Oil leak from my new S63
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Oil leak from my new S63
I've only had my new S63 for 10 days.... and for the last 4 days it's been parked in the garage. The most I've driven it is the 250+ miles from Dallas to Austin when I bought it on 8/29
This evening I backed it out and noticed an oil puddle on the floor!
What gives? Has anyone had this issue on a car this new? Could it be as simple as something not being tightened, or God forbid - something more complex like a leaking gasket or pipe?
I'm really bummed out about this - can't imagine how this could happen especially if these cars are checked out as much as MB claims they are.
This evening I backed it out and noticed an oil puddle on the floor!
What gives? Has anyone had this issue on a car this new? Could it be as simple as something not being tightened, or God forbid - something more complex like a leaking gasket or pipe?
I'm really bummed out about this - can't imagine how this could happen especially if these cars are checked out as much as MB claims they are.
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Wow
You must be real bummed. You were gleaming with joy the other day when you picked it up and now an oil leak!? That is ridiculous. I don't own a w221 AMG but that doesn't sound too good. Good luck with that
You must be real bummed. You were gleaming with joy the other day when you picked it up and now an oil leak!? That is ridiculous. I don't own a w221 AMG but that doesn't sound too good. Good luck with that
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Tell me about it!
I'm actually quite upset because it's clear that the dealership (Ewing) didn't really check the car out!
Now I have to waste a whole day taking it to the dealship and getting it checked out and then hope that they don't tell me that it's something major and will need to be in the shop for days!
I'm actually quite upset because it's clear that the dealership (Ewing) didn't really check the car out!
Now I have to waste a whole day taking it to the dealship and getting it checked out and then hope that they don't tell me that it's something major and will need to be in the shop for days!
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I can't speak for the S63's, but a buddy of mine had the exact same problem with his C63 after about 700 miles. It ended up being a defect in the casting for the timing chain cover.....they literally had to pull the entire engine to replace it. Hope this isn't you problem.
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I can't speak for the S63's, but a buddy of mine had the exact same problem with his C63 after about 700 miles. It ended up being a defect in the casting for the timing chain cover.....they literally had to pull the entire engine to replace it. Hope this isn't you problem.
Mind you, these are AMG built cars......I am loss for words
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I can't speak for the S63's, but a buddy of mine had the exact same problem with his C63 after about 700 miles. It ended up being a defect in the casting for the timing chain cover.....they literally had to pull the entire engine to replace it. Hope this isn't you problem.
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Okay - just got back from the dealership....
BAD NEWS
I do indeed have an oil leak! And a bad one at that. As was explained by the service manager - the "front engine cover plate is leaking oil" !! Yup - on a $136,000 car that's 10 days old! Thanks Mercedes - for doing such a wonderful job. Great quality control - I'm sure the guys at Lexus are sweating bullets
To cut a long story short - the nit wits at Ewing say that they "prepped the car" and ran it through a "rigorous check point" and that there were no issues. Of course this is the "sales sleaze ball manager" telling me this and I'm sure he knows a lot about "front engine cover plates". So then I ask uummm .... aaa....how come I'm leaking oil? He tells me "anything can happen" - "maybe on the 200 mile drive back to Austin something got messed up". I'm like, okaaaaay........ so is driving an S63 for 200+ miles a no no? Of course, by now he's gagging with his foot firmly in his mouth, so he doesn't quite know how to answer that question. I then say okay - MB-Austin is on top of it and I'll be escalating this up the chain.
MB Austin then tells me that the part (a gasket like seal) might have to be ordered from Germany and will take 3-4 weeks to get here.
10 mins. ago MB-Austin calls me and tells me that they've "pulled some strings" and will have the part in by Wed. of next week.... and as a goodwill gesture will keep my car indoors this weekend so that it's not affected by Ike (the Hurricane, that is)
So, in the meantime I'm stuck driving around in a brand new C350... and wondering just what other surprises will crop up. This has to suck big time.
