All Mercedes Electric by 2030?
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2023 EQE 500 SUV electric and 2024 Jaguar F-PACE SVR 5.0L
Toyota Mirai has been a monumental failure. Hydrogen is not the future for personal vehicles. The pressures and temperatures involved make the dangers of EV fires seem trivial in comparison.
I charged from 30%-90% Monday night 10PM to 8AM Tuesday morning, most of which was at off-peak rates, for about $10. **** the oil and gas racket!
I charged from 30%-90% Monday night 10PM to 8AM Tuesday morning, most of which was at off-peak rates, for about $10. **** the oil and gas racket!
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The new MB EVs have been reported to have HYDROGEN FUEL CELL technology powering the four motors. That is infinitely better as a continuous source of energy then the untenable charging stations and home charging which can take up to 24 hours.
If the filling stations are abundant, and they can be with no major infrastructure changes in cables and new energy plant sources by simply adapting current fuel stops to now offer H, that is the way to go - especially for diesels. The new 2026 MB Sclass is said to have 1000km+ range. A fuel cell EV, if the energy source is readily available, is something I can buy into and ditch my ICE. Personally, LPG is a much cheaper transition until the fuel cell tech and widespread availability is there. It emits 30% less CO2, is clean, abundant, cheap and we have 200+ years of reserves and little or no trillion-dollar infrastructure to create which will likely be old tech sooner than later, apart from the fact that whole climate "emergency" is a scam anyway. I am looking forward to the 2026 Sclass if this is the case.
If the filling stations are abundant, and they can be with no major infrastructure changes in cables and new energy plant sources by simply adapting current fuel stops to now offer H, that is the way to go - especially for diesels. The new 2026 MB Sclass is said to have 1000km+ range. A fuel cell EV, if the energy source is readily available, is something I can buy into and ditch my ICE. Personally, LPG is a much cheaper transition until the fuel cell tech and widespread availability is there. It emits 30% less CO2, is clean, abundant, cheap and we have 200+ years of reserves and little or no trillion-dollar infrastructure to create which will likely be old tech sooner than later, apart from the fact that whole climate "emergency" is a scam anyway. I am looking forward to the 2026 Sclass if this is the case.
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The first generation EVs were billion-dollar failures for years, and some continue to bleed manufactures today. China has 100s of football stadium-sized fields with EV cars they cannot sell. Fuel cells have always been considered too difficult, costly less energy dense. But R&D is making big strides. If it works, that is if, it is an infinitely better way to go. A continues source of energy is needed for a long-term solution. Imagine everyone in high rise 30-story buildings in major cities all trying to charge their cars overnight. It's not possible. It took Rome 25 years to add one subway stop, they are going to wire the city with chargers...not a chance. You have the luxury of easy overnight charging in your own home that many people do not.
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Oh, and I forgot to add that I was using the dryer outlet that came with my house with 24 AMP Splitvolt charger. So you don't even really need to get anything electrial installed to charge comfortably overnight. It's really a no brainer IMVHO, unless you have some sentimental attachment to Exxon and Shell I suppose. Personally I won't miss them though.
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The first generation EVs were billion-dollar failures for years, and some continue to bleed manufactures today. China has 100s of football stadium-sized fields with EV cars they cannot sell. Fuel cells have always been considered too difficult, costly less energy dense. But R&D is making big strides. If it works, that is if, it is an infinitely better way to go. A continues source of energy is needed for a long-term solution. Imagine everyone in high rise 30-story buildings in major cities all trying to charge their cars overnight. It's not possible. It took Rome 25 years to add one subway stop, they are going to wire the city with chargers...not a chance. You have the luxury of easy overnight charging in your own home that many people do not.
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If I didn't have the ability to charge at home, I'd not have gotten an EV. If I didn't also have an ICE vehicle, I'd not have gotten an EV. That said, I absolutely love not having to fill up at a station. That is a luxury. To the point of interior quality, my EQ squeaks and rattles if you so much as sneeze. It's an inexpensive two year lease. Let's see what happens, BMW's offerings are of interest to me.
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You should look at a BMW 7 Series...much better in that department...but I would rather have another S Class and I like the looks of it better...so I'm in a jam...
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This is my main issue with the W223 and what holds me back from upgrading, there are lots of little areas where they have clearly cut costs from the W222...
You should look at a BMW 7 Series...much better in that department...but I would rather have another S Class and I like the looks of it better...so I'm in a jam...
You should look at a BMW 7 Series...much better in that department...but I would rather have another S Class and I like the looks of it better...so I'm in a jam...
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EV's w/chargers have their place here and there when it makes sense (local use and home charging), but the only widespread viable solution is a continuous source of readily available energy that can use the current infrastructure (i.e. gas stations, rest stops) with minimal modification. If this technology truly viable, then this is the path forward to pacify the climate mutants. If this is MB's goal for 2030 when they say "all-electric", it works for me. The only obstacle is the trillions already ear marked for EVs and charging stations which will cause those invested to attack anything that may threaten that money and market share. It will be interesting to watch the scramble.
