w222 vs w223
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I was not planning to bite this big of a bullet, but once I drove the car I knew I wanted a newer model, specifically with the 4D Bermester, amongst other options. Finding used 223's with the desired options was proving difficult, near impossible. I just threw that idea out the window. As it were we found one with what I wanted in the right colors currently on the water heading to Baltimore and I grabbed it. I'll post pics once she's in my driveway
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Actually, not ture. There is a larger difference in the W221 to W222 than W222 to W223. This is from both a driving and parts perspective. The infotainment in the W223 is the primary difference between the 2 generations. You could also argue the interior is different, and in my opinion a definite upgrade, iterative, not revolutionary. If infotainment is a deciding factor, then it's a no-brainer. But the chassis, powertrain, and suspension is practically identical, while all suspension and subframe components are different in the W221 to W222 cars.
W223 has an entirely different bodyshell and is based on MRA-Large. It has much more in common with the W205/W206 and W213/W214 than it does the W222. The W223 I would say is actually one of the few recent clean-sheet redesigns from Mercedes-Benz, other than the GLE/GLS and new SL/AMG GT. All the other MRA II vehicles besides the S-Klasse are currently based on their MRA MIdsize predecessors. The S-Klasse had no MRA predecessor, hence the need to start from scratch.
Also, again, I wouldn’t count the powertrains, since there have been so many instances of cars getting redesigned entirely from scratch, but carrying over the preceding powertrains.
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I was not planning to bite this big of a bullet, but once I drove the car I knew I wanted a newer model, specifically with the 4D Bermester, amongst other options. Finding used 223's with the desired options was proving difficult, near impossible. I just threw that idea out the window. As it were we found one with what I wanted in the right colors currently on the water heading to Baltimore and I grabbed it. I'll post pics once she's in my driveway
You're going to love that 4D, really does well across most genres. If I may offer a suggestion: Bite the bullet and get the onboard data. Use that for Tidal or Apple music, then stick with ATMOS as much as possible. It's not as good if you run it through Car Play or Android Auto, even though you would think you're getting the goods by bypassing Bluetooth, but you'll be down on sound quality. You can also set up your phone as a hotspot, but you've got to hassle with turning it on and off. Don't forget to go through the individual setup in the Burmy, takes a few minutes, but worth it.
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The W222 literally uses the same steel bodyshell platform and wheelbase as the W221 from 2006. It was also designed as the “evolution” model, since the W221 had been a completely new car compared the W220, which also happened to be a completely new car following up the W140, also a completely new car.
W223 has an entirely different bodyshell and is based on MRA-Large. It has much more in common with the W205/W206 and W213/W214 than it does the W222. The W223 I would say is actually one of the few recent clean-sheet redesigns from Mercedes-Benz, other than the GLE/GLS and new SL/AMG GT. All the other MRA II vehicles besides the S-Klasse are currently based on their MRA MIdsize predecessors. The S-Klasse had no MRA predecessor, hence the need to start from scratch.
Also, again, I wouldn’t count the powertrains, since there have been so many instances of cars getting redesigned entirely from scratch, but carrying over the preceding powertrains.
W223 has an entirely different bodyshell and is based on MRA-Large. It has much more in common with the W205/W206 and W213/W214 than it does the W222. The W223 I would say is actually one of the few recent clean-sheet redesigns from Mercedes-Benz, other than the GLE/GLS and new SL/AMG GT. All the other MRA II vehicles besides the S-Klasse are currently based on their MRA MIdsize predecessors. The S-Klasse had no MRA predecessor, hence the need to start from scratch.
Also, again, I wouldn’t count the powertrains, since there have been so many instances of cars getting redesigned entirely from scratch, but carrying over the preceding powertrains.
@OP: Congrats on the W223… that’s an awesome color combo. LOVE the red interior and looking forward to seeing photos. As far as the exterior, if it’s not blue, white is probably the next best paint color.
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I was not planning to bite this big of a bullet, but once I drove the car I knew I wanted a newer model, specifically with the 4D Bermester, amongst other options. Finding used 223's with the desired options was proving difficult, near impossible. I just threw that idea out the window. As it were we found one with what I wanted in the right colors currently on the water heading to Baltimore and I grabbed it. I'll post pics once she's in my driveway
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One can easily make the case that every new generation is very similar and carries many parts/design elements from the previous generation. W222 is very similar to W221 in some aspects, just like how the W223 is similar in some ways to W222. However, I still consider the W223 as a massive improvement over W222 from a technological perspective. The W222 is outdated but still a gorgeous, well-built car. It’s just not a car that I’d consider driving now in 2024/2025 as a tech-oriented person. It works for most people, but technology is my priority in most cars. I haven’t driven a W223 for weeks or months, but I accumulated close to 3-4 weeks. The car is much quieter than the W222. Yes, I don’t like the front, but the car is super quiet, the tech and dashboard are more modern and tech-superior. I love the new leather seats. The rear wheel steering experience is probably the best part of the W223 compared to the W222. Most of my recent cars (X7, X5, B8) have rear wheel steering and I just hate cars without it. I can’t think of any new-tech feature that the W223 is missing other than a phone as a key. For the drivetrain, typically you’d need to wait for the facelift to get a re-designed or different drivetrain as well. I wish MBenz follows BMW’s approach (new drivetrain with a new generation in most cases).