BAD NEWS
I do indeed have an oil leak! And a bad one at that. As was explained by the service manager - the "front engine cover plate is leaking oil" !! Yup - on a $136,000 car that's 10 days old! Thanks Mercedes - for doing such a wonderful job. Great quality control - I'm sure the guys at Lexus are sweating bullets
To cut a long story short - the nit wits at Ewing say that they "prepped the car" and ran it through a "rigorous check point" and that there were no issues. Of course this is the "sales sleaze ball manager" telling me this and I'm sure he knows a lot about "front engine cover plates"
. So then I ask uummm .... aaa....how come I'm leaking oil? He tells me "anything can happen" - "maybe on the 200 mile drive back to Austin something got messed up". I'm like, okaaaaay........ so is driving an S63 for 200+ miles a no no? Of course, by now he's gagging with his foot firmly in his mouth, so he doesn't quite know how to answer that question. I then say okay - MB-Austin is on top of it and I'll be escalating this up the chain. MB Austin then tells me that the part (a gasket like seal) might have to be ordered from Germany and will take 3-4 weeks to get here.
10 mins. ago MB-Austin calls me and tells me that they've "pulled some strings" and will have the part in by Wed. of next week.... and as a goodwill gesture will keep my car indoors this weekend so that it's not affected by Ike (the Hurricane, that is)
So, in the meantime I'm stuck driving around in a brand new C350... and wondering just what other surprises will crop up. This has to suck big time.
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Okay - just got back from the dealership....
BAD NEWS
I do indeed have an oil leak! And a bad one at that. As was explained by the service manager - the "front engine cover plate is leaking oil" !! Yup - on a $136,000 car that's 10 days old! Thanks Mercedes - for doing such a wonderful job. Great quality control - I'm sure the guys at Lexus are sweating bullets
To cut a long story short - the nit wits at Ewing say that they "prepped the car" and ran it through a "rigorous check point" and that there were no issues. Of course this is the "sales sleaze ball manager" telling me this and I'm sure he knows a lot about "front engine cover plates". So then I ask uummm .... aaa....how come I'm leaking oil? He tells me "anything can happen" - "maybe on the 200 mile drive back to Austin something got messed up". I'm like, okaaaaay........ so is driving an S63 for 200+ miles a no no? Of course, by now he's gagging with his foot firmly in his mouth, so he doesn't quite know how to answer that question. I then say okay - MB-Austin is on top of it and I'll be escalating this up the chain.
MB Austin then tells me that the part (a gasket like seal) might have to be ordered from Germany and will take 3-4 weeks to get here.
10 mins. ago MB-Austin calls me and tells me that they've "pulled some strings" and will have the part in by Wed. of next week.... and as a goodwill gesture will keep my car indoors this weekend so that it's not affected by Ike (the Hurricane, that is)
So, in the meantime I'm stuck driving around in a brand new C350... and wondering just what other surprises will crop up. This has to suck big time.
BAD NEWS
I do indeed have an oil leak! And a bad one at that. As was explained by the service manager - the "front engine cover plate is leaking oil" !! Yup - on a $136,000 car that's 10 days old! Thanks Mercedes - for doing such a wonderful job. Great quality control - I'm sure the guys at Lexus are sweating bullets
To cut a long story short - the nit wits at Ewing say that they "prepped the car" and ran it through a "rigorous check point" and that there were no issues. Of course this is the "sales sleaze ball manager" telling me this and I'm sure he knows a lot about "front engine cover plates"
. So then I ask uummm .... aaa....how come I'm leaking oil? He tells me "anything can happen" - "maybe on the 200 mile drive back to Austin something got messed up". I'm like, okaaaaay........ so is driving an S63 for 200+ miles a no no? Of course, by now he's gagging with his foot firmly in his mouth, so he doesn't quite know how to answer that question. I then say okay - MB-Austin is on top of it and I'll be escalating this up the chain. MB Austin then tells me that the part (a gasket like seal) might have to be ordered from Germany and will take 3-4 weeks to get here.
