SUPERCHARGED m156, 63 amg !!!!
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R&D combined with sales volume give one a good indicator of consumer pricing. These MB tax comments are so stupid....just another way for someone to b!tch about owning something expensive and not wanting to pony up. Perhaps you should get a mustang if all you wanna do is go as fast as possible for as cheap as possible.
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R&D combined with sales volume give one a good indicator of consumer pricing. These MB tax comments are so stupid....just another way for someone to b!tch about owning something expensive and not wanting to pony up. Perhaps you should get a mustang if all you wanna do is go as fast as possible for as cheap as possible.
What is available for the 55 motor that I don't have? I've done my own R&D and actually helped the community out minus the benz tax. Keep your comments to yourself thanks.
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I love Blowers, Nothing beats them.
I like the roar of my 63 motor, do not get me wrong ( in my ML) but the whining of a Blower on top of a V8 is real music. That thing is sick.
I like the roar of my 63 motor, do not get me wrong ( in my ML) but the whining of a Blower on top of a V8 is real music. That thing is sick.
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So now your going to take credit for the R&D for a Kleemann blower?? Or headers or the tune on your hooptie - since when did you start writing code ??
And because I have chosen to leave my car somewhat stock I can't comment here ?? Hey, you're the one whining about the "MB tax" and what one has to do to get around it...it's a public forum...if you don't want other members to comment about what you say then quit posting.And you never answered me (for the second time) about my bet to run our cars - perhaps you should pay more attention to your sig line and and quit running your mouth if you can't back it up.
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So now your going to take credit for the R&D for a Kleemann blower?? Or headers or the tune on your hooptie - since when did you start writing code ??
And because I have chosen to leave my car somewhat stock I can't comment here ?? Hey, you're the one whining about the "MB tax" and what one has to do to get around it...it's a public forum...if you don't want other members to comment about what you say then quit posting.And you never answered me (for the second time) about my bet to run our cars - perhaps you should pay more attention to your sig line and and quit running your mouth if you can't back it up.
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So there's that.
And in regards to this whole MB tax business, we're buying parts made in smaller quantities, using higher quality materials and built to tighter tolerances/higher finish standards... Our stuff HAS to cost more.
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1. THIS alone is what causes the MB tax. Limited run, with very few potential customers does indeed cause higher pricing. I can attest to this as Auburn would not make me a custom diff due to the previous stated facts. I was even one of their sponsored cars a few years back, and they turned me down because of this.
2. Well, this one I do not agree with as a stead fast rule. A stainless header is a stainless header. IF they are made out of the same material. A cam shaft for ALL engines is machined to the same strict stats. But again, how many MB people will buck up and actually buy one, hence the higher price.
3. To some extent I will go along with this as the demand is so low. I would bet that less than 5% of MB owners ever even think about modifying their toys.
Oh well, just had to vent a little, as I really do hate the high prices on such few mods for our toys, IMHO.
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This is were the "Have to pay to play" comes from i guess.. 
Im going to wait to see what pans out with this. I was ready to order my headers, but i guess I'll wait to see the blower results, and reliability. I dont mind the obnoxious LTH sound. My neighbors are a good distance from me.
-Walter
Im going to wait to see what pans out with this. I was ready to order my headers, but i guess I'll wait to see the blower results, and reliability. I dont mind the obnoxious LTH sound. My neighbors are a good distance from me.
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To make a long story short(er), a friend that's a transmission specialist at a local dealership was chatting up the instructor at a training class and it came up first in regards to the SL63s with the MCT killing trans' then he asked about the C's (in reference to my car) and the instructor said that all the 722s were getting the upgrade for 2010 and that the new carriers were the de facto replacement/warranty parts going forward.
So there's that.
So there's that.
And in regards to this whole MB tax business, we're buying parts made in smaller quantities, using higher quality materials and built to tighter tolerances/higher finish standards... Our stuff HAS to cost more.
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if I did I wouldn't spend the money.
Thanks again for the info.
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As for tune... I have a way of tweaking it slightly and yes I put in my input when my car is being tuned. If I had software I'd tune it myself (The reason why I'm leaning towards gong standalone). Be my guest and call Cory at Kleemann and he will tell you how many things I have pioneered on this setup (not the blower or headers but everything around it or on it). Or just do a search on the forum and see. I have helped alot of people go faster. Wish you would try and do the same instead of just talking trash. Even your buddy has asked me for help in the past. What have you contributed? How fast is the next fastest Kleemann supercharged car? So then how is my car so much faster if I haven't done any R&D?
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Based on experience yes it will make alot more power. The issue is can the trans/engine handle the extra power
Of course not. Kleemann did a very good job doing that R&D, no point in reinventing the wheel. Actually with blower, headers, LSD and tune the best the car ever ran was 11.8ish. Where did the rest of it come from? As for tune... I have a way of tweaking it slightly and yes I put in my input when my car is being tuned. If I had software I'd tune it myself (The reason why I'm leaning towards gong standalone). Be my guest and call Cory at Kleemann and he will tell you how many things I have pioneered on this setup (not the blower or headers but everything around it or on it). Or just do a search on the forum and see. I have helped alot of people go faster. Wish you would try and do the same instead of just talking trash. Even your buddy has asked me for help in the past. What have you contributed? How fast is the next fastest Kleemann supercharged car? So then how is my car so much faster if I haven't done any R&D?
