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I personally don't think the stars in the taillights is a big deal. The DRLs, well I will need to see them in person. They Maybach logos are designed for China, where brand logos all over everything is a big deal. Thats whats driving things like the DRLs and taillights too.
Remember, this is a $1,300 shrt, and a $600 belt. I would never be caught dead in anything like this but in China you see people running around dressed like this everywhere
I personally don't think the stars in the taillights is a big deal. The DRLs, well I will need to see them in person. They Maybach logos are designed for China, where brand logos all over everything is a big deal. Thats whats driving things like the DRLs and taillights too.
Yeah, this is true. It's so gaudy and ostentatious. I strongly dislike logos on anything.
Part of the appeal of older S-Classes is the understated elegance, they blended in with the rest of the MB lineup.
I want a cosseting and heavily insulated cabin in a vehicle that doesn't scream $$$ everywhere we go.
The 7 has a higher quality interior than the S, but the E Class blows the 5 Series away in that department, So I would not say they are beating MB in quality in every segment.
Yes you are right. I had 3 g60’s and now new E class and 21’ S class so i agree.
Even 7 is better i would buy an S all over again.
Yeah, this is true. It's so gaudy and ostentatious. I strongly dislike logos on anything.
Part of the appeal of older S-Classes is the understated elegance, they blended in with the rest of the MB lineup.
I want a cosseting and heavily insulated cabin in a vehicle that doesn't scream $$$ everywhere we go.
Yup I agree, I think it makes more sense on an A-Class for those who buy it for the badge but on an S-Class, it is way too much.
i am not sure if this applies to facelift models, but prototypes of car redesigns oftentimes are hand built and are not assembled as precisely as those made with robotic assistance.
Perfect, that explains it then. I guess it all makes sense, it is easier to hand build it instead of using up one assembly line, or maybe pausing it, then inserting instructions to the computer for that prototype then have to erase it and resume the normal production line again.
I love the w223 and its comfort but
BMW is killing them with quality in every segment. IN EVERYTHING.
Interior quality especcially, gearbox 6x times better etc.
So i wouldnt wonder if it came without doors from factory.
They both have their pros and cons, but I am biased because I am an MB fan and I mean I do want MB to succeed and come up with something good, not these logo plaster everywhere.
That said, I will give credit when credit is due, the 7 series apparently from the experiences shared by forum members who actually tried and even own one, the comfort and ride quality might be better than the W223, the build quality might have an edge too.
I guess we need to (which we shouldn't at this price point) pick your poison, better ride quality and comfort versus better looks in the outside (at least the W223 looks better than the 7 series, although I admit I am biased).
I want a cosseting and heavily insulated cabin in a vehicle that doesn't scream $$$ everywhere we go.
To be fair the S Class does scream money. There is a big difference in attention in the S Class vs the Lexus LS sedans I had before it. But its not gaudy...the gaudy is what I don't want.
Originally Posted by Marko777
Yes you are right. I had 3 g60’s and now new E class and 21’ S class so i agree.
Even 7 is better i would buy an S all over again.
It was a tough choice. For me Iove the looks of the new 7 now, and I love the interior and the great seats. But, its a polarizing look and I didn't want to drive something that a lot of people around me were going to comment on it being ugly. The S Class also is still a little quieter and a little better riding. I also was not as impressed with the V8 7, the engine in the S580 is smoother and quieter while the V8 in the 7 is Sportier sounding, if that makes sense. So it was i7 vs S580, and ultimately I decided that I wasn't ready to travel in an EV on road trips.m
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
That said, I will give credit when credit is due, the 7 series apparently from the experiences shared by forum members who actually tried and even own one, the comfort and ride quality might be better than the W223, the build quality might have an edge too.
I guess we need to (which we shouldn't at this price point) pick your poison, better ride quality and comfort versus better looks in the outside (at least the W223 looks better than the 7 series, although I admit I am biased).
Build quality and interior materials are better than the S, but the S still rides and drives better and is quieter. I found the S Class to be considerably more buttoned down and solid at speed for example.
To be fair the S Class does scream money. There is a big difference in attention in the S Class vs the Lexus LS sedans I had before it. But its not gaudy...the gaudy is what I don't want.
It was a tough choice. For me Iove the looks of the new 7 now, and I love the interior and the great seats. But, its a polarizing look and I didn't want to drive something that a lot of people around me were going to comment on it being ugly. The S Class also is still a little quieter and a little better riding. I also was not as impressed with the V8 7, the engine in the S580 is smoother and quieter while the V8 in the 7 is Sportier sounding, if that makes sense. So it was i7 vs S580, and ultimately I decided that I wasn't ready to travel in an EV on road trips.m
Build quality and interior materials are better than the S, but the S still rides and drives better and is quieter. I found the S Class to be considerably more buttoned down and solid at speed for example.
