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Not sure how you are getting the same prices when the i7 has triple the trunk money before discounts, a lower MF (.00150 vs .00170) and a higher residual (54% vs 50% on 36/10).
The numbers have improved a little bit on the i7.
S580 is $5,000 in dealer cash or $5,500 in fleet incentive that can't be combined. They also have $5,000 in loyalty which can be combined if you qualify. .00170 MF
i7 has 54% residual and $9,900 in lease credit. They also have $5,000 in loyalty I don't qualify for. So the S580 has $600 more in trunk money for me. BMW is .00150. 10% off is the best deal on an i7 in addition to those numbers, I have a deal on the table for an S580 that is 11.5% off plus the trunk money.
$137,500 i7 comes out to $1,550 per month 36/10 with first month due at signing.
$138,910 S580 comes out to $1,685.49 with first month at signing.
So with the new numbers the i7 does a little better, but still not a huge amount. If I could get the BMW loyalty it would be considerably better but I can't.
Just for grins I did a 760, identical MSRP ther payment is $1,858, so $180 more than the S Class, thats 10% off and $7k in rebates, first month 36/10. Very unusual that the S Class would be cheaper to lease.
No offense, but I just can't get past the 7's giant Chinese market catered grille only a mother could love lol, the same goes for the M3/4's giant oddly shaped grille - yuck. With respect to the EQS, well it too is certainly not very good looking imho. No wonder they're selling like hot cakes, not, lol...
No offense, but I just can't get past the 7's giant Chinese market catered grille only a mother could love lol, the same goes for the M3/4's giant oddly shaped grille - yuck. With respect to the EQS, well it too is certainly not very good looking imho. No wonder they're selling like hot cakes, not, lol...
That was the whole point of what I posted...its having success in the US they haven't seen with the 7 in generations...so its hard to say the front end is "Chinese catered"...the car is a big success right here in the US.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Originally Posted by RJC
No offense, but I just can't get past the 7's giant Chinese market catered grille only a mother could love lol, the same goes for the M3/4's giant oddly shaped grille - yuck. With respect to the EQS, well it too is certainly not very good looking imho. No wonder they're selling like hot cakes, not, lol...
The new 7 certainly isn’t for everyone. It is very untraditional. For me, after the S580 fiasco, I promised myself that I would get my next car based on ride quality and comfort. Short of a new Rolls, I believe that the I7, as I have ordered mine, will be the very best car to deliver on those qualities. We shall see!
The new 7 certainly isn’t for everyone. It is very untraditional. For me, after the S580 fiasco, I promised myself that I would get my next car based on ride quality and comfort. Short of a new Rolls, I believe that the I7, as I have ordered mine, will be the very best car to deliver on those qualities. We shall see!
I completely understand as you’ve been through hell, but thankfully mb came through in the end with a buyout.
I recently ordered a new amg coupe for my wife and am keeping my fingers crossed it’s not going to be a fiasco. I also need a replacement vehicle and came very close to a new M8, but when the transmission needed replacement on my late 19 M850 with only 6000 gentle miles I hesitated. Almost got the new SL but the horror stories scared me as well. Since I don’t lease anymore I am uber careful. Came close to getting a Lexus lc 500 convertible until I saw the ill fitted convertible top issue affecting them all and Lexus’ authorized hack fix. It seems the days of high quality craftsmanship/pride and customer service and appreciation have gone the way of the dodo- so sad. I hope you love the new 7 and it brings you many miles of pure driving bliss
That was the whole point of what I posted...its having success in the US they haven't seen with the 7 in generations...so its hard to say the front end is "Chinese catered"...the car is a big success right here in the US.
It was well known at the time the large buck-toothed type grille was designed with the Chinese market in mind.
Actually they said "designed for the Chinese and American buyer" and they seem to be right.
Well, the S-Class has outsold the 7 Series in 2023 when the G70 Series was already available. In 2024 BMW is ahead by about 200 units. There is no i7 Series breakout so I would keep it easy on the statements.
