From JUST Billet wheel upgrades (Unless Marcin has recently changed impeller wheel design/size drastically for the better) Plenty of others have done these mods it's closer to 50-55 rwp tops.. And the peak gains of that new hp will mostly be on the top end.

FYI look at EC's Billet modified turbs w/further widening done on the air inlet side of turbs, they added Billet turbs, HE/ecu/tcu on a cl600 it makes 550-555 rwhp Post mods described + dyno tune.. Considering a ecu tune only cl600 makes (depending on dyno used anywhere from 495-520 rwp on ECU only.. Sadly the Stork didn't deliver any 80+ rear wheel unicorn power after adding Billet turbo mods sorry..

I asked EC to seperate the gains made from ecu/tcu HE instead of lumping gains altogether but they just ignored the requests.. Plus keep in mind any solid ecu tune will add up to 100 whp gains UNDER the curve at few spots in rpm band.. So you can see how skewed EC's dyno is here, they opted to lump it all together to make their new billet turb mods look super impressive, when in reality gains are 50-55 whp period.

I used to over estimate and add up every co's projected hp/tq gains for EACH mod (10 years ago) like you're doing now, you will be severely disapointed when you don't come anywhere close to 700+ rwp on a cl600 w/your planned modifications. Mods don't just keep adding up on top of eachother, there's a ton of give & take adding boost, removing air restriction thru hi flo exhst mods etc etc.. You will learn the hp doesn't just keep going UP w/every new mod.. And more often than not ever make manufacturers claims..

Excluding Speedriven, Marcin is a straight shooter. You must've missunderstood him, maybe you confused your POTENTIAL gains by adding Billet turbs, ms109 dyno tune & or Meth + larger INJ's & proper CAI to fetch 80+ rwp..

 

I think you are mixing your critiques... I have a 65 and not the 600, which was what Kamil was referring to. I am not specifically looking for a hp number. I am looking for 10's as I originally stated. That is on ecu/tcu tune, billets, CAI, catless downpipes, top mounts, supplemental cooling mods, Meth, and LSD. Someone asked what I was looking for at the wheels, and I said "700" as a guestimate based on displacement and mods listed. If I fall short and am at 675 Rwhp, I will not give two poops. If I cannot run 10's however, I will be disappointed. I think Kamil is the one stating 80rwhp on billets. I am assuming a number close to that at the crank. We shall see, dynos shall be posted.

 

No, you're mixing up who I'm talking to.. I was addressing Kamil, if you see I quoted his post in my retort and was addressing him solely, I also addressed the cl600 he is modding, no where did I say S65
Your 65 should most def ma\ke 690-700+ w/your mod plan.. 65's w/speedriven IC etc pkg on 100+ oct tune make between 650-690 depending on dyno iat's of course.. I believe in good negative DA w/1.6x' 10's are in your grasp w/out Billet whls..

 

Agreed Sean,

The OEM CL600 turbos are different right off the bet than the CL65 turbos, this is why I believe I should gain a bit more than a 65. If I simply take my 600 turbos off and slap on stock 65 turbos my car will automatically gain HP. The housing on these turbos is the same as was already brought up in a few different threads, if I do the upgraded billets I should gain more than the 65 since I was loosing power vs the 65 from the get go. (this does not mean I will make more HP and TQ at the end this just means that to the 600 the billets will be like getting the 65 turbos and some more) I will check on this with Marcin, I will also be running MS109 and CL65 Injectors as well. I will dyno the car in the next couple weeks and than dyno again once in June the injectors and Turbos go in. This will give me an exact idea of what I got out of the turbos. I will also dyno both times with same fuel and try to hit around same weather temps.

 

Zax I plan on running 10s without the billets and LSD you are way deeper in to the 10s with your mods. I will be hitting the track next week. Car should be finished this week Friday once I get it all finished up over weekend with other few mods I will run it at the track full weight. After that seats and other weight reduction will be done

your car is at the shop with no motor in it next time Ill take a pic

 

change the mounts while the engine is out

 

My MAIN point wasn't about comparing 65 to 600 gains to be had whatsoever, I was & am only addressing the fact you thought/said Billet turbo upgrades will net 80+ rwp on a CL 600.. That just isn't possible by only upgrading your cl 600 w/billet impeller wheels alone..

 

x2-good lookin out.

Zax, as long as it goes 10's and traps 130 it's a winner...I think you'll get it like Sean said good 60ft and track

 

Did those last time the motor was out

 

Got it. 10's may be in the grasp without billet wheels for someone who can drive. I, on the other hand, may need a margin for error. My best time on street tires (Michelin PSS) is an 11.56 with a Renntech tune only. I figured .2-.3 secs for LSD, .1 sec for tcu tune, .4-.5 secs for billets, top mounts, intakes, so my real goal is a 10.80 et. We shall see if I can figure out the launch, where all of that resides. I just added meth and an additional HE to keep me cool through the quarter and if I decide to go back to Loring for a 200 mph run. Tires scare me at that speed on a 4950 lb car, however.

 

AMG Wrinkle grey intercoolers

 

Trans Built

 

Have to look into that sooner or later will need it and if the Anarchy kit goes on end of season

 

@ the 3 month mark, close to completion?

 

Saw the car yesterday seems very close to being done

 

Fingers crossed on next week to the dyno. Talked to Marcin today and apparently while installing the locking diff a bearing was damaged, new one on order from MB should be there tomorrow or Thursday and then it is just final assembly and fabrication of CAI which I requested to be ceramic coated. Also waiting on wheel rebuild and final interface screen with the zietronic. But soon, soon. Loving the 09 Cayenne GTS with manual transmission I picked up in the meantime

 

Whtat's a good # for them
been trying for days and nobody answers?

 

PM me maybe I can help

 

I just call the number on their website at 9am or 4:30pm Chicago time. If they aren't off under a car they answer it. They are slammed right now though.

 

LOL
i dialed more than 50 times(according to my iPhone) over the past 2 days 847 485-8126

thx

 

Whoa! that is a bummer. Marcin, Konrad...most of the mechanic shops I know around here find a 10 or 12 dollar an hour helper dude just to answer the phone and keep the techs on the cars, the 15 minutes it takes you to field a phone call actually might derail you..?Also that dude or dude-ess can chase down parts and really leverage your time. Plus your customer service would go through the roof and you'd make more money... Kamil, can you find them someone?

Alright, I'll sweeten the pot...I'll pay the first weeks salary just for you to try it out, if it pays for itself you owe me one, if not, well, fire him/her!

 

Getting there. Thanks Kamil for the pic... I guess they are waiting on the intake tubes back from ceramic coating...

 

Done! On its way home!

I didn't make quite the power I wanted, 679.64 on the dyno jet, 849 ft/lbs, both of course at the wheel. That was not a glory pull, it was after a series of successive pulls and I am not running a trunk tank so the car was a bit hot. Also just running 4 month old 93 octane. I may feed the car some 100 octane and try a fresh run when I get the beast home...but i'll probably get used to the new power for a bit and then go to the track to see if I get my 10's! Thanks to Marcin and Konrad for all of the work and custom fabbing my intakes, Trans, downpipes, etc!

 

Awesome! Let me know when you take it to the track I would like to see it.

 

Congrats on the completion, don't get caught up in numbers, hopefully it exceeds your expectations. When is it due back in your hands? Enjoy it and don't let it get away from you with the extra power and the LSD.