@OP: Congrats on the W223… that’s an awesome color combo. LOVE the red interior and looking forward to seeing photos. As far as the exterior, if it’s not blue, white is probably the next best paint color.
@OP: Congrats on the W223… that’s an awesome color combo. LOVE the red interior and looking forward to seeing photos. As far as the exterior, if it’s not blue, white is probably the next best paint color.
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Yes and no cause it doesn’t matter… in both cases the drivetrain lasts 8 years…. Benz split those in half (4 for facelift of prev gen, and 4 years for the new gen). BMW does the opposite, same duration but it belongs to the same generation of a given car (not always, but in most cases). So as an owner or fan, you are still exposed to the same 8-years lifetime span of a given drivetrain, and sometimes u’ll get a car right when a new drivetrain is released, sometimes the opposite. I’d rather enjoy a new drivetrain and transmission when I move to a new generation. Though sometimes it works well.. when I upgraded from pre-facelift to facelift W222, I got to enjoy not only newer software, but also newer drivetrain. But the drivetrain excitement would be less for those going from W222 facelift to W223 cause the drivetrain is very similar. Although I’d say I get to be way more excited when I upgrade in a BMW to a new gen (new car, new styling, new engine, new infotainment and new drivetrain). BMW compensate for that by a more aggressive facelift (LCI) design changes, so staying on the same drivetrain for one generation in the case of BMW from pre to post facelift works well.
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You're going to love that 4D, really does well across most genres. If I may offer a suggestion: Bite the bullet and get the onboard data. Use that for Tidal or Apple music, then stick with ATMOS as much as possible. It's not as good if you run it through Car Play or Android Auto, even though you would think you're getting the goods by bypassing Bluetooth, but you'll be down on sound quality. You can also set up your phone as a hotspot, but you've got to hassle with turning it on and off. Don't forget to go through the individual setup in the Burmy, takes a few minutes, but worth it.
I was going to download amazon music unlimited in the apps of Mbux and stream through that. Is that even possible? And where do I find "Atmos" I had title on my last phone and streamed through BT on my aftermarket system ( in my old truck ) But my new phone doesn't have enough data storage and I sold all my audio equipment. Amazon music unlimited also streams Flac files also so I thought I'd try that. I hadn't considered streaming again until I listened to my #d system in the GLE. That system is worthy of Flac files. Heck, even the compressed Sirius stream sounds decent.
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Yes and no cause it doesn’t matter… in both cases the drivetrain lasts 8 years…. Benz split those in half (4 for facelift of prev gen, and 4 years for the new gen). BMW does the opposite, same duration but it belongs to the same generation of a given car (not always, but in most cases). So as an owner or fan, you are still exposed to the same 8-years lifetime span of a given drivetrain, and sometimes u’ll get a car right when a new drivetrain is released, sometimes the opposite. I’d rather enjoy a new drivetrain and transmission when I move to a new generation. Though sometimes it works well.. when I upgraded from pre-facelift to facelift W222, I got to enjoy not only newer software, but also newer drivetrain. But the drivetrain excitement would be less for those going from W222 facelift to W223 cause the drivetrain is very similar. Although I’d say I get to be way more excited when I upgrade in a BMW to a new gen (new car, new styling, new engine, new infotainment and new drivetrain). BMW compensate for that by a more aggressive facelift (LCI) design changes, so staying on the same drivetrain for one generation in the case of BMW from pre to post facelift works well.
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To the member who mentioned rear wheel steering. This car is not equipped with that option. My understanding was that is is a line item option. However, it does have the "executive line" as opposed to Pinnacle trim. It's the same price, 14,500, but the items listed are not the same. What am I missing?
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To the member who mentioned rear wheel steering. This car is not equipped with that option. My understanding was that is is a line item option. However, it does have the "executive line" as opposed to Pinnacle trim. It's the same price, 14,500, but the items listed are not the same. What am I missing?
Forgive my ignorance please. I'm a relative MB newb
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They must have changed how the rear steer is optioned; 10 was included with executive when I purchased.
Rather than answer your PM, I'll post here. Others may benefit later, and some may want to jump in with corrections, or have other tips to pass along
The onboard data is a plan you can sign up for in the car. Not sure if it matters to you, but outside what I was talking about, it will give you an onboard hotspot. What 4D owners will definitely be wanting, is that it also gives you is the ability to use that data for your tunes. You have the option to use that data, set up your phone as a hotspot and connect the car to it, or use Bluetooth. Do not use Bluetooth, that will greatly cut down your bandwidth. Using your phone as a hotspot will mean you have to turn it on and connect your car to it every time you get in, or keep your hotspot up all the time, with the attendant battery hit. The car connecting to the phone as a hotspot automatically isn't 100%, which is another reason using the onboard data is easier. It also spares you from pulling the data off of your phone plan, and you are going to be pulling down megatons of data if you are listening in ATMOS.
