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So is the arrival date late 2026 or 2027 guys? We’re about to get a 2 year lease to wait out this model’s arrival. I’m at the dealer right now about to secure a car via dealer trade.
I have no idea why there is a delay. The design—with their stupid, horrendous and atrocious star lights—seem set in stone. Maybe the delay is to fix their absolute trash can transmission. Or maybe it is to fix overall NVH? Or maybe it is to undo their dip$&!@ move to split off their EQS.
I really hope the delay is due to them getting rid of those ugly, gaudy, look-at-me lights. And, a new ZF transmission! Hallelujah if that happens. I hate the clunking can’t-shift-straight transmission.
Not going to happen. MB sees their transmissions as a competitive differentiator and they are generally highly regarded aka not seen as a weakness or issue for the brand.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by ColeBlooded
My S580 down shifted terribly but only on occasion. My GT53 transmission was perfect.
Near where I live, there is a street that goes from up on a not very steep hill, down towards the main highway. There is a portion of it where there are numerous stop signs. Stop—lightly accelerate—then brake for the next stop sign. I think there are four stop signs. My S580 could not handle this with any grace whatsoever. It clunked and jerked and made one wish for the old PowerGlide I had in my 1954 Corvette.
I believe that MB definitely has a transmission issue. Some experience it and some don’t, but EVERY MB transmission should operate flawlessly, it shouldn’t be hit or miss. The sooner they correct this, the better.
Same; mostly good, but it didn't handle Seattle hills well. I figured out how to drive with minimal clunk, but there was no getting around some clunkiness. It was worse when the car was new, but when they updated the software to enable the hot-spot (model wide issue), the transmission began shifting better. It was one of the bullet points on that software update.
I'm really ready to try EV, I think I'm more interested in the electric version than the ICE, at this point. They just gotta hit one primary metric: 300 miles in any weather encountered in the Pacific Northwest. Lucid can do it now, so it's not pie in the sky.
I think it also depends on the driving habits in a sense... yes.. I know... For example I driven a few bmw (330i, 340i) with the ZF and although not as bad as MB's (from experience) there are some very jerky moments when downshifting and upshifting...
Okay, I think I just admitted I don't know how to drive (at least I think I don't know how to drive if both mb and zf is jerky for me)
That said, driven a macan and the transmission despite being a dual clutch was buttery smooth for me... so there is that.. I honestly don't know what type of driver I am and apparently both MB and bmw is unable to learn about my driving behaviours to make shifts smooth.
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2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by crabman
Same; mostly good, but it didn't handle Seattle hills well. I figured out how to drive with minimal clunk, but there was no getting around some clunkiness. It was worse when the car was new, but when they updated the software to enable the hot-spot (model wide issue), the transmission began shifting better. It was one of the bullet points on that software update.
I'm really ready to try EV, I think I'm more interested in the electric version than the ICE, at this point. They just gotta hit one primary metric: 300 miles in any weather encountered in the Pacific Northwest. Lucid can do it now, so it's not pie in the sky.
Over on Bimmerpost, I7 drivers are reporting over 300 miles of range. Looking at my BMW APP right now, it shows I am charged to 68% saying it is good for 213 miles. Mostly, I would love to get your take on the car, so go drive one!
I just read your thread on Bimmerpost on range too Stream, don’t oversell the range lol. Lots of people reporting 200 miles of range in your thread too. Range is still a huge issue if you’re going to be traveling in an EV. I drive 80…not gonna stop doing that I’m not getting 300 miles of range in an i7 on a trip. I’m going to need to stop every 160 miles or so to charge for 30 min, just is what it is. I don’t think that’s necessarily a dealbreaker as long as there are plenty of options to charge.
I was just in Charleston for a business trip and one of my guys drove his Cybertruck from DC, he had to charge 4 times in 550 miles. He said after the second stop he wished he had made different choices lol. ABRP shows in an i7 60 3 stops for me totaling an hour off the road on that trip and 15% when I get there, so I would beed a charge there to have power to get around. Could have driven my S580 the whole way and never stopped…
Over on Bimmerpost, I7 drivers are reporting over 300 miles of range. Looking at my BMW APP right now, it shows I am charged to 68% saying it is good for 213 miles. Mostly, I would love to get your take on the car, so go drive one!
It's not easy to directly compare numbers because climate is a large factor. Based on real world numbers that I can find on the forums, only Tesla and Lucid can hit that mark. No insult to Tesla people, but I haven't liked that car from the first test drive, which was not long after the Model S came out. The Lucid Air on the other hand, I was really close to a yes on that one.
I like the 7 series. The shnozz, I can get over. I can't charge at the Seattle apartment. The 7 needs to go 200 freeway miles to get from the Whidbey house to Seattle, and back, and have 100ish or so while I'm down there. Right now, the short list is truly short. I would have jumped in the 60, pretty much same as what you ordered, if it had the legs. I've given it a look 3 times now; as best as I can tell it's the current win if the range works. On the other hand, the lucid has the range, but it's that undefinable tick short of a buy.
As you've probably noticed, I'm willing to take a hit and jump, but that jump has to get through the hoops. I chafe at the time it takes to stop for gas. I love the idea of plugging in when I get home, but I'm absolutely not charging on the road.
