si=ABvN4wFdqjfNa5T_
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What turns a drive into a road trip?
Personally, any further than 350-400 miles (5-6 hours) and I'm not driving. Thats just my personal opinion. I know people enjoy long roadtrips, we don't lol. So for me a "road trip" is no longer than 6 hours driving, and with a car like an i7 should only require one charging stop, maybe 2 if its winter or if its closer to 400 miles. Originally Posted by crabman
To the thread in general I'd like to ask... What is a road trip; the classic 1500-mile drive up or down a coast? Or does charging once a couple of hours away from home count as a road trip? To me the long distance concept is a road trip, if I drove up to my house 2 hours north no one I know would call that a road trip, I wouldn't think of it as a road trip, I'm just driving somewhere that's a few hours away. EVs seem to get a little different consideration: You will hear EV owners making what would just be "driving there" in a gas car into a road trip because they charged away from home once or twice. I'm not trying to be pedantic or argue semantics, it feels like there's a somewhat different definition for what constitutes a road trip, ICE versus EV.What turns a drive into a road trip?
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Thats the first I have ever seen, and that car is not a base car either, it has the suede headliner and the rear screen. Is this an option for 24s or just an overseas thing I wonder? Originally Posted by Streamliner
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To the thread in general I'd like to ask... What is a road trip; the classic 1500-mile drive up or down a coast? Or does charging once a couple of hours away from home count as a road trip? To me the long distance concept is a road trip, if I drove up to my house 2 hours north no one I know would call that a road trip, I wouldn't think of it as a road trip, I'm just driving somewhere that's a few hours away. EVs seem to get a little different consideration: You will hear EV owners making what would just be "driving there" in a gas car into a road trip because they charged away from home once or twice. I'm not trying to be pedantic or argue semantics, it feels like there's a somewhat different definition for what constitutes a road trip, ICE versus EV.
What turns a drive into a road trip?
We did anywhere from 400-1200 mile trips on average. Several 1200 mile trips, 600 was a typical “road trip.”Originally Posted by crabman
Exactly. This is not a pessimistic viewpoint; it's just the reality of looking at use cases and what works for me. I've owned ICE cars and used them in the exact same way, had sports cars and trucks all my life that were only used for their strengths, I wasn't casting shade on EVs.To the thread in general I'd like to ask... What is a road trip; the classic 1500-mile drive up or down a coast? Or does charging once a couple of hours away from home count as a road trip? To me the long distance concept is a road trip, if I drove up to my house 2 hours north no one I know would call that a road trip, I wouldn't think of it as a road trip, I'm just driving somewhere that's a few hours away. EVs seem to get a little different consideration: You will hear EV owners making what would just be "driving there" in a gas car into a road trip because they charged away from home once or twice. I'm not trying to be pedantic or argue semantics, it feels like there's a somewhat different definition for what constitutes a road trip, ICE versus EV.
What turns a drive into a road trip?
EVs brought us everywhere we wanted to go. Yeah, it took longer but we have flexible schedules so we enjoyed most of it. I have my complaints too of course.
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Regarding leasing, aside for those smoking hot EQS deals last year, the lease offers I’ve seen were horrible. Most people buy EVs afaik, and we were no different.
I don’t see the charging/range/efficiency tech changing a whole lot either (again looking at A-B trip times). The main improvements we’ve been seeing are infotainment, ride quality, NVH.
I don’t see the charging/range/efficiency tech changing a whole lot either (again looking at A-B trip times). The main improvements we’ve been seeing are infotainment, ride quality, NVH.
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Even if the payment were the same as a finance payment I would still lease. Just having the guaranteed residual.










