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So are we going to get three stars in the taillights or same two like the E-Class
Add me in the list of not liking the star headlight taillights but I guess it will grow on me.
Problem is, the current head lights and tail lights are so beautiful. I love mine. I don't think the new ones will grow on me -- I'll just eventually be forced to tolerate them.
What I feel many did not seem to realize is that the W214 was actually the start of a new design language, Sensual Purity 4.0. With the CLS (traditionally the inaugurator of each prior version of Sensual Purity) having gone to the great showroom in the sky, Mercedes-Benz needed a new car to fill its shoes as the design leader. They decided on using the E-Klasse, which had done so previously as the W210. Effectively, all future Mercedes-Benz ICE models for the next six years or so will receive styling updates that seek to follow directly in the W214’s footsteps of styling. Interestingly, the W214, like the W210, is a heavy update of the previous E-Klasse.
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When MB killed off the non-AMG Line body or “Luxury” version of the E Class, as it was known in the U.S., they effectively killed off any reason for my wife & I to NOT consider another brand. Add to that how they butchered their glorious E Class Wagon into the “All Terrain,” and after decades of loyal following of the 3-Pointed Star, our dollars will most likely be headed to Munich and not Stuttgart—that is, if I can ever talk her into letting it go.
Problem is, the current head lights and tail lights are so beautiful. I love mine. I don't think the new ones will grow on me -- I'll just eventually be forced to tolerate them.
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Originally Posted by crabman
Whoever is responsible for the logomania at MB, should be shot. Then hung. And then shot again. Torture is optional, I'm not a vindictive man…….
They had a nice, appropriately diminutive logo. It sat, perfectly perched atop the brow, proud and upright, symbolizing excellence. It was a star that folks everywhere wished upon and for, very bold yet elegantly understated emblem that heralded the approach of something very special. Somehow, having lost its perch and ballooned to the size of a dinner plate, with offspring everywhere you look, it just doesn’t seem as jewel like and special as it once was. Pity.
For what it’s worth, this is exactly the mistake Gorden Waegner admitted had occurred during 2023 with the CLA EV concept:
“We must only watch that we are not using it too much, that we are careful with it. Actually, on that latest show car, there has been a bit too much, to be quite frank. And I don't know how it happened. It was a mistake.”
I admit, I believe the CLA concept went way overboard with the stars, but I do have to admit I have some more respect for attempts to create new and interesting styling ideas, even if it fails somewhat. I know all of us want something modern but still obviously “classical” (whatever that means at this point. Sensual Purity 1.0? 2.0? The Early Sacco era The later one?) Mercedes-Benz (as do I), but I do feel like simply staying course without any sort of change would have been the worse option. Audi and BMW are clearly changing as well with the G70 7er and the Q6 e-tron (for better or worse is another debate) so Mercedes-Benz must also change stylistically if it hopes to be at or above their level.
They had a nice, appropriately diminutive logo. It sat, perfectly perched atop the brow, proud and upright, symbolizing excellence. It was a star that folks everywhere wished upon and for, very bold yet elegantly understated emblem that heralded the approach of something very special. Somehow, having lost its perch and ballooned to the size of a dinner plate, with offspring everywhere you look, it just doesn’t seem as jewel like and special as it once was. Pity.
Originally Posted by Times Two
For what it’s worth, this is exactly the mistake Gorden Waegner admitted had occurred during 2023 with the CLA EV concept:
“We must only watch that we are not using it too much, that we are careful with it. Actually, on that latest show car, there has been a bit too much, to be quite frank. And I don't know how it happened. It was a mistake.”
I admit, I believe the CLA concept went way overboard with the stars, but I do have to admit I have some more respect for attempts to create new and interesting styling ideas, even if it fails somewhat. I know all of us want something modern but still obviously “classical” (whatever that means at this point. Sensual Purity 1.0? 2.0? The Early Sacco era The later one?) Mercedes-Benz (as do I), but I do feel like simply staying course without any sort of change would have been the worse option. Audi and BMW are clearly changing as well with the G70 7er and the Q6 e-tron (for better or worse is another debate) so Mercedes-Benz must also change stylistically if it hopes to be at or above their level.
Agree, MB should had stuck with understated luxury, I still look forward to this facelift, as I am interested in the material improvements first shown on the W214. Maybe it isn't all that bad in real life (the headlight and taillights)
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Originally Posted by Times Two
For what it’s worth, this is exactly the mistake Gorden Waegner admitted had occurred during 2023 with the CLA EV concept:
“We must only watch that we are not using it too much, that we are careful with it. Actually, on that latest show car, there has been a bit too much, to be quite frank. And I don't know how it happened. It was a mistake.”