I just read your thread on Bimmerpost on range too Stream, don’t oversell the range lol. Lots of people reporting 200 miles of range in your thread too. Range is still a huge issue if you’re going to be traveling in an EV. I drive 80…not gonna stop doing that I’m not getting 300 miles of range in an i7 on a trip. I’m going to need to stop every 160 miles or so to charge for 30 min, just is what it is. I don’t think that’s necessarily a dealbreaker as long as there are plenty of options to charge.
I was just in Charleston for a business trip and one of my guys drove his Cybertruck from DC, he had to charge 4 times in 550 miles. He said after the second stop he wished he had made different choices lol. ABRP shows in an i7 60 3 stops for me totaling an hour off the road on that trip and 15% when I get there, so I would beed a charge there to have power to get around. Could have driven my S580 the whole way and never stopped…
It's a function of the weather. An EV in southern California is going to have a lot better range than one in the northeast.
It's not easy to directly compare numbers because climate is a large factor. Based on real world numbers that I can find on the forums, only Tesla and Lucid can hit that mark. No insult to Tesla people, but I haven't liked that car from the first test drive, which was not long after the Model S came out. The Lucid Air on the other hand, I was really close to a yes on that one.
I like the 7 series. The shnozz, I can get over. I can't charge at the Seattle apartment. The 7 needs to go 200 freeway miles to get from the Whidbey house to Seattle, and back, and have 100ish or so while I'm down there. Right now, the short list is truly short. I would have jumped in the 60, pretty much same as what you ordered, if it had the legs. I've given it a look 3 times now; as best as I can tell it's the current win if the range works. On the other hand, the lucid has the range, but it's that undefinable tick short of a buy.
As you've probably noticed, I'm willing to take a hit and jump, but that jump has to get through the hoops. I chafe at the time it takes to stop for gas. I love the idea of plugging in when I get home, but I'm absolutely not charging on the road.
We drove an IX50 for a while and it was doing great in the city. Real life highway range with some normal passing and speed that that doesn’t make you the turd on the right lane meant less than 200 miles range. I expect the i7 to be the same at best.
On the Lucids just make sure to get a 2025 model for the quiet front motor and heat pump for better range in colder weather. No issues on range as you mentioned.
Climate is a factor, how you drive is also a huge factor. Its just not so simple as to say "you can get 300 miles of range"...someone can...will it be you? It wouldn't be me.
I didn't think driving style even needed to be mentioned. I typically get well below the forum average for any car. It's not that I beat on my cars; I just dont pay attention to mileage.
Around here, flow of traffic on the freeway is going to be 80ish, outside of rush hour(s) slowdowns. Like any other city, you've got to keep it moving, or face potential gunfire from irate traffic. Joking of course, but I do try and avoid angering other motorist.
No way I'm going to approach the mileage some are reporting. The other option is to have two cars. Mrs Crab likes the doors on the i7, she's also a fan of the general cush factor. I've got time, another year or so before I can get out of the current ride without undue pain. I really want to see what the refresh brings; I liked the 580, it just needs a little love.
I have a feeling it will be unveiled this year, the lights look nearly production-ready. Also worth mentioning that it will likely be the third car to receive the Design Language 4.0 (Sensual Purity 4.0) that debuted on the W214.
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i am not sure if this applies to facelift models, but prototypes of car redesigns oftentimes are hand built and are not assembled as precisely as those made with robotic assistance.
The grille has the overall shape of the D4 Audi A8. Previous generation, beaver-tooth design.
If its going to look anywhere near this, il buy you one or send you money… im serious.
Its going to look the same with different headlights and a little bit different bumper on the front.
These stars in stop lights… looks just like my E class 24’. Designer should get sho’t in the knees.
Ya it could be the angle or just that it is a prototype they don't focus on those.
I love the w223 and its comfort but
BMW is killing them with quality in every segment. IN EVERYTHING.
Interior quality especcially, gearbox 6x times better etc.
So i wouldnt wonder if it came without doors from factory.
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I love the w223 and its comfort but
BMW is killing them with quality in every segment. IN EVERYTHING.
Interior quality especcially, gearbox 6x times better etc.
So i wouldnt wonder if it came without doors from factory.
The 7 has a higher quality interior than the S, but the E Class blows the 5 Series away in that department, So I would not say they are beating MB in quality in every segment.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
The lights with the “stars” are just pathetic. Ridiculous over use of logos is for much lesser brands. Can you imagine Ferrari putting their horse in their lights or Lamborghini their bull? Audi could go nuts with their rings, not to mention BMW with their “propellers.” But so far, at the European luxury end of the spectrum, it only appears that MB has lost their minds and is in great danger of joining Toyota/Lexus with tasteless designs that are worn out before they ever debut. A disease is running rampant at Mercedes-Benz and it needs to be eradicated. If this continues, they will be flushing decades of tasteful lineage down the proverbial toilet.
These are idiotic designs that should be left to the wacko tuners like Brabus, but these photos show actual, production models produced in the MB factory. What idiot greenlighted these monstrosities? Oh well. I’d be ashamed. I AM ashamed!
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