Also, I will start closing down the excessive 7 Series discussions or musings on configurations/colors/options/leases, etc. as this is a W223 forum and those discussions can be had on Bimmerpost.
I don’t know why they are even trying to design to any market. Back in the 90s and even early 2000s, car designs weren’t about tailoring to a market and more about nuances to a brand identity, that played to general aesthetics and engineering. Buyers purchased cars based on those identities.
Now, there’s probably 100s of marketing and social media employees forcing their way into car designs, to their great detriment. As a result, the cars have become ugly Frankensteins trying to chase a dumb fad, like split headlights or obnoxiously large large grilles.
Porsche, at least with their 911s, is a perfect example of manufacturer saying FU to these dumb trends and that hasn’t lessened its desirability one bit. If Mercedes were smart, they should do the same thing instead of being just another fad follower.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Originally Posted by Frenetic
I don’t know why they are even trying to design to any market. Back in the 90s and even early 2000s, car designs weren’t about tailoring to a market and more about nuances to a brand identity, that played to general aesthetics and engineering. Buyers purchased cars based on those identities.
Now, there’s probably 100s of marketing and social media employees forcing their way into car designs, to their great detriment. As a result, the cars have become ugly Frankensteins trying to chase a dumb fad, like split headlights or obnoxiously large large grilles.
Porsche, at least with their 911s, is a perfect example of manufacturer saying FU to these dumb trends and that hasn’t lessened its desirability one bit. If Mercedes were smart, they should do the same thing instead of being just another fad follower.
Well, the S-Class has outsold the 7 Series in 2023 when the G70 Series was already available. In 2024 BMW is ahead by about 200 units. There is no i7 Series breakout so I would keep it easy on the statements.
Also, I will start closing down the excessive 7 Series discussions or musings on configurations/colors/options/leases, etc. as this is a W223 forum and those discussions can be had on Bimmerpost.
If you look at the performance of the 7 relative to the S Class though historically thats the point, the 7 is doing much better compared to the S Class than it really ever has before despite having relative parity in lease cost...so clearly this car is landing with consumers more than the online hatred would suggest. Its gone from the S outselling it 2-3:1 to the 7 slightly outselling it. Thats a huge development.
This discussion is about the S Class, the 7 is its primary competitor, but we are discussing it as pertains to the S Class. The discussion about leases etc was extended by you with your incorrect assertion that the 7 was much cheaper to lease.
The S Class is feeling competition it hasn't felt in a long time, which is driving why they are trying to interject some more personality into this refresh.
Originally Posted by Frenetic
I don’t know why they are even trying to design to any market. Back in the 90s and even early 2000s, car designs weren’t about tailoring to a market and more about nuances to a brand identity, that played to general aesthetics and engineering. Buyers purchased cars based on those identities.
Now, there’s probably 100s of marketing and social media employees forcing their way into car designs, to their great detriment. As a result, the cars have become ugly Frankensteins trying to chase a dumb fad, like split headlights or obnoxiously large large grilles.
Porsche, at least with their 911s, is a perfect example of manufacturer saying FU to these dumb trends and that hasn’t lessened its desirability one bit. If Mercedes were smart, they should do the same thing instead of being just another fad follower.
You feel this way because you are American and cars have always been designed for us lol
Why do you think these BMWs etc have gotten so much bigger and bloated and ride biased vs handling biased? Because thats what we want.
If you look at the performance of the 7 relative to the S Class though historically thats the point, the 7 is doing much better compared to the S Class than it really ever has before despite having relative parity in lease cost...so clearly this car is landing with consumers more than the online hatred would suggest. Its gone from the S outselling it 2-3:1 to the 7 slightly outselling it. Thats a huge development.
This discussion is about the S Class, the 7 is its primary competitor, but we are discussing it as pertains to the S Class. The discussion about leases etc was extended by you with your incorrect assertion that the 7 was much cheaper to lease.
