Finally did it
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Finally did it
Deposit has been given for a S63 Coupe... there was a single MY16 build slot left, once that is filled my salesman said he'll grab me the first MY17 slot.
There is no MY17 order guide yet but he was not aware of any significant changes, other than of course the availability of the cabriolet. I'll have the opportunity to change options but this is what I've selected for now:
S63C4
designo Magno Cashmere white paint
designo Crystal Grey / Black Exclusive Nappa Leather
997 - Driver Assistance Package
773 - Carbon Fiber Exterior Package
5U5 - Swarovski Crystal Headlamps
610 - Night View Assist Plus
61U - Black DINAMICA Headliner
648 - 20" AMG 10-Spoke Forged Wheels (Black)
B07 - AMG Carbon Ceramic Braking System
H16 - designo Black Piano Lacquer Flowing Lines Trim
P34 - Exclusive Nappa Control Code
U24 - AMG Exclusive Floormats
I was planning on the Burmester high-end audio system but that was the one thing he tried to talk me out of, saying the standard audio was superb and the high-end really only mattered for surround sound programs. It is an expensive option but I'm an audiophile so still may opt for it; I definitely would if it had the awesome pop out rotating tweeters of the sedan model!
Total MSRP as configured, including the delivery charge, was $197,035, and target is to get about ~ 7% off that.
I don't anticipate wanting or needing much aftermarket stuff, other than maybe an ECU tune depending on results of a dyno test. It seems like a lot of the M157 biturbos measure significantly beyond spec, in which case the risk/benefit ratio of an ECU tune favors leaving things alone.
There is no MY17 order guide yet but he was not aware of any significant changes, other than of course the availability of the cabriolet. I'll have the opportunity to change options but this is what I've selected for now:
S63C4
designo Magno Cashmere white paint
designo Crystal Grey / Black Exclusive Nappa Leather
997 - Driver Assistance Package
773 - Carbon Fiber Exterior Package
5U5 - Swarovski Crystal Headlamps
610 - Night View Assist Plus
61U - Black DINAMICA Headliner
648 - 20" AMG 10-Spoke Forged Wheels (Black)
B07 - AMG Carbon Ceramic Braking System
H16 - designo Black Piano Lacquer Flowing Lines Trim
P34 - Exclusive Nappa Control Code
U24 - AMG Exclusive Floormats
I was planning on the Burmester high-end audio system but that was the one thing he tried to talk me out of, saying the standard audio was superb and the high-end really only mattered for surround sound programs. It is an expensive option but I'm an audiophile so still may opt for it; I definitely would if it had the awesome pop out rotating tweeters of the sedan model!
Total MSRP as configured, including the delivery charge, was $197,035, and target is to get about ~ 7% off that.
I don't anticipate wanting or needing much aftermarket stuff, other than maybe an ECU tune depending on results of a dyno test. It seems like a lot of the M157 biturbos measure significantly beyond spec, in which case the risk/benefit ratio of an ECU tune favors leaving things alone.
Last edited by Heisenberg; Feb 11, 2016 at 02:12 PM.
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D.B. - my sales guy said that 5U5 might be available w/o 610 for MY17 but wasn't sure yet. I was only getting NVA for the Swarovski headlamps; I never really understand what one thing would have to do with another but you know how it is with Mercedes options...
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I can only assume that neither the 9sp MCT nor the DCT can reliably handle the torque of the M157 biturbo. Seems like going forward, AMG is migrating at least their lighter V8 vehicles (C63 and E63, presumably the next CLS63 whenever that comes) to the M178 which mates well with the DCT.
On the other hand, I think the MY17 S550 Coupe and Cabriolet will come with the 9sp MCT.
The 7sp MCT is a weak spot in these cars, but guess one has to accept it for what it is or opt for something with much lower torque. I think the AMG S class at nearly 2.5 tons needs the torque, too.
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Enjoy the car its gonna be a looker for sure... Ive had 5 MCT's in my life and after tuning them I noticed a great improvement in up shifting and that dreaded down shift thud plus better throttle response. I'm sure the power and tq gains also deflated some of the MCT negative attributes.
I personally the think outside of the DCT- the ZF8 tranny would have been the best tq converting option out there. (I know the MCT doesn't have that converter)
I personally the think outside of the DCT- the ZF8 tranny would have been the best tq converting option out there. (I know the MCT doesn't have that converter)
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[QUOTE=Vic55;6717192]Enjoy the car its gonna be a looker for sure... Ive had 5 MCT's in my life and after tuning them I noticed a great improvement in up shifting and that dreaded down shift thud plus better throttle response.
Please shed more light on what you mean by tuning ?
Please shed more light on what you mean by tuning ?