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Well not anymore, they are backing out from that and will be delaying full electrification.
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Another drawback to EV’s is the weight to emissions ratio. EV’s are 40% heavier or more than the same ice model. That requires more stopping power, and more tire wear.
The combination of the tire dust, and brake pad dust created as particulates and therefore emissions, is 400 times more than ice. Modern ice vehicles have very low emissions.
Then, when you add in the emissions EV’s create at the power plant, the so called savior of the environment, is actually a masked bandit, stealing ecological purity far worse than EV’s.
The combination of the tire dust, and brake pad dust created as particulates and therefore emissions, is 400 times more than ice. Modern ice vehicles have very low emissions.
Then, when you add in the emissions EV’s create at the power plant, the so called savior of the environment, is actually a masked bandit, stealing ecological purity far worse than EV’s.
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Another drawback to EV’s is the weight to emissions ratio. EV’s are 40% heavier or more than the same ice model. That requires more stopping power, and more tire wear.
The combination of the tire dust, and brake pad dust created as particulates and therefore emissions, is 400 times more than ice. Modern ice vehicles have very low emissions.
Then, when you add in the emissions EV’s create at the power plant, the so called savior of the environment, is actually a masked bandit, stealing ecological purity far worse than EV’s.
The combination of the tire dust, and brake pad dust created as particulates and therefore emissions, is 400 times more than ice. Modern ice vehicles have very low emissions.
Then, when you add in the emissions EV’s create at the power plant, the so called savior of the environment, is actually a masked bandit, stealing ecological purity far worse than EV’s.
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Another drawback to EV’s is the weight to emissions ratio. EV’s are 40% heavier or more than the same ice model. That requires more stopping power, and more tire wear.
The combination of the tire dust, and brake pad dust created as particulates and therefore emissions, is 400 times more than ice. Modern ice vehicles have very low emissions.
Then, when you add in the emissions EV’s create at the power plant, the so called savior of the environment, is actually a masked bandit, stealing ecological purity far worse than EV’s.
The combination of the tire dust, and brake pad dust created as particulates and therefore emissions, is 400 times more than ice. Modern ice vehicles have very low emissions.
Then, when you add in the emissions EV’s create at the power plant, the so called savior of the environment, is actually a masked bandit, stealing ecological purity far worse than EV’s.
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I am not sure if this is what you are looking for, but try this…
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If that doesn’t work, I might be able to dig up more.
Consideration has to be given to the fact that when sourcing information deemed to be disinformation, makes it get buried deep.
If the subject is approved of by the legacy media, and other progressive types, it’s at the top of the list, at least until the facts start stacking up against it.
In the case in question, it’s total emissions. Not just brake dust compared to brake dust.
trib.al/Ud6dQ55
If that doesn’t work, I might be able to dig up more.
Consideration has to be given to the fact that when sourcing information deemed to be disinformation, makes it get buried deep.
If the subject is approved of by the legacy media, and other progressive types, it’s at the top of the list, at least until the facts start stacking up against it.
In the case in question, it’s total emissions. Not just brake dust compared to brake dust.
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There is no way in the world the amount of tire dust makes up for the carbon emissions of one ICE car lol
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As a matter of fact, you rarely ever need to change the brake pads on an EV. On some cars you can go up to 150K without the need to ever consider changing them. My BMW 530e, which was mostly driven by my wife in-town and in EV mode 90% of it’s lifetime, had 75K when we sold it. During it’s last service, brake pads had more than 50% lifetime left on them!. No data from EQS owners yet, but those who drove their Tesla up to 100-200K miles would mostly tell you they are yet to require new brake pads.
I agree though that all EVs go through tires like crazy. A tire with an estimated lifetime of 40K miles would probably not last more than 15-20K miles according to what I have seen (btw tire warranty would still get that covered under warranty for you, at least until tire manufacturers start to claim lower mileage warranty if the tire is installed on an EV).
I agree though that all EVs go through tires like crazy. A tire with an estimated lifetime of 40K miles would probably not last more than 15-20K miles according to what I have seen (btw tire warranty would still get that covered under warranty for you, at least until tire manufacturers start to claim lower mileage warranty if the tire is installed on an EV).
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A lot of wear and tear overall is due to driver technique.
That also applies to brake pads, and tires.
Some of it is due to driving conditions.
Regen brakes work great if you are coasting.
But in stop and go traffic, brake assist, and auto brakes take precedence over regen.
It makes it hard to compare apples to apples.
But I must admit 100,000 miles on one set of brake pads is very impressive.
Emissions Analytics, and Nick Molden took measurements of total emissions and concluded that EV emissions can be 1,850 times more than modern car emissions.
That also applies to brake pads, and tires.
Some of it is due to driving conditions.
Regen brakes work great if you are coasting.