10 mins. ago MB-Austin calls me and tells me that they've "pulled some strings" and will have the part in by Wed. of next week.... and as a goodwill gesture will keep my car indoors this weekend so that it's not affected by Ike (the Hurricane, that is)
So, in the meantime I'm stuck driving around in a brand new C350... and wondering just what other surprises will crop up. This has to suck big time.
Most problems pop up in the first couple thousand miles. Don't worry, sometimes things don't seal right, sit right, etc... And Lexus isn't invincible, they have a service shop just like everyone else.
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Of course things can go wrong with ANY car, but when you just drop $136,000 on an "AMG" and it's only 10 days old, do you think I should expect a little better quality then a massive oil leak? What's making it worse is the absolute sleaze ball weasely attitude of the dealership (Ewing) - like it's no biggie and that it's somehow okay.
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I can't in my wildest dreams imagine something like this happening with an LS. Seriously. I've owned Lexus's - my wife owns a GX470 - top notch.
Of course things can go wrong with ANY car, but when you just drop $136,000 on an "AMG" and it's only 10 days old, do you think I should expect a little better quality then a massive oil leak? What's making it worse is the absolute sleaze ball weasely attitude of the dealership (Ewing) - like it's no biggie and that it's somehow okay.
Of course things can go wrong with ANY car, but when you just drop $136,000 on an "AMG" and it's only 10 days old, do you think I should expect a little better quality then a massive oil leak? What's making it worse is the absolute sleaze ball weasely attitude of the dealership (Ewing) - like it's no biggie and that it's somehow okay.
Not that your situation doesn't suck, and I am sorry you are going through it.
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update:
I just got back from the dealership - the service mgr. was nice enough to offer to take me back to the shop floor and show me what was under the hood with the faulty part. I'll try to explain as best as I can (wish I had my camera with me)
It's the weirdest/strangest thing I've ever seen: There's this smallish grey cover that sits right behind the oil dip stick and based on what the ST/mechanic described - it's the motor/cylinder head cover on the front left side of the engine (BTW there are 2 of these, 1 on the left 1 on the right). There's a tiny microscopic crack/flaw in that cover where the oil is leaking out of!! We could not see the crack with a naked eye but we did see the oil leak/smudge (of course it wasn't actually flowing out since the car has been sitting since yesterday). The mechanic who's actually working on the car told me that when the car heats up the oil would start to squirt/spray out. According to him the crack is probably on the inside of that cover.
They said they've never seen anything like it before and that's why the part needs to be ordered from Germany.
I just got back from the dealership - the service mgr. was nice enough to offer to take me back to the shop floor and show me what was under the hood with the faulty part. I'll try to explain as best as I can (wish I had my camera with me)
It's the weirdest/strangest thing I've ever seen: There's this smallish grey cover that sits right behind the oil dip stick and based on what the ST/mechanic described - it's the motor/cylinder head cover on the front left side of the engine (BTW there are 2 of these, 1 on the left 1 on the right). There's a tiny microscopic crack/flaw in that cover where the oil is leaking out of!! We could not see the crack with a naked eye but we did see the oil leak/smudge (of course it wasn't actually flowing out since the car has been sitting since yesterday). The mechanic who's actually working on the car told me that when the car heats up the oil would start to squirt/spray out. According to him the crack is probably on the inside of that cover.
They said they've never seen anything like it before and that's why the part needs to be ordered from Germany.
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I can't in my wildest dreams imagine something like this happening with an LS. Seriously. I've owned Lexus's - my wife owns a GX470 - top notch.
Of course things can go wrong with ANY car, but when you just drop $136,000 on an "AMG" and it's only 10 days old, do you think I should expect a little better quality then a massive oil leak? What's making it worse is the absolute sleaze ball weasely attitude of the dealership (Ewing) - like it's no biggie and that it's somehow okay.
Of course things can go wrong with ANY car, but when you just drop $136,000 on an "AMG" and it's only 10 days old, do you think I should expect a little better quality then a massive oil leak? What's making it worse is the absolute sleaze ball weasely attitude of the dealership (Ewing) - like it's no biggie and that it's somehow okay.