Fair enough, I guess I was comparing the EV 7 series to the ICE W223, which wasn't fair to begin with.
Fair enough, I guess I was comparing the EV 7 series to the ICE W223, which wasn't fair to begin with.
Even the EV 7 doesn't ride and drive quite as well. The EV powertrain is amazing but the car is a little floatier and less connected which is kind of a surprise, also not quite as well isolated from outside noise
Even the EV 7 doesn't ride and drive quite as well. The EV powertrain is amazing but the car is a little floatier and less connected which is kind of a surprise, also not quite as well isolated from outside noise
I see, so tire pressures, different tires, different suspension setup differences on the one you tested?
To be fair the S Class does scream money. There is a big difference in attention in the S Class vs the Lexus LS sedans I had before it. But its not gaudy...the gaudy is what I don't want.
It was a tough choice. For me Iove the looks of the new 7 now, and I love the interior and the great seats. But, its a polarizing look and I didn't want to drive something that a lot of people around me were going to comment on it being ugly. The S Class also is still a little quieter and a little better riding. I also was not as impressed with the V8 7, the engine in the S580 is smoother and quieter while the V8 in the 7 is Sportier sounding, if that makes sense. So it was i7 vs S580, and ultimately I decided that I wasn't ready to travel in an EV on road trips.m
Build quality and interior materials are better than the S, but the S still rides and drives better and is quieter. I found the S Class to be considerably more buttoned down and solid at speed for example.
Where we live (in the land of the SUV bragmobile) a silver or white 222 or 223 without the interior screens lit up would fly under most people’s radars. But you’re right.
I found the seats a push; to me, they are both simply excellent, and I'm not sure how I pick between the two, when I found both completely comfortable.
I see, so tire pressures, different tires, different suspension setup differences on the one you tested?
I drove multiple of them back to back repeatedly trying to decide, its not a wheel/tire thing, the 7 is just a little looser chassis all around. Both ride great and if you didn't compare them back to back you'd be perfectly happy with either.
Originally Posted by Quietride
Where we live (in the land of the SUV bragmobile) a silver or white 222 or 223 without the interior screens lit up would fly under most people’s radars. But you’re right.
I live in the DC area, expensive cars are everywhere around here. A big Mercedes sedan always has a presence to it. I agree the car is not garish but I absolutely have had more snide comments about my S Classes than my LSs.
Originally Posted by crabman
I found the seats a push; to me, they are both simply excellent, and I'm not sure how I pick between the two, when I found both completely comfortable.
The 7 seats are considerably better IMO, seats in my W222 were also better than the 223. Not uncomfortable but not as effortlessly comfortable. Took me a lot of fiddling with the 223 seats to get them dialed in right.
I drove multiple of them back to back repeatedly trying to decide, its not a wheel/tire thing, the 7 is just a little looser chassis all around. Both ride great and if you didn't compare them back to back you'd be perfectly happy with either.
I live in the DC area, expensive cars are everywhere around here. A big Mercedes sedan always has a presence to it. I agree the car is not garish but I absolutely have had more snide comments about my S Classes than my LSs.
The 7 seats are considerably better IMO, seats in my W222 were also better than the 223. Not uncomfortable but not as effortlessly comfortable. Took me a lot of fiddling with the 223 seats to get them dialed in right.
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
They both have their pros and cons, but I am biased because I am an MB fan and I mean I do want MB to succeed and come up with something good, not these logo plaster everywhere.
That said, I will give credit when credit is due, the 7 series apparently from the experiences shared by forum members who actually tried and even own one, the comfort and ride quality might be better than the W223, the build quality might have an edge too.
I guess we need to (which we shouldn't at this price point) pick your poison, better ride quality and comfort versus better looks in the outside (at least the W223 looks better than the 7 series, although I admit I am biased).
well.. since im a bmw fan and i bought S over 7, that says a lot about looks. 7 looks more powerfull but id just couldnt look at it in the morning when i wake up in a bad mood. Chinese plasticky looks to me. S on the other hand looks like presidents car.
Yes, neither is perfect, like AC on 7, i would lose my temper over that in upcoming summer probably.
Anyway, S needs more quality in the interior and better gearbox but i like the car overall. It eats highway speeds, very very quiet and thats what buys me🙋🏻♂️
They both have their pros and cons, but I am biased because I am an MB fan and I mean I do want MB to succeed and come up with something good, not these logo plaster everywhere.
