w222 vs w223
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w222 vs w223
I am looking at a w222, 2020 s560 and a 21 s580. My research tells me a little but I'd like some real life experience. Hoping you all can help
I read some that think the 222 is "built better" than the newer 223. What are your opinions
Is thera any noticeable difference in ride quality or handling?
Aside from different options, a different motor and more tech goodies what are the highs and lows comparatively speaking
Currently in a gle53 and looking for a companion car
Thanks in advance
I read some that think the 222 is "built better" than the newer 223. What are your opinions
Is thera any noticeable difference in ride quality or handling?
Aside from different options, a different motor and more tech goodies what are the highs and lows comparatively speaking
Currently in a gle53 and looking for a companion car
Thanks in advance
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I am looking at a w222, 2020 s560 and a 21 s580. My research tells me a little but I'd like some real life experience. Hoping you all can help
I read some that think the 222 is "built better" than the newer 223. What are your opinions
Is thera any noticeable difference in ride quality or handling?
Aside from different options, a different motor and more tech goodies what are the highs and lows comparatively speaking
Currently in a gle53 and looking for a companion car
Thanks in advance
I read some that think the 222 is "built better" than the newer 223. What are your opinions
Is thera any noticeable difference in ride quality or handling?
Aside from different options, a different motor and more tech goodies what are the highs and lows comparatively speaking
Currently in a gle53 and looking for a companion car
Thanks in advance
That said, forum member @ SW20S had a very positive transition experience, hope they can chime in and share about it here.
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I’ve never driven a 223, so any comments should be taken with a grain of salt…
It seems that the ‘21s/‘22s had several issues which seem to have been resolved in the ‘23s and ‘24s.
Do your research and make your decision. I chose a 2019 W222 as reliability and refinement were my big issues. Research showed me that the M276 was near bullet-proof, and the chassis/IT/software was well-sorted.
It seems that the ‘21s/‘22s had several issues which seem to have been resolved in the ‘23s and ‘24s.
Do your research and make your decision. I chose a 2019 W222 as reliability and refinement were my big issues. Research showed me that the M276 was near bullet-proof, and the chassis/IT/software was well-sorted.
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I'm on my 2nd W222 and love the car. I had a loaner W223 S500 for a couple months and liked the car. Some people say the large screen is annoying or ugly, but I thought it was wonderful. Because of the lack of phyusical buttons I found myself using "Hey Mercedes" for most functions. It worked well, but can be annoying or inconvenient while either on the phone, or people in the car, or using navigation. The dashboard vents threw a large and distracting glare on the windshield and created blind spots. That was my only "real" gripe about the car.
As far as the model year, 2021 and some 2022 cars were shipped without some standard features due to the chip shortage. I briefly looked into buying a used 2021 used in late 2022 and 100% the cars I saw had missing features, mostly deleted seat heaters, so that was a no-go for me. Just be sure the car you find actually has the features listed; some will have a feature listed, then on another line saying it wasn't built inot the car. That only applies to 2021-2022 cars.
As far as the model year, 2021 and some 2022 cars were shipped without some standard features due to the chip shortage. I briefly looked into buying a used 2021 used in late 2022 and 100% the cars I saw had missing features, mostly deleted seat heaters, so that was a no-go for me. Just be sure the car you find actually has the features listed; some will have a feature listed, then on another line saying it wasn't built inot the car. That only applies to 2021-2022 cars.
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I'm on my 2nd W222 and love the car. I had a loaner W223 S500 for a couple months and liked the car. Some people say the large screen is annoying or ugly, but I thought it was wonderful. Because of the lack of phyusical buttons I found myself using "Hey Mercedes" for most functions. It worked well, but can be annoying or inconvenient while either on the phone, or people in the car, or using navigation. The dashboard vents threw a large and distracting glare on the windshield and created blind spots. That was my only "real" gripe about the car.