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DME (aka ecu) tuning of the control unit to adjust mapping for more power-- The M157 has readily available tunes to bump up the hp and tq levels (My SL63 was the same hp/tq rating as the S63 Coupe). But most, if not all tuners, also remap the throttle response and can even optimize the shifting on the MCT. My tuner was OE Tuning (sponsor here)... he tuned all my MCT's (E63 n/a, C63 BS, CLS63TT, E63 Wagon TT, SL63TT). The "sluggishness" or mush pedal was removed and the car just felt more like it should and of course the gains in hp and tq in the sweet spot rpm's was intense.
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Vic
I did not know what to expect for an answer
But I like the answer you provided
I am already dialed into this if the S63 coupe
presents itself
I thought you may be referencing the boys
in Irvine doing what they do with their new
transmission disk packs
Thank-You
D.B.
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Vic
I did not know what to expect for an answer
But I like the answer you provided
I am already dialed into this if the S63 coupe
presents itself
I thought you may be referencing the boys
in Irvine doing what they do with their new
transmission disk packs
Thank-You
D.B.
`
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Vic
I did not know what to expect for an answer
But I like the answer you provided
I am already dialed into this if the S63 coupe
presents itself
I thought you may be referencing the boys
in Irvine doing what they do with their new
transmission disk packs
Thank-You
D.B.
`
Vic
I did not know what to expect for an answer
But I like the answer you provided
I am already dialed into this if the S63 coupe
presents itself
I thought you may be referencing the boys
in Irvine doing what they do with their new
transmission disk packs
Thank-You
D.B.
`
Just don't drive the AMG GTS - that transmission will spoil you vs the MCT. I took an S63 Coupe out for a spin on Friday and boy its a different world when I hit the gas (in regards to transmission response/feel/speed of shifts).
I actually was thinking about the S63C but I might circle back towards a BMW Gran Coupe M6. Maybe.
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My friend just bought a C63S with (I think) the same engine and tranny as the AMG GTS. It's impressive. Too bad they have not developed a DCT that can handle the torque of the larger displacement V8 biturbos. I know the smaller engine is going into the 2017 E63 and presumably the CLS63 to follow, presumably in MY18. I have not heard about a new engine/transmission for the S63, guess the weight of the car demands the larger displacement engine with higher torque.
I do wonder how much headroom there is for enhacing the M178 before it will cause premature failure of the transmission ? I know the 7sp MCT can handle ~ 1000NM torque.
I do wonder how much headroom there is for enhacing the M178 before it will cause premature failure of the transmission ? I know the 7sp MCT can handle ~ 1000NM torque.
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My friend just bought a C63S with (I think) the same engine and tranny as the AMG GTS. It's impressive. Too bad they have not developed a DCT that can handle the torque of the larger displacement V8 biturbos. I know the smaller engine is going into the 2017 E63 and presumably the CLS63 to follow, presumably in MY18. I have not heard about a new engine/transmission for the S63, guess the weight of the car demands the larger displacement engine with higher torque.
I do wonder how much headroom there is for enhacing the M178 before it will cause premature failure of the transmission ? I know the 7sp MCT can handle ~ 1000NM torque.
I do wonder how much headroom there is for enhacing the M178 before it will cause premature failure of the transmission ? I know the 7sp MCT can handle ~ 1000NM torque.
I guess after driving the S63C this past week was a glaring reminder.
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My contact sent me this link
The last paragraph regarding
the transmission
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...lass-spy-shots
He said that it is his understanding
that the MY17 S63 Coupe will start
production with the current transmission
but will switch to the 9 speed at some point
Is this a question that could be answered
in the Private Lounge
Thank-You
D.B.
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My contact sent me this link
The last paragraph regarding
the transmission
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...lass-spy-shots
He said that it is his understanding
that the MY17 S63 Coupe will start
production with the current transmission
but will switch to the 9 speed at some point
Is this a question that could be answered
in the Private Lounge
Thank-You
D.B.
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My contact sent me this link
The last paragraph regarding
the transmission
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...lass-spy-shots
He said that it is his understanding
that the MY17 S63 Coupe will start
production with the current transmission
but will switch to the 9 speed at some point
Is this a question that could be answered
in the Private Lounge
Thank-You
D.B.
`
My contact sent me this link
The last paragraph regarding
the transmission
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...lass-spy-shots
He said that it is his understanding
that the MY17 S63 Coupe will start
production with the current transmission
but will switch to the 9 speed at some point
Is this a question that could be answered
in the Private Lounge
Thank-You
D.B.
`
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According to this release from MB
https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/futur...lass_Cabriolet
If the MY17 S Class Cabrio has the
9 speed transmission - I am guessing
that the coupe will also be available
with the 9 speed from day 1
If this is true - Outstanding
Thank-You
D.B.
`
According to this release from MB
https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/futur...lass_Cabriolet
If the MY17 S Class Cabrio has the
9 speed transmission - I am guessing
that the coupe will also be available
with the 9 speed from day 1
If this is true - Outstanding
Thank-You
D.B.