That said, I will give credit when credit is due, the 7 series apparently from the experiences shared by forum members who actually tried and even own one, the comfort and ride quality might be better than the W223, the build quality might have an edge too.
I guess we need to (which we shouldn't at this price point) pick your poison, better ride quality and comfort versus better looks in the outside (at least the W223 looks better than the 7 series, although I admit I am biased).
Most people (though not all) would likely agree that nothing drives better than a proper BMW. However, the reason I considered the S-Class during the W222 generation (and previously the W220) was the superior build quality compared to the 7 Series or any BMW, for that matter. Although W220 wasn't the best S, but better than the 7 at that time in my view. Right now, it feels like both brands have made similarly disappointing and poor choices regarding materials and (maybe) build quality, but surely the materials suck especially in the S. That said, I think I’d be equally happy with either vehicle; perhaps not as thrilled as I was with my two W222s, but would certainly enjoy both the 7 or W223. I’d probably be much happier with the i7 if am blind and/or if aesthetics weren’t a factor, but since that's not the case, the W223 remains a strong candidate for a luxury sedan in this price range. Frankly, I could have easily opted for an i7 instead of my B8 but I knew the design wasn’t something I’d ever truly get along with; it still hasn’t grown on me. The driving experience even during short test drives is absolutely outstanding, but man that exterior isn't for me. W223 is a more balanced vehicle that leaves nothing to complain about but also offers nothing special (it's kind of okay in all areas; when the i7 fails in some areas but gets A+ in others). My 2 cents....
I wouldn’t say the materials “suck” in the W223 at all. 95% of the materials are great, but they made some decisions with that last 5% that really are strange decisions and bring the whole interior down. To me the big ones are the console and the sharp plastic edge all the way around the screen, and the hard plastic door sills. Otherwise the car has beautiful leather on every surface, great wood trim, nice thick alcantara headliner and great carpeting. The only area on the new 7 I think feels cheap is the piano black door window switch area.
I will say overall I like the W223 better than the 222. The ride and drive is considerably better. I still think the 222 was better looking overall and the interior overall was better, but the 223 rides and drives better and it’s quieter and overall it feels much more youthful with the tech forward interior. Plus when you add the dramatically better audio system
I wouldn’t say the materials “suck” in the W223 at all. 95% of the materials are great, but they made some decisions with that last 5% that really are strange decisions and bring the whole interior down. To me the big ones are the console and the sharp plastic edge all the way around the screen, and the hard plastic door sills. Otherwise the car has beautiful leather on every surface, great wood trim, nice thick alcantara headliner and great carpeting. The only area on the new 7 I think feels cheap is the piano black door window switch area.
I will say overall I like the W223 better than the 222. The ride and drive is considerably better. I still think the 222 was better looking overall and the interior overall was better, but the 223 rides and drives better and it’s quieter and overall it feels much more youthful with the tech forward interior. Plus when you add the dramatically better audio system
I agree, definitely.... I didn't mean that it literally sucks... It was just an "exaggeration" on my end for the sake of making a point that they've made some strange decisions. The plastic edges and plastic trims around the seats and near lower part of door for the b-pillars, those should have no place in cars like these. It costs only a few additional bucks to take care of them. At least cover them with Alcantara just like what Tesla does in the S and Y - I would have appreciated that more than plastics. I'd definitely take the W223 over the W222 - no doubt about that; I just meant that the excitement and motivation is probably not at the same level, otherwise I would have been in one of these already by now especially for someone like me who lacks discipline in terms of keeping his cars long enough. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if I end up in a W223 facelift one day.. that's why am still around here anyway not only cause of my GLS. I have no idea if that will ever happen though; am trying to settle for a few years...
I plan on having those plastics wrapped in Alcantara, whenever I get around to it
Just out of curiosity, do you believe the MANAFAKTUR interior package does an adequate job of eliminating enough of the plastic/upgrading the interior?
I drove multiple of them back to back repeatedly trying to decide, its not a wheel/tire thing, the 7 is just a little looser chassis all around. Both ride great and if you didn't compare them back to back you'd be perfectly happy with either.
I live in the DC area, expensive cars are everywhere around here. A big Mercedes sedan always has a presence to it. I agree the car is not garish but I absolutely have had more snide comments about my S Classes than my LSs.
The 7 seats are considerably better IMO, seats in my W222 were also better than the 223. Not uncomfortable but not as effortlessly comfortable. Took me a lot of fiddling with the 223 seats to get them dialed in right.
Thank you, that is good then good to hear you can't go wrong with either. That is the important part when it comes to spending flagship money. Thanks for confirming.
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