As far as the model year, 2021 and some 2022 cars were shipped without some standard features due to the chip shortage. I briefly looked into buying a used 2021 used in late 2022 and 100% the cars I saw had missing features, mostly deleted seat heaters, so that was a no-go for me. Just be sure the car you find actually has the features listed; some will have a feature listed, then on another line saying it wasn't built inot the car. That only applies to 2021-2022 cars.
As far as the model year, 2021 and some 2022 cars were shipped without some standard features due to the chip shortage. I briefly looked into buying a used 2021 used in late 2022 and 100% the cars I saw had missing features, mostly deleted seat heaters, so that was a no-go for me. Just be sure the car you find actually has the features listed; some will have a feature listed, then on another line saying it wasn't built inot the car. That only applies to 2021-2022 cars.
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Do not get a 21 or 22 W223. Lots of members on the forum have had issues, the 23s and 24s seem to be much better. If deciding between a 20 S560 or a 21 S580 I would choose the S560.
My 2024 W223 has been great, about 6600 miles on it now. The ride is a little better than the W222, its a little quieter. Powertrain feel and response is about the same (same engine and transmission, the S580 just adds the 48v mild hybrid system). Tech is much better, infotainment is much quicker and more feature rich, COMAND in the W222 is slow and clunky by comparison. Audio in the 223 is MUCH better. MHO the W222 with the AMG package is a better looking car still, although my W223 is very attractive also. I think for you my main concern would be the reliability issues with early 223s.
My 2024 W223 has been great, about 6600 miles on it now. The ride is a little better than the W222, its a little quieter. Powertrain feel and response is about the same (same engine and transmission, the S580 just adds the 48v mild hybrid system). Tech is much better, infotainment is much quicker and more feature rich, COMAND in the W222 is slow and clunky by comparison. Audio in the 223 is MUCH better. MHO the W222 with the AMG package is a better looking car still, although my W223 is very attractive also. I think for you my main concern would be the reliability issues with early 223s.
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This comparison is getting a bit too old now. Let’s not forget that the W222 is mostly a car that was designed in 2012-2013. The technology is very old per today’s standards that I can’t even consider. Even the W223 isn’t great but works fine. The W222 tech isn’t great nowadays. The screen isn’t sharp, no wireless carplay, lane keep assist isn’t so great, the infotainment is slow. AWESOME car 4-10 years ago but not today.
Other than a nicer looking front end with the W222, the W223 is better in everything else including the MBUX touch screen which most people hate but you’ll get used to it very quickly. I have MBUX NTG 6 in my GLS and started to use touch screen more often though I think the touchpad would be awesome to have in the W223, but I think I’d still be okay in our GLS without the touchpad which I like. That’s the only downside. I’d definitely get a W223 now over the W222. Unless budget is the main motivation, there is just no reason to get a W222 now. It’s just better no matter how you look at it.
some interior plastics around is becoming the norm and you gotta accept that unless u get a BMW which seems to have less plastics in some areas in the cabin. It’s a shame that the exterior design isn’t as attractive but it’s still one of the nicest cars on the road. Behind the steering and as a driver, it’s flawless in my view.
Other than a nicer looking front end with the W222, the W223 is better in everything else including the MBUX touch screen which most people hate but you’ll get used to it very quickly. I have MBUX NTG 6 in my GLS and started to use touch screen more often though I think the touchpad would be awesome to have in the W223, but I think I’d still be okay in our GLS without the touchpad which I like. That’s the only downside. I’d definitely get a W223 now over the W222. Unless budget is the main motivation, there is just no reason to get a W222 now. It’s just better no matter how you look at it.
some interior plastics around is becoming the norm and you gotta accept that unless u get a BMW which seems to have less plastics in some areas in the cabin. It’s a shame that the exterior design isn’t as attractive but it’s still one of the nicest cars on the road. Behind the steering and as a driver, it’s flawless in my view.
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I think the fine gentlemen preceding me covered the highlights well enough. For me then, some might say as usual, I'll go on a bit of a tangent.