But in stop and go traffic, brake assist, and auto brakes take precedence over regen.
It makes it hard to compare apples to apples.
But I must admit 100,000 miles on one set of brake pads is very impressive.
Emissions Analytics, and Nick Molden took measurements of total emissions and concluded that EV emissions can be 1,850 times more than modern car emissions.
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A lot of wear and tear overall is due to driver technique.
That also applies to brake pads, and tires.
Some of it is due to driving conditions.
Regen brakes work great if you are coasting.
But in stop and go traffic, brake assist, and auto brakes take precedence over regen.
It makes it hard to compare apples to apples.
But I must admit 100,000 miles on one set of brake pads is very impressive.
That also applies to brake pads, and tires.
Some of it is due to driving conditions.
Regen brakes work great if you are coasting.
But in stop and go traffic, brake assist, and auto brakes take precedence over regen.
It makes it hard to compare apples to apples.
But I must admit 100,000 miles on one set of brake pads is very impressive.
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As a matter of fact, you rarely ever need to change the brake pads on an EV. On some cars you can go up to 150K without the need to ever consider changing them. My BMW 530e, which was mostly driven by my wife in-town and in EV mode 90% of it’s lifetime, had 75K when we sold it. During it’s last service, brake pads had more than 50% lifetime left on them!. No data from EQS owners yet, but those who drove their Tesla up to 100-200K miles would mostly tell you they are yet to require new brake pads.
I agree though that all EVs go through tires like crazy. A tire with an estimated lifetime of 40K miles would probably not last more than 15-20K miles according to what I have seen (btw warranty would still get that covered under warranty for you, at least until tire manufacturers start to claim lower mileage warranty of the tire is installed on an EV).
I agree though that all EVs go through tires like crazy. A tire with an estimated lifetime of 40K miles would probably not last more than 15-20K miles according to what I have seen (btw warranty would still get that covered under warranty for you, at least until tire manufacturers start to claim lower mileage warranty of the tire is installed on an EV).
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A lot of wear and tear overall is due to driver technique.
That also applies to brake pads, and tires.
Some of it is due to driving conditions.
Regen brakes work great if you are coasting.
But in stop and go traffic, brake assist, and auto brakes take precedence over regen.
It makes it hard to compare apples to apples.
But I must admit 100,000 miles on one set of brake pads is very impressive.
Emissions Analytics, and Nick Molden took measurements of total emissions and concluded that EV emissions can be 1,850 times more than modern car emissions.
That also applies to brake pads, and tires.
Some of it is due to driving conditions.
Regen brakes work great if you are coasting.
But in stop and go traffic, brake assist, and auto brakes take precedence over regen.
It makes it hard to compare apples to apples.
But I must admit 100,000 miles on one set of brake pads is very impressive.
Emissions Analytics, and Nick Molden took measurements of total emissions and concluded that EV emissions can be 1,850 times more than modern car emissions.
In fact, his study was completed only using a VW ICE wearing the cheapest tires on the market, heavily loaded, and driven aggressively on the track. He states that such a vehicle could exist in normal driving: a spirited driver in a normal car like a VW, fully loaded with passengers, wearing cheap tires with terrible tread wear. What his study points to is the fact that tire wear is not accounted for in emission at all (both ICE and BEV) but it should be (and I agree with this opinion).
His research states that the worst case scenario (the VW data point from his study), a car's tires could release 1850x worse particulate pollution than the tail pipe of a normal driving ICE vehicle. His only statement is that heavier cars and aggressive driving style leads to more tire wear and thus particulate pollution and should be accounted for since the pollution it creates can be up to 1850x worse than the pollution created from the tail pipe of a normal ICE vehicle.
Now this is just my opinion: While we all know that BEVs are heavier than the comparative ICE vehicle, we also know that EV owners are typically middle class or higher and are probably not buying the cheapest tires on the rack but instead low rolling resistant tires, so we can probably assume their tire pollution isn't anywhere near 1850x worse than the tail pipe of an ICE. Whereas ICE owners like myself who drive a V8TT and wear summer tires with 30k mile tread life (in best case scenario) on 22" rims is probably one of the worst culprits out there except that I only drive around 5000 miles a year.
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As I understand it these are air quality problems, not greenhouse gas issues. I'd also say that the study sites quantities derived from data with a fair level of uncertainty, and that the error is multiplicative in some cases. Then you have the study design comparing tailpipe particulate on an ICE vehicle, to tire particulate on an EV, which is apples and oranges while also not measuring and considering the tire particulate shed by the ICE vehicles along with the tailpipe emissions.
I've read about tire shed before; it's a real issue and worth considering in an unbiased way. This particular study however has real flaws and is not without what appears to be deliberate design bias.
I've read about tire shed before; it's a real issue and worth considering in an unbiased way. This particular study however has real flaws and is not without what appears to be deliberate design bias.
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Low noise makes passengers sick? Do tell !