The S Class is feeling competition it hasn't felt in a long time, which is driving why they are trying to interject some more personality into this refresh.
I wouldn't call this a huge development at all. I saw a 40% number floating around for the i7 percentage. It is unclear if that once a particular spike but I am heard similar from the dealer. If I deduct that from the only sales data available then the 7 Series isn't anywhere close to the S-Class sales.
I provided lease data to counter your assertions; obviously it doesn't help that your BMW deals aren't as good if you can't take advantage of all available credits.
My statement about excessive BMW posts also goes back to countless posts over many months by several members here including you; so hardly a knee-jerk reaction
I wouldn't call this a huge development at all. I saw a 40% number floating around for the i7 percentage. It is unclear if that once a particular spike but I am heard similar from the dealer. If I deduct that from the only sales data available then the 7 Series isn't anywhere close to the S-Class sales.
I provided lease data to counter your assertions; obviously it doesn't help that your BMW deals aren't as good if you can't take advantage of all available credits.
My statement about excessive BMW posts also goes back to countless posts over many months by several members here including you; so hardly a knee-jerk reaction
The guy has been contentious and off-putting from his day one, and nothing has changed. It's one thing to be contentious, and another to have basic respect and humility.
I wouldn't call this a huge development at all. I saw a 40% number floating around for the i7 percentage. It is unclear if that once a particular spike but I am heard similar from the dealer. If I deduct that from the only sales data available then the 7 Series isn't anywhere close to the S-Class sales.
I provided lease data to counter your assertions; obviously it doesn't help that your BMW deals aren't as good if you can't take advantage of all available credits.
My statement about excessive BMW posts also goes back to countless posts over many months by several members here including you; so hardly a knee-jerk reaction
We'll have to agree to disagree about this not being a big development for BMW. The new 7 is a big success here in the US, like it or not
I'd be in the market but I KNOW all the screens are still inside so I'll save my money. And yes, I still like the stars in the taillights
Sadly, the screens will be here to stay, unlike the fidget spinner fad... for example.
I just hope they can make it less distracting at least, and bring back some physical buttons and get rid of the capacitive touch but might be a pipe dream.
I think the refresh screens will be better, the new E Class is much better integrated.
Although personally I find the screens less of an issue in person than in pictures.
Just like the star taillights, again a personal preference thing at the end of the day : )
I don't dislike the screens at all unlike the star taillights, it is not a deal breaker for me at all, I just prefer physical buttons and how the screens were side by side, that's all : ) It was strange that BMW decided to pull a MB and started putting side by side screens, interesting for sure. Good to have competition and options of course. I also never had any issues with the vertical layout even when I first saw it in pictures, let alone seeing them in person.
That said, the stars seems to be smaller? In the spy photos of the facelift W223 and it seems like there are 3 (the 3rd one covered with camouflage) ? I might end up liking it, I just find the W214 star taillights intrusive maybe because of the size of those stars (and it stood out to me seeing it in person), but again that's just me : )
You feel this way because you are American and cars have always been designed for us lol
Why do you think these BMWs etc have gotten so much bigger and bloated and ride biased vs handling biased? Because thats what we want.
Cars built through the 2000s had an identity that wasn’t tied to any particular market and more associated with the country of origin and brand. German cars were very identifiable versus American or Japanese cars of those eras.
Cars built through the 2000s had an identity that wasn’t tied to any particular market and more associated with the country of origin and brand. German cars were very identifiable versus American or Japanese cars of those eras.
I don't agree at all. The W220 S Class is a great example of a car that was engineered to be entirely different from the generation that came before it in order to be more appealing to US buyers and to help with the influx of competition from Lexus.
Today there is still a huge difference between a german car and a japanese or american car, but all cars are designed and built for a specific consumer in mind...we have just always been that consumer since we were the biggest market, thats changing now.
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