The 223 works great in terms of its infotainment, but you have to get onboard with the tech, and use it the way it was designed to be used. The car was designed to use voice for some functions, and it works well. Use it, and outside of setup initially, and diving in to fiddle with settings on the odd occasion, you won't often be in there. Don't use it, and you're going to menu dive frequently, and probably not without some level of irritation.
Captain Obvious, all that. Where I'm headed: If you hate voice, don't like taking the time to set up a car; your enjoyment of the 223 will be somewhat less, possibly significantly diminished. It's true with the competition as well. Wanna be happy in a new BMW, you have to make friends with doing it the way they designed the latest idrive to function. Same elsewhere. When considered from that angle, I'd say MBUX is (arguably) the best among the Germans.
The 223 works great in terms of its infotainment, but you have to get onboard with the tech, and use it the way it was designed to be used. The car was designed to use voice for some functions, and it works well. Use it, and outside of setup initially, and diving in to fiddle with settings on the odd occasion, you won't often be in there. Don't use it, and you're going to menu dive frequently, and probably not without some level of irritation.
Captain Obvious, all that. Where I'm headed: If you hate voice, don't like taking the time to set up a car; your enjoyment of the 223 will be somewhat less, possibly significantly diminished. It's true with the competition as well. Wanna be happy in a new BMW, you have to make friends with doing it the way they designed the latest idrive to function. Same elsewhere. When considered from that angle, I'd say MBUX is (arguably) the best among the Germans.
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I think the fine gentlemen preceding me covered the highlights well enough. For me then, some might say as usual, I'll go on a bit of a tangent.
The 223 works great in terms of its infotainment, but you have to get onboard with the tech, and use it the way it was designed to be used. The car was designed to use voice for some functions, and it works well. Use it, and outside of setup initially, and diving in to fiddle with settings on the odd occasion, you won't often be in there. Don't use it, and you're going to menu dive frequently, and probably not without some level of irritation.
Captain Obvious, all that. Where I'm headed: If you hate voice, don't like taking the time to set up a car; your enjoyment of the 223 will be somewhat less, possibly significantly diminished. It's true with the competition as well. Wanna be happy in a new BMW, you have to make friends with doing it the way they designed the latest idrive to function. Same elsewhere. When considered from that angle, I'd say MBUX is (arguably) the best among the Germans.
The 223 works great in terms of its infotainment, but you have to get onboard with the tech, and use it the way it was designed to be used. The car was designed to use voice for some functions, and it works well. Use it, and outside of setup initially, and diving in to fiddle with settings on the odd occasion, you won't often be in there. Don't use it, and you're going to menu dive frequently, and probably not without some level of irritation.
Captain Obvious, all that. Where I'm headed: If you hate voice, don't like taking the time to set up a car; your enjoyment of the 223 will be somewhat less, possibly significantly diminished. It's true with the competition as well. Wanna be happy in a new BMW, you have to make friends with doing it the way they designed the latest idrive to function. Same elsewhere. When considered from that angle, I'd say MBUX is (arguably) the best among the Germans.
I would agree with the tech comments. My 25 GLE53 tech had a steep learning curve. I still struggle with making phone calls, hands free. My 18 Ram, and all my BMW;s were significantly easier to operate. But that is also due to decades in BMW's and Rams so I evolved with the tech. Still leaning towards the 222 mostly due to budget
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I would agree with the tech comments. My 25 GLE53 tech had a steep learning curve. I still struggle with making phone calls, hands free. My 18 Ram, and all my BMW;s were significantly easier to operate. But that is also due to decades in BMW's and Rams so I evolved with the tech. Still leaning towards the 222 mostly due to budget
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I was picking up food the other day in the evening, and the lady handing me food from the window was like… omg I see 100s of cars every day, this is the nicest dashboard I’ve ever seen in my life, lol. MBENZ knows how to design their dashboards and did it well in the W222, which inspired very much the GLS/GLE design. The The W223 interior is nice, but the screen layout could have been better.
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I think the fine gentlemen preceding me covered the highlights well enough. For me then, some might say as usual, I'll go on a bit of a tangent.