I admit, I believe the CLA concept went way overboard with the stars, but I do have to admit I have some more respect for attempts to create new and interesting styling ideas, even if it fails somewhat. I know all of us want something modern but still obviously “classical” (whatever that means at this point. Sensual Purity 1.0? 2.0? The Early Sacco era The later one?) Mercedes-Benz (as do I), but I do feel like simply staying course without any sort of change would have been the worse option. Audi and BMW are clearly changing as well with the G70 7er and the Q6 e-tron (for better or worse is another debate) so Mercedes-Benz must also change stylistically if it hopes to be at or above their level.
Well, I appreciate “attempts for new and interesting styling ideas,” but there needs to be some oversight before the designs are released for public view. The CLA EV Concept—as it was shown to the world—should have never seen the light of day. If someone was crazy enough to actually create that mess, it should have been axed by someone in a management position, long before it ever made it out of the design think tank where it was first dreamt up.
To me, this has been a major problem with newly released, post 2020 MB models: I feel that they were not tested as thoroughly as in previous years and were allowed to enter the market before being fully sorted & refined. With the W223, the 2021, 2022 & 2023 models seemed to have issues that festered and remained unresolved from one year to the next. The jury is still out on the 2024’s, but they appear to be better. Look over on the R232 SL forum and it is a similar mess. Two, very high end models that have put so many customers through the ringer—and it’s STILL going on.
They need to take a step back and regroup, in my opinion.
Well, I appreciate “attempts for new and interesting styling ideas,” but there needs to be some oversight before the designs are released for public view. The CLA EV Concept—as it was shown to the world—should have never seen the light of day. If someone was crazy enough to actually create that mess, it should have been axed by someone in a management position, long before it ever made it out of the design think tank where it was first dreamt up.
To me, this has been a major problem with newly released, post 2020 MB models: I feel that they were not tested as thoroughly as in previous years and were allowed to enter the market before being fully sorted & refined. With the W223, the 2021, 2022 & 2023 models seemed to have issues that festered and remained unresolved from one year to the next. The jury is still out on the 2024’s, but they appear to be better. Look over on the R232 SL forum and it is a similar mess. Two, very high end models that have put so many customers through the ringer—and it’s STILL going on.
They need to take a step back and regroup, in my opinion.
Um, looks like they didn't get the memo because if this vehicle demonstrated here is really the production CLA, the design is indeed like the CLA concept : https://www.designboom.com/technolog...ig-10-16-2024/
Especially the taillights in the rear.
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Reason: typos and clarification
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
Um, looks like they didn't get the memo because if this really the production CLA, then it is very alike to the CLA concept : https://www.designboom.com/technolog...ig-10-16-2024/
Especially the taillights in the rear.
They have time & resources for shenanigans like this, but not enough to fix their transmissions & other ongoing issues. Go figure.
They have time & resources for shenanigans like this, but not enough to fix their transmissions & other ongoing issues. Go figure.
Apparently the fix is standstill adaptation or very least it mitigates the issue, if this was performed on every vehicle as part of PDI, the experiences will be better,
What I feel many did not seem to realize is that the W214 was actually the start of a new design language, Sensual Purity 4.0. With the CLS (traditionally the inaugurator of each prior version of Sensual Purity) having gone to the great showroom in the sky, Mercedes-Benz needed a new car to fill its shoes as the design leader. They decided on using the E-Klasse, which had done so previously as the W210. Effectively, all future Mercedes-Benz ICE models for the next six years or so will receive styling updates that seek to follow directly in the W214’s footsteps of styling. Interestingly, the W214, like the W210, is a heavy update of the previous E-Klasse.
It is surprising to me that the W210 was a heavy update to the W124. To me they seemed like two completely different cars. IMHO the W124 being the better of the two.
It is surprising to me that the W210 was a heavy update to the W124. To me they seemed like two completely different cars. IMHO the W124 being the better of the two.
I do agree on preferring the W124 much more to the W210, but it was clear that the W210 was going to be based on the previous car when the W201 (which provided the platform for the W124 and R129) was succeeded by the W202 which was based on the same platform and largely an upgraded version of its W201 predecessor. While the W202 was an unsurprising attempt to create more of a separation between the models, the W210 was part of the McKinsey and Co. advice that also brought about similarly troubled cars like the W220 (a completely new car) and the W203 (another completely new car). The W210’s successor, the W211, was also a completely new car, but unlike the others, was the first of the DaimlerChrysler cars and actually benefitted greatly in reliability and overall quality improvements.