You'll likely want to go Apple if you're an iPhone user, or Tidal if you're on Android. The car already has both as a native app onboard, along with Amazon, and Spotify. Whichever way you go, you sign in to the native app, with your credentials, in the car. I cant recall exactly what you have to do in MBUX to get ATMOS, I know I did have to turn it on in Tidal.
Go 3 minutes in to the following video and you'll get a pretty good idea of the process for setting up the personal sound profile.
Rather than answer your PM, I'll post here. Others may benefit later, and some may want to jump in with corrections, or have other tips to pass along
The onboard data is a plan you can sign up for in the car. Not sure if it matters to you, but outside what I was talking about, it will give you an onboard hotspot. What 4D owners will definitely be wanting, is that it also gives you is the ability to use that data for your tunes. You have the option to use that data, set up your phone as a hotspot and connect the car to it, or use Bluetooth. Do not use Bluetooth, that will greatly cut down your bandwidth. Using your phone as a hotspot will mean you have to turn it on and connect your car to it every time you get in, or keep your hotspot up all the time, with the attendant battery hit. The car connecting to the phone as a hotspot automatically isn't 100%, which is another reason using the onboard data is easier. It also spares you from pulling the data off of your phone plan, and you are going to be pulling down megatons of data if you are listening in ATMOS.
You'll likely want to go Apple if you're an iPhone user, or Tidal if you're on Android. The car already has both as a native app onboard, along with Amazon, and Spotify. Whichever way you go, you sign in to the native app, with your credentials, in the car. I cant recall exactly what you have to do in MBUX to get ATMOS, I know I did have to turn it on in Tidal.
Go 3 minutes in to the following video and you'll get a pretty good idea of the process for setting up the personal sound profile.
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They must have changed how the rear steer is optioned; 10 was included with executive when I purchased.
Rather than answer your PM, I'll post here. Others may benefit later, and some may want to jump in with corrections, or have other tips to pass along
The onboard data is a plan you can sign up for in the car. Not sure if it matters to you, but outside what I was talking about, it will give you an onboard hotspot. What 4D owners will definitely be wanting, is that it also gives you is the ability to use that data for your tunes. You have the option to use that data, set up your phone as a hotspot and connect the car to it, or use Bluetooth. Do not use Bluetooth, that will greatly cut down your bandwidth. Using your phone as a hotspot will mean you have to turn it on and connect your car to it every time you get in, or keep your hotspot up all the time, with the attendant battery hit. The car connecting to the phone as a hotspot automatically isn't 100%, which is another reason using the onboard data is easier. It also spares you from pulling the data off of your phone plan, and you are going to be pulling down megatons of data if you are listening in ATMOS.
You'll likely want to go Apple if you're an iPhone user, or Tidal if you're on Android. The car already has both as a native app onboard, along with Amazon, and Spotify. Whichever way you go, you sign in to the native app, with your credentials, in the car. I cant recall exactly what you have to do in MBUX to get ATMOS, I know I did have to turn it on in Tidal.
Go 3 minutes in to the following video and you'll get a pretty good idea of the process for setting up the personal sound profile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yon5WZHXGcU
Rather than answer your PM, I'll post here. Others may benefit later, and some may want to jump in with corrections, or have other tips to pass along
The onboard data is a plan you can sign up for in the car. Not sure if it matters to you, but outside what I was talking about, it will give you an onboard hotspot. What 4D owners will definitely be wanting, is that it also gives you is the ability to use that data for your tunes. You have the option to use that data, set up your phone as a hotspot and connect the car to it, or use Bluetooth. Do not use Bluetooth, that will greatly cut down your bandwidth. Using your phone as a hotspot will mean you have to turn it on and connect your car to it every time you get in, or keep your hotspot up all the time, with the attendant battery hit. The car connecting to the phone as a hotspot automatically isn't 100%, which is another reason using the onboard data is easier. It also spares you from pulling the data off of your phone plan, and you are going to be pulling down megatons of data if you are listening in ATMOS.
You'll likely want to go Apple if you're an iPhone user, or Tidal if you're on Android. The car already has both as a native app onboard, along with Amazon, and Spotify. Whichever way you go, you sign in to the native app, with your credentials, in the car. I cant recall exactly what you have to do in MBUX to get ATMOS, I know I did have to turn it on in Tidal.
Go 3 minutes in to the following video and you'll get a pretty good idea of the process for setting up the personal sound profile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yon5WZHXGcU
Very helpful. Thank you
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I was thinking that also. I would wager that they are all built with the ability to steer via programing. On the build page it's $1,300 option for either 4 or 10 degree. The components necessary for RWS are more expensive that that. I suspect it's a coding option, not a mechanical option. The dealer can probably code it
