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yezzir. and of course it's personal preference. and my apologies - i should have been more clear - i gradually left the benzo brand because the quality slipped over and over and over with successive model selections. i could not rely on these $100,000+ cars any more - and with porsche - i could. more incredulously - benzo apparently didn't care! with nearly $1/2 million in sales (i buy not lease) frequently turned over in my garage alone - you'd think they get with it. but they don't. stuttgart gets it. and they get my money now.
06-21-2024, 06:54 PM
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Mercedes-Benz is also headquartered in Stuttgart, hence the E500 partnership with Porsche. In any case The taillight stars bother me far less than the stars in the headlights. Will have to see it in the flesh.
06-21-2024, 09:04 PM
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thank you for this. i actually don't care what it looks like. i just want EVERYTHING to work as designed, as expected, as put-forth. take me back to the benzo days of yore when it was solid, panzer-like construction and you could **rely** on it. ima ok with the technological leaps but they need to work! (including the friggin door handles, nod to you, stream!). i have two porsche cars and they are flawless. everything operates - including the pcm - perfectly every time. including a buttery smooth transmission. PLEASE give me this in my '26 s580 - and i'll pay full sticker for it. it is very telling i think that for more than three decades now i had three late model benzo cars in my garage - always a sports car (sl), a family hauler (suv) and a luxury sedan (s). look-it my signature today - two of the three have been replaced with porsche cars. will the panny win out over the '26 s580 and take the hat-trick - completely rebranding my garage from 30+ yrs fully benzo to fully porsche? wow.
06-22-2024, 07:27 AM
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AMG GTC Roadster, E63s Ed.1, M8 Comp. Coupe
All of the 4.0L V8’s were AMG designed, including the M176 in the 2018+ S560. These will be standard machine build engines but the power is nice. With the mild hybrid it will be in-between the 55 and 63 AMG power levels of other models.
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06-22-2024, 08:41 AM
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We must share a telekinetic connection. I feel exactly as you and we currently have three MB’s in the garage, soon to be two and a BMW. After that, who knows? Over on the R232 SL forum, they are talking about $4,000 vouchers MB is passing out, due I think to the massive problems those cars have and the tremendous fall in market value. I truly hope that in addition to giving the refreshed W223 “STARS” everywhere, that they make the car a true STAR by delivering flawless functionality. One more problematic S Class and they will lose way more than just yours truly.
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06-22-2024, 11:54 AM
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Yah no doubt, that's a nice garage, wish I had one 
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06-22-2024, 12:15 PM
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I love the look and concept of the Panamera but the drive just isn’t for me. Too sporty and firm riding and loud.
I need to make a decision on something…
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06-22-2024, 01:03 PM
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I thought you said you moved to a place that you have to leave a car outside the garage because there is no room, forum members suggested a double decker solution which you did not approve, I am glad to see that you found room for all your cars in the garage and don't have to sell the R231 you love so much, the SL 45MightyMouse. Happy for you! By the way, lovely garage design. : )
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06-22-2024, 01:05 PM
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06-22-2024, 03:20 PM
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I would get an S500 with every option available, sans the executive rear seat, if I were buying today. The I6 is more than sufficient, especially with the power bump.
06-22-2024, 03:46 PM
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Totally disagree. The I6 is underpowered for such a big vehicle and frankly is also noisy. The S class pedigree and history deserves the Eight. Wouldn’t touch the I6. Test drive it and was thoroughly underwhelmed.
06-22-2024, 03:47 PM
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Was it the new model that you tried with the upgraded full adaptive suspension (whatever they call it?). I found it hard to believe that car doesn't drive well and smooth, but I still need to find one to test drive and am soooo excited about it. Reviews online - which I tend to NOT trust anyway - claim an outstanding comfort and driving experience. Still, if I ever again consider an ICE car, it would be the W223... I don't see myself ever buying ICE unless it's an S-class, but I learned to never say never, and Panamera is a car I never owned that I always wanted. I'll probably get one from Cars and Bids in a few years to enjoy for a year, but it's not a car I'd buy new or lease to keep for 3 years.. These cars get boring so quickly.
06-22-2024, 04:51 PM
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It's not about flooring it, it's the sense of effortless power, that recommends it to me.
I suppose it comes down to how you define luxury. To me that means loaded. All my life, luxury cars have had all the goodies. It means effortless power, not for hooliganism, but for the satisfaction of never having to strain. It means the latest technology in terms of engineering in its safety features, comfort, and convenience. It means leading edge functionality in its systems.
I never buy the 6 in this car, it's a good engine, but it doesn't meet my expectations. In the end, it's not that much more to get the car with an engine that does, and I'd go that way every time
I suppose it comes down to how you define luxury. To me that means loaded. All my life, luxury cars have had all the goodies. It means effortless power, not for hooliganism, but for the satisfaction of never having to strain. It means the latest technology in terms of engineering in its safety features, comfort, and convenience. It means leading edge functionality in its systems.