They had a nice, appropriately diminutive logo. It sat, perfectly perched atop the brow, proud and upright, symbolizing excellence. It was a star that folks everywhere wished upon and for, very bold yet elegantly understated emblem that heralded the approach of something very special. Somehow, having lost its perch and ballooned to the size of a dinner plate, with offspring everywhere you look, it just doesn’t seem as jewel like and special as it once was. Pity.
BTW the large dinner plate sized emblem in the sport grille dates back to 1955. In case you dont want to count, that was 70 model years ago. Big logos at MB are not new.
No, not new, but they were originally done by OEMs so people could recognize their brand out on the track, and root for the right car among a field of similar looking vehicles. In other words, a name tag, more than an aesthetic choice. Take away the need to identify your brand to spectators, who might be a quarter of a mile away, out of the equation, and you're left with what?
Class, elegance, and stupidly oversized logos, which one of those things, does not belong with the other two?
No, not new, but they were originally done by OEMs so people could recognize their brand out on the track, and root for the right car among a field of similar looking vehicles. In other words, a name tag, more than an aesthetic choice. Take away the need to identify your brand to spectators, who might be a quarter of a mile away, out of the equation, and you're left with what?
Class, elegance, and stupidly oversized logos, which one of those things, does not belong with the other two?
My point is Mercedes has always done this with their logos. If you don't like that, a Mercedes in general probably isn't for you. Certain models like the S Class where its been more restrained and certainly they are using the sport grille way more than they used to, but its existed since 1955.
Another example, old MB hubcaps, the MB logo is basically the whole hubcap:
Haven’t read through the thread in case my info is already posted here but the facelift is now officially confirmed (Harald Wilhelm (CFO, Mercedes-Benz) to be only in 2026, not 2025. So likely as a 27 model.
The facelift model is supposed to go from 2026-2030.
Haven’t read through the thread in case my info is already posted here but the facelift is now officially confirmed (Harald Wilhelm (CFO, Mercedes-Benz) to be only in 2026, not 2025. So likely as a 27 model.
The facelift model is supposed to go from 2026-2030.
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
Haven’t read through the thread in case my info is already posted here but the facelift is now officially confirmed (Harald Wilhelm (CFO, Mercedes-Benz) to be only in 2026, not 2025. So likely as a 27 model.
The facelift model is supposed to go from 2026-2030.
Let us all hope that this extended wait for the facelift is due to MB taking the time to REALLY assess ALL issues & shortcomings that many of us feel have plagued the W223 since its launch. Unfortunately though, I can’t imagine the facelift including an all electric model, so those of us who have been completely won over by electric propulsion will still have to wait for a REAL S Class EV sedan.
Haven’t read through the thread in case my info is already posted here but the facelift is now officially confirmed (Harald Wilhelm (CFO, Mercedes-Benz) to be only in 2026, not 2025. So likely as a 27 model.
The facelift model is supposed to go from 2026-2030.
that can't be right. there's a tonne of these face-lifted cars rolling around europe - gotta be a '26 facelift release. they wouldn't wait until '27 to release if you see them now.
Let us all hope that this extended wait for the facelift is due to MB taking the time to REALLY assess ALL issues & shortcomings that many of us feel have plagued the W223 since its launch. Unfortunately though, I can’t imagine the facelift including an all electric model, so those of us who have been completely won over by electric propulsion will still have to wait for a REAL S Class EV sedan.
The electric S-Class is scheduled for 2028, based on the MB.EA-L platform.
that can't be right. there's a tonne of these face-lifted cars rolling around europe - gotta be a '26 facelift release. they wouldn't wait until '27 to release if you see them now.
Since this came from the CFO I can only assume that this is based on a financial decision.
Haven’t read through the thread in case my info is already posted here but the facelift is now officially confirmed (Harald Wilhelm (CFO, Mercedes-Benz) to be only in 2026, not 2025. So likely as a 27 model.
The facelift model is supposed to go from 2026-2030.
I really hope the delay is due to them getting rid of those ugly, gaudy, look-at-me lights. And, a new ZF transmission! Hallelujah if that happens. I hate the clunking can’t-shift-straight transmission.
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