The 223 works great in terms of its infotainment, but you have to get onboard with the tech, and use it the way it was designed to be used. The car was designed to use voice for some functions, and it works well. Use it, and outside of setup initially, and diving in to fiddle with settings on the odd occasion, you won't often be in there. Don't use it, and you're going to menu dive frequently, and probably not without some level of irritation.
Captain Obvious, all that. Where I'm headed: If you hate voice, don't like taking the time to set up a car; your enjoyment of the 223 will be somewhat less, possibly significantly diminished. It's true with the competition as well. Wanna be happy in a new BMW, you have to make friends with doing it the way they designed the latest idrive to function. Same elsewhere. When considered from that angle, I'd say MBUX is (arguably) the best among the Germans.
The 223 works great in terms of its infotainment, but you have to get onboard with the tech, and use it the way it was designed to be used. The car was designed to use voice for some functions, and it works well. Use it, and outside of setup initially, and diving in to fiddle with settings on the odd occasion, you won't often be in there. Don't use it, and you're going to menu dive frequently, and probably not without some level of irritation.
Captain Obvious, all that. Where I'm headed: If you hate voice, don't like taking the time to set up a car; your enjoyment of the 223 will be somewhat less, possibly significantly diminished. It's true with the competition as well. Wanna be happy in a new BMW, you have to make friends with doing it the way they designed the latest idrive to function. Same elsewhere. When considered from that angle, I'd say MBUX is (arguably) the best among the Germans.
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MBUX NTG 6 in the GLE/GLS feels like the pinnacle of recent MBENZ infotainment. It runs new MBUX software, and it still has the metallic nice buttons on the steering wheels (up until 2023/2024) that we used to see in the W222, and even better, it has the metallic physical buttons for AC, temperature, etc., and add to that a really nice, very responsive touchpad yet with a bunch of other buttons next to it with polished/chrome-like wheel-like buttons for volume and drive modes. It also has the elegant horizontal layout instead of the tablet style. Just can’t get any better than that. Add to that the fact that the screen itself is also touch, but it’s 100% redundant and optional, with excellent colors/clarity. In 2024 with the very minor facelift, it’s still as good, but they replaced it with the new capacitive touch steering (Personally, I’d pay money to get the pre-facelift steering), but it still has all the other goodies, physical buttons, and touchpad.
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I was picking up food the other day in the evening, and the lady handing me food from the window was like… omg I see 100s of cars every day, this is the nicest dashboard I’ve ever seen in my life, lol. MBENZ knows how to design their dashboards and did it well in the W222, which inspired very much the GLS/GLE design. The The W223 interior is nice, but the screen layout could have been better.
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I was picking up food the other day in the evening, and the lady handing me food from the window was like… omg I see 100s of cars every day, this is the nicest dashboard I’ve ever seen in my life, lol. MBENZ knows how to design their dashboards and did it well in the W222, which inspired very much the GLS/GLE design. The The W223 interior is nice, but the screen layout could have been better.
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Regardless of our opinions; walk into Porsche, Audi, MBW, MB, today, and you get what you get. MB has already said they're going to walk back some of the missing physical buttons; and I think you'll see more of that coming elsewhere. It isn't as if OEMs don't know that physical buttons are better for frequently used functions; they're very well aware of it. They just want to get away with as much as they can in the name of the almighty profit; so they employ a commonly used psychological manipulation: Take the vast majority away, then give just a little back. That way, people are grateful when they get some of what they lost back, because they feel they've won a small victory. Meanwhile, the corporate boy wonders get to keep the majority of what they took, and more than they would have dared otherwise.
Edit: One other thing about these newer systems, I think the screen arrangement in the 223 (and others with similar arrangements) is better than the long skinny screens BMW and most others are using. MB gets to spread out screen elements more, and it makes them easier to find at a glance. With less real estate on the long skinnies, they've no choice but to make them more information/shortcut dense, or simply make do with less. But that just means you have to go down into some amount of layers to get to what you want; that's never a win.