`
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According to this release from MB
https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/futur...lass_Cabriolet
If the MY17 S Class Cabrio has the
9 speed transmission - I am guessing
that the coupe will also be available
with the 9 speed from day 1
If this is true - Outstanding
Thank-You
D.B.
`
According to this release from MB
https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/futur...lass_Cabriolet
If the MY17 S Class Cabrio has the
9 speed transmission - I am guessing
that the coupe will also be available
with the 9 speed from day 1
If this is true - Outstanding
Thank-You
D.B.
`
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Based on what I have read, the 9G-Tronic will not be offered with the MY17 AMG S class, either for the Coupe or Cabriolet. I believe it is rated up to 1000Nm torque so theoretically it could happen, although there is probably a reason it has not been paired with a fully powered (577HP/664TQ) M157 yet. Maybe it will find its way into the AMG S class if and when they migrate to the 4L M177 ? I'm sure that's a great engine but on paper it would seem the 5.5L M157 would be a far better match to the 4700+ lb AMG S Class.
I'm still waiting for a MY17 build slot to open, hopefully not too much longer.
It will be really disappointing if M-B doesn't upgrade the MY17 S class models to newer COMAND software and improved 1920x720 dash displays coming with the new E class, not to mention all the other new tech. Alas it probably won't arrive until MY18 for sedans and possibly MY19 for the coupes/cabriolets. Prelim info on the cabriolet is that it adds nothing to the existing model except the drop top and its associated new features. But the MY17 cab and coupe still could arrive with some unexpected changes. As soon as I find out any more info about the MY17 models, I will update.
I'm still waiting for a MY17 build slot to open, hopefully not too much longer.
It will be really disappointing if M-B doesn't upgrade the MY17 S class models to newer COMAND software and improved 1920x720 dash displays coming with the new E class, not to mention all the other new tech. Alas it probably won't arrive until MY18 for sedans and possibly MY19 for the coupes/cabriolets. Prelim info on the cabriolet is that it adds nothing to the existing model except the drop top and its associated new features. But the MY17 cab and coupe still could arrive with some unexpected changes. As soon as I find out any more info about the MY17 models, I will update.
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Well three months later, I'm still in a holding pattern waiting for the MY17 C217 order banks to open. Still planning on the same options but will add the High End stereo too. Comes to $203k.
Since there are no substantive changes to the S63 for MY17 (other than a new porcelain and deep sea blue interior combo, airscarf with warmth & comfort package which I wasn't getting, and exterior night styling package) I'm watching the pre-owned markets for MY15/16 S63 and S65 coupes. I've seen S63 as low as $130k and S65 as low as $170k.
During this wait, I am starting to get more interested in a Tesla Model S; it's the only other vehicle I'm actually considering, pondered a C63S for a day before deciding against it. The MS exterior is not nearly attractive as the C217 but it is one of the better looking four door sedans out there. I don't care for the interior at all but the P90DL is just unbelievablely fast - gave me big time tunnel vision. And between the $7500 tax credit, nearly free registration here in AZ (S63 will be nearly $10k over three years) and 1.49% financing they are offering, it is tempting. Particularly when I look at the awful MBF lease deals and financing. There is currently an $8k cash back incentive with MBF finance, but it's really just a partial refund of excessive interest as their rate is 3.99%; Chase will finance at 2.2%. Based on my use as a daily driver and my driving habits, about 8k miles per year with rare long trips covered by supercharger stations (mainly to Southern California and Las Vegas) , it would be ideal. If I could just get over that bare interior with giant iPad always in your face...
Since there are no substantive changes to the S63 for MY17 (other than a new porcelain and deep sea blue interior combo, airscarf with warmth & comfort package which I wasn't getting, and exterior night styling package) I'm watching the pre-owned markets for MY15/16 S63 and S65 coupes. I've seen S63 as low as $130k and S65 as low as $170k.
During this wait, I am starting to get more interested in a Tesla Model S; it's the only other vehicle I'm actually considering, pondered a C63S for a day before deciding against it. The MS exterior is not nearly attractive as the C217 but it is one of the better looking four door sedans out there. I don't care for the interior at all but the P90DL is just unbelievablely fast - gave me big time tunnel vision. And between the $7500 tax credit, nearly free registration here in AZ (S63 will be nearly $10k over three years) and 1.49% financing they are offering, it is tempting. Particularly when I look at the awful MBF lease deals and financing. There is currently an $8k cash back incentive with MBF finance, but it's really just a partial refund of excessive interest as their rate is 3.99%; Chase will finance at 2.2%. Based on my use as a daily driver and my driving habits, about 8k miles per year with rare long trips covered by supercharger stations (mainly to Southern California and Las Vegas) , it would be ideal. If I could just get over that bare interior with giant iPad always in your face...