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Not only do you have an oil leak, but keep in mind that they most likely have to pull the motor out of your brand new ride to fix it. My buddy went to the top management of AMG in Germany with his complaint (he's owned 6 AMG cars and owns a high end performance shop) and was basically given the cold shoulder. They did nothing for him.....except yank the motor and fix it. He tried to get them to simply "exchange" his car for another one- or give him a refund. They would do neither.
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update:
I just got back from the dealership - the service mgr. was nice enough to offer to take me back to the shop floor and show me what was under the hood with the faulty part. I'll try to explain as best as I can (wish I had my camera with me)
It's the weirdest/strangest thing I've ever seen: There's this smallish grey cover that sits right behind the oil dip stick and based on what the ST/mechanic described - it's the motor/cylinder head cover on the front left side of the engine (BTW there are 2 of these, 1 on the left 1 on the right). There's a tiny microscopic crack/flaw in that cover where the oil is leaking out of!! We could not see the crack with a naked eye but we did see the oil leak/smudge (of course it wasn't actually flowing out since the car has been sitting since yesterday). The mechanic who's actually working on the car told me that when the car heats up the oil would start to squirt/spray out. According to him the crack is probably on the inside of that cover.
They said they've never seen anything like it before and that's why the part needs to be ordered from Germany.
I just got back from the dealership - the service mgr. was nice enough to offer to take me back to the shop floor and show me what was under the hood with the faulty part. I'll try to explain as best as I can (wish I had my camera with me)
It's the weirdest/strangest thing I've ever seen: There's this smallish grey cover that sits right behind the oil dip stick and based on what the ST/mechanic described - it's the motor/cylinder head cover on the front left side of the engine (BTW there are 2 of these, 1 on the left 1 on the right). There's a tiny microscopic crack/flaw in that cover where the oil is leaking out of!! We could not see the crack with a naked eye but we did see the oil leak/smudge (of course it wasn't actually flowing out since the car has been sitting since yesterday). The mechanic who's actually working on the car told me that when the car heats up the oil would start to squirt/spray out. According to him the crack is probably on the inside of that cover.
They said they've never seen anything like it before and that's why the part needs to be ordered from Germany.
According to AMG advertising, each engine is hand built tested and signed by the builder. I find it hard to believe that this was missed during the initial dyno run in. Kind of makes you want to send a "Eat siht and die"
letter to the bsatard that built your engine.
You just spent $136K for this....somebody at MBUSA or AMG would be giving me some serious comp for this fiasco.
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This still sounds like the same problem as mentioned in post 4 of this thread. "Timing case cover" and "cover on the front of the engine" sound pretty similar to me. If there was a bad batch, with a casting flaw that didn't open until a certain amount of engine vibration worked on it or a few hot/cold cycles stressed it, this is what you would expect -- an oil leak after a few hundred miles.
It feels like quite a few dealers will be saying "we've never seen anything like this" before long.
It feels like quite a few dealers will be saying "we've never seen anything like this" before long.
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Sounds like a crack in the valve cover. This must be a cast piece as opposed to a stamping. This piece must have been dropped or otherwise damaged before the engine was assembled.
According to AMG advertising, each engine is hand built tested and signed by the builder. I find it hard to believe that this was missed during the initial dyno run in. Kind of makes you want to send a "Eat siht and die"
letter to the bsatard that built your engine.
You just spent $136K for this....somebody at MBUSA or AMG would be giving me some serious comp for this fiasco.
According to AMG advertising, each engine is hand built tested and signed by the builder. I find it hard to believe that this was missed during the initial dyno run in. Kind of makes you want to send a "Eat siht and die"
letter to the bsatard that built your engine.
You just spent $136K for this....somebody at MBUSA or AMG would be giving me some serious comp for this fiasco.
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These engines are not run in on a dyno. Only the V12 and SLR engines are broken in at AMG. All others get electrically spun to check for oil pressure and leaks. Again, if there is a casting flaw that takes some heat or vibration to begin leaking, this kind of test won't find it.