Of course not. Kleemann did a very good job doing that R&D, no point in reinventing the wheel. Actually with blower, headers, LSD and tune the best the car ever ran was 11.8ish. Where did the rest of it come from?
As for tune... I have a way of tweaking it slightly and yes I put in my input when my car is being tuned. If I had software I'd tune it myself (The reason why I'm leaning towards gong standalone). Be my guest and call Cory at Kleemann and he will tell you how many things I have pioneered on this setup (not the blower or headers but everything around it or on it). Or just do a search on the forum and see. I have helped alot of people go faster. Wish you would try and do the same instead of just talking trash. Even your buddy has asked me for help in the past. What have you contributed? How fast is the next fastest Kleemann supercharged car? So then how is my car so much faster if I haven't done any R&D? OMG someone certainly thinks a lot of himself. Your narrow mindedness is funny...I guess you think every person with a modified Benz posts about it here, right ? Certainly no other Benz in the world is faster than yours Your no different than every other fly by night bench racer who stands on the shoulders of giants and demands the same respect. Yet, with your ultimate awesomness you can't even accept a little bet and continue to dodge the question while holding yourself up on some golden pedestal as if your contributions to an internet forum have put you in line for a Nobel Prize. Get over yourself kiddo and man up and accept my bet or STFU.
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Could u please fish somewhere else !
OMG someone certainly thinks a lot of himself. Your narrow mindedness is funny...I guess you think every person with a modified Benz posts about it here, right ? Certainly no other Benz in the world is faster than yours Your no different than every other fly by night bench racer who stands on the shoulders of giants and demands the same respect. Yet, with your ultimate awesomness you can't even accept a little bet and continue to dodge the question while holding yourself up on some golden pedestal as if your contributions to an internet forum have put you in line for a Nobel Prize. Get over yourself kiddo and man up and accept my bet or STFU.
OMG someone certainly thinks a lot of himself. Your narrow mindedness is funny...I guess you think every person with a modified Benz posts about it here, right ? Certainly no other Benz in the world is faster than yours Your no different than every other fly by night bench racer who stands on the shoulders of giants and demands the same respect. Yet, with your ultimate awesomness you can't even accept a little bet and continue to dodge the question while holding yourself up on some golden pedestal as if your contributions to an internet forum have put you in line for a Nobel Prize. Get over yourself kiddo and man up and accept my bet or STFU.
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Unless you're using a laptop with tweecer or something similar (by your self) to actually tune the car you're really not doing anything more than being a paid customer to one of the prof tuners out there IMHO.
That is where our hands are tied as mb enthusiasts... no-one has let the user "in the door" so to speak where we get the laptop, fuel tables, timing tables maps. Until you're doing that you're merely a customer. Which is fun in it's own light. I'm in that camp for now.
If you're not building new hardware, or modifying old hardware, or actually punching the keys to make the tune better.... then how can you be an RandD guy?
I guess you can support RandD with your wallet. Howard Hughes style.
I'm taking the easy way out on an old proven platform.... with my clk55K...... I'm having a shop install a pile of parts in a combo that has been done before many times..... there may be some little special sauce in the tune but at the end of the day I'm taking the easy way out. It's hard to be a pioneer in this high dollar amg mod world..... I give mad props to anyone forging ahead with a truly NEW combination of parts in such an expensive platform. Mad props.
That is where our hands are tied as mb enthusiasts... no-one has let the user "in the door" so to speak where we get the laptop, fuel tables, timing tables maps. Until you're doing that you're merely a customer. Which is fun in it's own light. I'm in that camp for now.
If you're not building new hardware, or modifying old hardware, or actually punching the keys to make the tune better.... then how can you be an RandD guy?
I guess you can support RandD with your wallet. Howard Hughes style.
I'm taking the easy way out on an old proven platform.... with my clk55K...... I'm having a shop install a pile of parts in a combo that has been done before many times..... there may be some little special sauce in the tune but at the end of the day I'm taking the easy way out. It's hard to be a pioneer in this high dollar amg mod world..... I give mad props to anyone forging ahead with a truly NEW combination of parts in such an expensive platform. Mad props.
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Unless you're using a laptop with tweecer or something similar (by your self) to actually tune the car you're really not doing anything more than being a paid customer to one of the prof tuners out there IMHO.
That is where our hands are tied as mb enthusiasts... no-one has let the user "in the door" so to speak where we get the laptop, fuel tables, timing tables maps. Until you're doing that you're merely a customer. Which is fun in it's own light. I'm in that camp for now.
If you're not building new hardware, or modifying old hardware, or actually punching the keys to make the tune better.... then how can you be an RandD guy?