I never buy the 6 in this car, it's a good engine, but it doesn't meet my expectations. In the end, it's not that much more to get the car with an engine that does, and I'd go that way every time
06-22-2024, 05:36 PM
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Well, the I6 feels “effortless” to me. Of course, I know that’s completely subjective. But frankly, the only V8 worth a damn in this thing is what’s in the S63. 0.3 to 0.5 seconds faster in the S580 isn’t important to me considering I’m not trying to race anyone in this thing lol.
06-22-2024, 11:43 PM
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By that logic, there is no reason to want to win a 20 million dollar lottery because there are lotteries that pay out more. I've had a lot of V8s, and there is nothing wrong with the unit in the 580, I'd give it a worth a damn rating without hesitation. But you've gone back to the numbers again, and those are not why you get the V8.
But, fair enough. You know what you want, and I can respect that.
But, fair enough. You know what you want, and I can respect that.
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06-23-2024, 12:02 AM
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Just driving a luxury electric vehicle, like a MB or a BMW, laid to rest any desire to own another new vehicle powered by an ICE. The EQS450 SUV I had as a loaner had a wonderfully powerful and smooth operating power train. It was quite impressive. EV’s are not for everyone—not yet—but if you place a very high value on smoothness, quietness and comfort, try a luxury electric—preferably a German one—and I believe you will be very impressed.
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06-23-2024, 07:22 AM
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Just driving a luxury electric vehicle, like a MB or a BMW, laid to rest any desire to own another new vehicle powered by an ICE. The EQS450 SUV I had as a loaner had a wonderfully powerful and smooth operating power train. It was quite impressive. EV’s are not for everyone—not yet—but if you place a very high value on smoothness, quietness and comfort, try a luxury electric—preferably a German one—and I believe you will be very impressed.
Then of course without the ICE it is also more serene. So MB's EVs and other automakers' EVs have a lot of sound deadening because the road noise would otherwise be more pronounced.
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The main problem with ICE MBs is the gearbox which EV solves completely. Without the traditional transmission (although EVs do have a transmission of some sort).. It could be as smooth as butter.
Then of course without the ICE it is also more serene. So MB's EVs and other automakers' EVs have a lot of sound deadening because the road noise would otherwise be more pronounced.
Then of course without the ICE it is also more serene. So MB's EVs and other automakers' EVs have a lot of sound deadening because the road noise would otherwise be more pronounced.
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I mostly agree. The transmission in the W223, especially around town at lower speeds, really serves to diminish what might otherwise be a very smooth & pleasant experience. However, when I drove the new BMW 740i, with a much better transmission, I was not all that impressed. When I drove the I7 electric, I was blown away. The way the electric drive works with the heavier car just produces something close to perfection. Not really in the same league, but I had similar feelings about the EQS SUV I had as a loaner. Electric propulsion is perfect for a luxury vehicle, in my opinion.
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I guess the i7 also had the advantage/experience of from the Rolls Royce development and comfort (in a way). Which the EQS didn't have the luxury of that other than Maybach.... People kept saying the 7 series front was inspired by the Rolls Royce anyways. I wonder how much Rolls Royce (hopefully I am not greedy) was actually in the i7?
Edit: W223 is a fine vehicle but not without issues, I really hope the facelift fixes the software issues at least and certainly that transmission programming.
I also look forward to seeing the real S-Class of EVs.
Edit: W223 is a fine vehicle but not without issues, I really hope the facelift fixes the software issues at least and certainly that transmission programming.
I also look forward to seeing the real S-Class of EVs.
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06-23-2024, 05:54 PM
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I will have to order something likely though, so I need to do that. MB will pull mine ahead 3 months and I have 4 payments left so it can be done.
I drove the S500 and hated it, no I6 for me.
It was the new Panamera, it drives incredibly well its just a very different car from an S Class, its much sportier. Not my thing.
Agree that there is just something about the S Class...there are a few out there on the ground that work for me, I'll see what the situation looks like next week.
Mine is leaking oil like a sive, something got screwed up during the valve cover repair...PITA...
Was it the new model that you tried with the upgraded full adaptive suspension (whatever they call it?). I found it hard to believe that car doesn't drive well and smooth, but I still need to find one to test drive and am soooo excited about it. Reviews online - which I tend to NOT trust anyway - claim an outstanding comfort and driving experience. Still, if I ever again consider an ICE car, it would be the W223... I don't see myself ever buying ICE unless it's an S-class, but I learned to never say never, and Panamera is a car I never owned that I always wanted. I'll probably get one from Cars and Bids in a few years to enjoy for a year, but it's not a car I'd buy new or lease to keep for 3 years.. These cars get boring so quickly.
Agree that there is just something about the S Class...there are a few out there on the ground that work for me, I'll see what the situation looks like next week.
Mine is leaking oil like a sive, something got screwed up during the valve cover repair...PITA...
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