RizRaff

Hey guys I need some help from the experts. I’m in the market for an amg s63e. I have a fear. When the facelift for the Sclass comes in a couple years will the facelift be applied to the s63e as well?

Wolfman

Albeit with a possible small delay, facelifts apply to all models so, yes, the S63 will get external and internal updates. Given the late intro there is a chance that the facelift will occur with a year on that car.

RizRaff

thank you for that. Do we think facelift is coming in 26 or 27. My theory is for the amg it will be delayed because people are just starting to get their hands on one.

W205C43PFL

https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...ml#post9010484

This is for the regular W223, the W223 S 63 E Performance might then be coming as a late 2027 model year (if what is mentioned is true) or even a 2028.

RizRaff

great info. Appreciate it.

W205C43PFL

Glad to help!

Times Two

I don’t believe this will be the case. With the W221 and W222 facelifts, the AMG variants were available almost immediately after the regular models, as in only a few months later (at least on release, perhaps no gap on production), so I doubt a delay like that would occur here. However, the AMG variants have typically been delayed roughly a (model or calandra) year whenever the new generation S-Klasse enters production (in the W223 case, it was more like two years).

Wolfman

The facelift models will all appear at the same time, including the S63. The delay with the initial rollout were due to the implementation and improvement of the e-performance system. That is settled.
I also highly doubt that the facelift will come as late as suggested here. Given the state of pre-prod models being tested, there is a zero chance of that.

I expect the facelift to be out next year…

W205C43PFL

Actually, the prediction by other members there made was due to the enhancement of the E Performance drivetrain, that requires time. From what I read however, there were lots of praises of the E Performance drivetrain in the S 63 compared to when it was first debuted on the GT 63 and the C 63, so there might not be a lot of refinement/enhancement required on the facelift S 63, so roll out come be on par of when regular S 580/S 500 facelift comes out.

As you already know, the roll out of the pre-facelift S 63 E Performance took a while and the release was delayed many times in USA, so there is always that possibility.

W205C43PFL

If the predictions were inaccurate, that is good news! I am looking forward to seeing the facelift next year then.

SW20S

I agree. We woild not have fully completed camo models being tested on the road if we were still 2 years from seeing the facelift. We'll have it fall 2025 as a 2026.

YTD in 2024 the 7 Series is outselling the S Class which never happens, MB isn't going to wait 2 more years to launch the refresh.

Dima

I am hearing/reading of 2 possible scenarios: a) summer of 2025, b) summer of 2026 with bigger changes due to slow sales.
In both cases, S63 will be coming at the same time, waiting for one as well with MBOS as I want to play with latest AI stuff

SW20S

The cars are running around now and they are really complete, because the light housings are the new ones vs using the old ones in a mule. I don't think they're going to turn around and scrap the refresh they have already completed.

Frenetic

I agree. I find it hard to believe they’re going to scrap and start over despite some criticisms of the current generation. Any refresh part changes takes a lot of time to design, test, finalize and then actually go into production. I think over 97% of the changes are set in stone.

NbyNW

Nothing new. Deliveries off 37%. BMW 7 and 8 series up over 11%.

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/m...an-1235824001/

SW20S

These cars are just too expensive IMO, and lease support has been very poor until the last 2-3 months. The only reason I got one is that the support finally kicked in to where I got a deal that I consider to be fair, $366 more a month than I was paying for my S560. No way I would have paid the $700-$1,000 a month more that the lease payments would have been 3+ months ago.

Lou B

Interesting -
I have never leased a car. I did buy a SAAB convertible on time payments at 0%.
If I ever do make a decision on another S Class, I'm going to sure think about a lease.

NbyNW

Think the whole purpose of these crazy prices is to get folks to lease, payments for a lifetime. I'd not just MB. Pickups are over 100k, get a Caddy Escalade V for 150k, Navigator or Denali SUV for 110-120k. These are top end things, but even "cheap" cars are expensive so payments for life. I've never leased but it's getting crazy.

SW20S

That doesn't work without lease support. For a long time the lease payments on a W223 were the same or more than a finance payment.

I have no interest in owning a crazy depreciating S Class lol, bring on the set tax deductible monthly cost.

Lou B

Tax deductons play no role in my thinking; convenience for an aging couple would hold more weight, I imagine. Still, I'd have to look at numbers.