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Can't disagree; I can only say, let your voice be heard, and as much as possible, vote with your wallet.
Regardless of our opinions; walk into Porsche, Audi, MBW, MB, today, and you get what you get. MB has already said they're going to walk back some of the missing physical buttons; and I think you'll see more of that coming elsewhere. It isn't as if OEMs don't know that physical buttons are better for frequently used functions; they're very well aware of it. They just want to get away with as much as they can in the name of the almighty profit; so they employ a commonly used psychological manipulation: Take the vast majority away, then give just a little back. That way, people are grateful when they get some of what they lost back, because they feel they've won a small victory. Meanwhile, the corporate boy wonders get to keep the majority of what they took, and more than they would have dared otherwise.
Edit: One other thing about these newer systems, I think the screen arrangement in the 223 (and others with similar arrangements) is better than the long skinny screens BMW and most others are using. MB gets to spread out screen elements more, and it makes them easier to find at a glance. With less real estate on the long skinnies, they've no choice but to make them more information/shortcut dense, or simply make do with less. But that just means you have to go down into some amount of layers to get to what you want; that's never a win.
Regardless of our opinions; walk into Porsche, Audi, MBW, MB, today, and you get what you get. MB has already said they're going to walk back some of the missing physical buttons; and I think you'll see more of that coming elsewhere. It isn't as if OEMs don't know that physical buttons are better for frequently used functions; they're very well aware of it. They just want to get away with as much as they can in the name of the almighty profit; so they employ a commonly used psychological manipulation: Take the vast majority away, then give just a little back. That way, people are grateful when they get some of what they lost back, because they feel they've won a small victory. Meanwhile, the corporate boy wonders get to keep the majority of what they took, and more than they would have dared otherwise.
Edit: One other thing about these newer systems, I think the screen arrangement in the 223 (and others with similar arrangements) is better than the long skinny screens BMW and most others are using. MB gets to spread out screen elements more, and it makes them easier to find at a glance. With less real estate on the long skinnies, they've no choice but to make them more information/shortcut dense, or simply make do with less. But that just means you have to go down into some amount of layers to get to what you want; that's never a win.
I mean there are advantages of a vertical screen but those long skinny screens you mentioned started in the W213 E-Class or was it W222 S-Class, bmw just likes to do things backwards apparently and pulled an MB on that one and reused that design. At least MB's W213 and W222 it is way better integrated.
Edit: That said, it is true that most automakers are doing exactly that nowadays with those horizontal side by side screens, the aforementioned audi a5 to name one.
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I am not a fan of porsche as a whole (see my rant in another thread) that said, this is done right screen wise, the design looks good (or at least integrated) : https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2...Interior-1.jpg
I however fully disagree with the capacitive touch mess right below it.
I however fully disagree with the capacitive touch mess right below it.
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Lincoln had the first mostly capacitive control scheme in the MKX, and walked it back substantially at the refresh. I think we're just seeing OEMs jump on the profits above all else bandwagon in this regard. Even if they have to change it at the refresh, it's still found money, as long as they can end up a few dollars ahead. Corporate thinking nowadays, is that any lie is a good lie, as long as the money is there. They'll keep spewing the reasons (lies) about why they have gone to these controls in their ads and corporate PR, but there is only one real reason: Money.
My favorite part is when they walk this stuff back by blaming consumers for not being forward-thinking, incapable of adapting, or unable to grasp the benefits. It's the ultimate corporate insult to injury to blame customers for not liking being raked over the coals for any, and every, penny.
My favorite part is when they walk this stuff back by blaming consumers for not being forward-thinking, incapable of adapting, or unable to grasp the benefits. It's the ultimate corporate insult to injury to blame customers for not liking being raked over the coals for any, and every, penny.