I guess you can support RandD with your wallet. Howard Hughes style.
I'm taking the easy way out on an old proven platform.... with my clk55K...... I'm having a shop install a pile of parts in a combo that has been done before many times..... there may be some little special sauce in the tune but at the end of the day I'm taking the easy way out. It's hard to be a pioneer in this high dollar amg mod world..... I give mad props to anyone forging ahead with a truly NEW combination of parts in such an expensive platform. Mad props.
That is where our hands are tied as mb enthusiasts... no-one has let the user "in the door" so to speak where we get the laptop, fuel tables, timing tables maps. Until you're doing that you're merely a customer. Which is fun in it's own light. I'm in that camp for now.
If you're not building new hardware, or modifying old hardware, or actually punching the keys to make the tune better.... then how can you be an RandD guy?
I guess you can support RandD with your wallet. Howard Hughes style.
I'm taking the easy way out on an old proven platform.... with my clk55K...... I'm having a shop install a pile of parts in a combo that has been done before many times..... there may be some little special sauce in the tune but at the end of the day I'm taking the easy way out. It's hard to be a pioneer in this high dollar amg mod world..... I give mad props to anyone forging ahead with a truly NEW combination of parts in such an expensive platform. Mad props.
. There is no other CLK out there with the combo of parts I have. I dont understand how it was proven unless you consider what I've done as proving something Good luck to you. I look forward to seeing your 1/4 numbers Lets get back on topic, can't wait to see the results! And yes I give props to anyone who takes a new path to develop/test new products!
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No disrespect blackbenzz,,, actually the opposite... as I'm doing my best to dig up all your tricks/tips.. which don't come easy ...... so I can copy from where you left off.
Unless I can drop 1 second with a convetor/clutch packs I really don't see coming close to your numbers without some serious wgt reduction!!!!! Your car sets a high bar.
A s/c c63 will be something to behold...... and this will apply to several 63 platforms....... clk63 (nonbs), ml63, cls63, e63, s63.......
...... so I can copy from where you left off.Unless I can drop 1 second with a convetor/clutch packs I really don't see coming close to your numbers without some serious wgt reduction!!!!! Your car sets a high bar.
A s/c c63 will be something to behold...... and this will apply to several 63 platforms....... clk63 (nonbs), ml63, cls63, e63, s63.......
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No disrespect blackbenzz,,, actually the opposite... as I'm doing my best to dig up all your tricks/tips.. which don't come easy ...... so I can copy from where you left off.
Unless I can drop 1 second with a convetor/clutch packs I really don't see coming close to your numbers without some serious wgt reduction!!!!! Your car sets a high bar.
A s/c c63 will be something to behold...... and this will apply to several 63 platforms....... clk63 (nonbs), ml63, cls63, e63, s63.......
...... so I can copy from where you left off.Unless I can drop 1 second with a convetor/clutch packs I really don't see coming close to your numbers without some serious wgt reduction!!!!! Your car sets a high bar.
A s/c c63 will be something to behold...... and this will apply to several 63 platforms....... clk63 (nonbs), ml63, cls63, e63, s63.......
Yea I can't wait to see the sc 63's rollin around
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Dyno Review
I pulled together some dyno data of a few cars for comparison. I would love to see a C63-Kompressor on this chart as well.
CLK55-Kleemann (Cams, Headers, Kleemann Eaton, Tune)
SLK55-Kleemann (Headers, Kleemann Eaton, Tune)
C63-(Long tubes, Tune)
C63-Stock
I need to add a CLK55 stock graph up for kicks.
Disclaimer - Take this with a grain of salt, different days, different dyno's... we all know how you can jack with dyno charts to make the customer happy
With the stock CLK55 added:
CLK55-Kleemann (Cams, Headers, Kleemann Eaton, Tune)
SLK55-Kleemann (Headers, Kleemann Eaton, Tune)
C63-(Long tubes, Tune)
C63-Stock
I need to add a CLK55 stock graph up for kicks.
Disclaimer - Take this with a grain of salt, different days, different dyno's... we all know how you can jack with dyno charts to make the customer happy
With the stock CLK55 added:
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If I can get any more info I will let you guys know.
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I'm not sure where you're getting your info, but I'm afraid it is incorrect. KLEEMANN never developed a S/C for the M156, or even tried for that matter. It was realized early on (as in an idea scribbled on a piece of paper) that it would be prohibitively expensive, so that piece of paper was filed in the trash. Furthermore, M156 throttle bodies were not an evolution of a product developed for a supercharged engine (again, KLEEMANN never even attempted to develop such a product).
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I'm not sure where you're getting your info, but I'm afraid it is incorrect. KLEEMANN never developed a S/C for the M156, or even tried for that matter. It was realized early on (as in an idea scribbled on a piece of paper) that it would be prohibitively expensive, so that piece of paper was filed in the trash. Furthermore, M156 throttle bodies were not an evolution of a product developed for a supercharged engine (again, KLEEMANN never even attempted to develop such a product).