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Lincoln had the first mostly capacitive control scheme in the MKX, and walked it back substantially at the refresh. I think we're just seeing OEMs jump on the profits above all else bandwagon in this regard. Even if they have to change it at the refresh, it's still found money, as long as they can end up a few dollars ahead. Corporate thinking nowadays, is that any lie is a good lie, as long as the money is there. They'll keep spewing the reasons (lies) about why they have gone to these controls in their ads and corporate PR, but there is only one real reason: Money.
My favorite part is when they walk this stuff back by blaming consumers for not being forward-thinking, incapable of adapting, or unable to grasp the benefits. It's the ultimate corporate insult to injury to blame customers for not liking being raked over the coals for any, and every, penny.
My favorite part is when they walk this stuff back by blaming consumers for not being forward-thinking, incapable of adapting, or unable to grasp the benefits. It's the ultimate corporate insult to injury to blame customers for not liking being raked over the coals for any, and every, penny.
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As I read it, the 223 refresh will be the first. When they announced it, I can recall an executive saying that we have been heard, loud and clear. Paraphrasing there from memory, I think you must know that, but just in case.
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I also heard the facelift is delayed till 2026? 2027?
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This comparison is getting a bit too old now. Let’s not forget that the W222 is mostly a car that was designed in 2012-2013. The technology is very old per today’s standards that I can’t even consider. Even the W223 isn’t great but works fine. The W222 tech isn’t great nowadays. The screen isn’t sharp, no wireless carplay, lane keep assist isn’t so great, the infotainment is slow. AWESOME car 4-10 years ago but not today.
Other than a nicer looking front end with the W222, the W223 is better in everything else including the MBUX touch screen which most people hate but you’ll get used to it very quickly. I have MBUX NTG 6 in my GLS and started to use touch screen more often though I think the touchpad would be awesome to have in the W223, but I think I’d still be okay in our GLS without the touchpad which I like. That’s the only downside. I’d definitely get a W223 now over the W222. Unless budget is the main motivation, there is just no reason to get a W222 now. It’s just better no matter how you look at it.
some interior plastics around is becoming the norm and you gotta accept that unless u get a BMW which seems to have less plastics in some areas in the cabin. It’s a shame that the exterior design isn’t as attractive but it’s still one of the nicest cars on the road. Behind the steering and as a driver, it’s flawless in my view.
Other than a nicer looking front end with the W222, the W223 is better in everything else including the MBUX touch screen which most people hate but you’ll get used to it very quickly. I have MBUX NTG 6 in my GLS and started to use touch screen more often though I think the touchpad would be awesome to have in the W223, but I think I’d still be okay in our GLS without the touchpad which I like. That’s the only downside. I’d definitely get a W223 now over the W222. Unless budget is the main motivation, there is just no reason to get a W222 now. It’s just better no matter how you look at it.
some interior plastics around is becoming the norm and you gotta accept that unless u get a BMW which seems to have less plastics in some areas in the cabin. It’s a shame that the exterior design isn’t as attractive but it’s still one of the nicest cars on the road. Behind the steering and as a driver, it’s flawless in my view.
The screens in the refresh 222 are still very sharp, CarPlay solves issues with infotainment, the lane keep etc is very similar to what is in my 223. The 222 is a great car, not worth going to a 21 223 that could have a lot of problems. A new 223? Yes.
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While I agree overall the 223 is a better car, the real issue is the very real reliability concerns in early models. That potential is not worth the benefits over a 2020 model when you’re already buying used. If you’re looking to upgrade to a new one like I did, then it’s a worthwhile update.
The screens in the refresh 222 are still very sharp, CarPlay solves issues with infotainment, the lane keep etc is very similar to what is in my 223. The 222 is a great car, not worth going to a 21 223 that could have a lot of problems. A new 223? Yes.
The screens in the refresh 222 are still very sharp, CarPlay solves issues with infotainment, the lane keep etc is very similar to what is in my 223. The 222 is a great car, not worth going to a 21 223 that could have a lot of problems. A new 223? Yes.
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From: Maryland
2024 S580
Just plug it in, the wireless adapters don't work great in my experience, but I never had an issue just plugging my phone in
