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Hey everyone, it's been a pleasure to hang out with everybody. I decided to finally take the jump and become a forum vendor. We do european vehicle repair, and another line of business I run is sell Amsoil via referrals.
If anybody would like to take the jump and switch to wonderful quality 100% synthetic lubrication backed by testing and used oil analysis, please get in touch, click the links below to help yourself, or come and find me and it would be my pleasure to do business with you. Their ATF, DOT4, gear oil, and motor oil have all been wonderful assets towards keeping my customer cars running longer and stronger.
Thanks for being a forum vendor. Your support allows me to access this great site for free.
please consider amsoil for your next oil change and well call it more than even
It's a lil more expensive than walmart Castrol/Pennzoil/Mobil jugs and you will notice a difference or else I wouldn't be in this business. Going out to the 10k OCI vs these 7500 mile oil changes with completely cooked off M1 pours was when I was converted
Thank you for the link. Reading between the lines of the brochure I concluded the following:
- Amsoil offers 0W-40 oil that they think complies with MB 229.1, 229.3, 229.5. They claim to be MB 229.5 approved (though MB page does not list it)
- Amsoil offers 5W-40 oil that IS approved for MB 229.51, AND it IS listed on the MB page.
- Amsoil offers 0W-20 oil that they think complies with MB 229.71, does not claim to be approved, nor it is listed by MB either
- Amsoil offers 0W-30 oil that they think complies with MB229.1, 229.51, 229.52, do not claim to be approved, nor it is listed by MB either
Apologies for the verbosity, but I write as I dissect the brochure.
For those concerned with MB approval, and not only manufacturer recommendations, AMSOIL 5W-40 is the oil for you. They other oils such as 0W-40, 0W-20 and 0W-30 are only manufacturer certified. With whatever "approved" and/or "certified" means.
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Thank you for the link. Reading between the lines of the brochure I concluded the following:
- Amsoil offers 0W-40 oil that they think complies with MB 229.1, 229.3, 229.5. They claim to be MB 229.5 approved (though MB page does not list it)
- Amsoil offers 5W-40 oil that IS approved for MB 229.51, AND it IS listed on the MB page.
- Amsoil offers 0W-20 oil that they think complies with MB 229.71, does not claim to be approved, nor it is listed by MB either
- Amsoil offers 0W-30 oil that they think complies with MB229.1, 229.51, 229.52, do not claim to be approved, nor it is listed by MB either
Apologies for the verbosity, but I write as I dissect the brochure.
For those concerned with MB approval, and not only manufacturer recommendations, AMSOIL 5W-40 is the oil for you. They other oils such as 0W-40, 0W-20 and 0W-30 are only manufacturer certified. With whatever "approved" and/or "certified" means.
Correct I'm not here to argue with any of that, same with their multi-spec ATF's that I love so much (I'm a full service shop that also serves this to AMG/Mercedes customers all day). You gotta determine what works for you and this stuff works pretty well. Technically most of us aren't even using MB approved FUEL for what it's worth. The 5W40 FS is THE oil I recommend for 90% of us, I run the correct grade for the AMG GT-S with superb results.
The 229.5 spec is really weird in that even Liquimoly doesn't have certification for several viscosity grades and yet nobody thinks twice about using them. 229.51 is a more strict spec for the diesels and whatnot that run 20k+ oil change intervals so I think its a low SAPS formula (basically the stuff FROM the additives adds more SAPS which is harder on the emissions equipment). Anything that works on 229.51 should work with 229.5.
European oils are tricky, but in general it has to have below a certain threshold of SAPS, a TBN of 8-ish and low volatility to successfully run these high performance vehicles to their 10k oil change interval recommended by the factory without cumulative degradation in cleanliness and performance. 229.51 and 229.51 require mid and low SAPS, not necessarily better protection but the SAPS have to be even more under control to not kill your catalytic converter and sensors as the oil is going into the 20-30k range as recommended by the factory. Even more confusing is that its backwards compatible with 229.5 usually which causes people to overspend on mid and low SAPS oils for the same interval.
I have been using Amsoil for thirty years. Its the best. Diesel cars, trucks, boats, two stroke outboards, and even lawn mowers.
Alright I finished working through my daily beers and I'm back to post. To make a mild and respectful correction to @juanmor40 who otherwise I completely concede ANY and all Mercedes Benz knowledge to, I will go over the approvals list briefly.
The 5w40 FS (full SpASH/SAPS) is approved by MB for 229.5 which is the generic "European Formula" we all get with Edge/M1/Xclean/LM, etc The additive packages are not bespoke to Amsoil, it's a company called Lubrizol who makes the add-packs for the industry and it is them that brings a base oil to spec. The difference is the base oil being 100% synthetic free of the chunky bits that are in crude. Full synthetic can be up to 75% derived from crude oil and still wear that name. Not here to drag any brand I'm easily not intelligent enough to hold that convo. The differerences though are that UOAs are coming back at 10-12k with reserve protection and thats where the money is as long as you respect your factory intervals and filtration choices.
The 5w40 LS (low SpASH/SAPS) is 229.51 approved and will work with all of the OMP642 diesels for their long long intervals when paired with an OE filter, and the 0w30 is the 229.52 oil
The Amsoil IMPLIED approvals are for viscosities that the cars will take considering the add-packs on the other viscosities but not necessarily THE actual oil that you should be using. Like you can use 0w40, 5w30 depending on climate with no ill effects, but the actual recommended oil is 5w40 for OUR specific cars and they are MB approved.
The stuff that is not approved and never will be are the multi-spec ATF's, I've been betrayed by the factory ATF so many times now well below it's factory interval that I got desperate and thus, that was my first run-in. You resort to goofy stuff like putting other people's goo in your cars in a bind. Putting $16 cherry-smelling ATF in your financed $80,000 AMG GT-S sounds like the worst idea ever until that first shift when you realize everything is actually working and buttery smooth.
The 25% off coupon saves you a bunch, the free shipping is real fast, and being paid to hang out on MBWorld and help out/learn sounds cool to me.
Last edited by ChrisHimself; 06-15-2023 at 09:54 AM.
@ChrisHimself Unfortunately, the statement of 229.51 approval is misleading in writing, and fact verification. Either it is a typo and meant to be 229.5, it is just a claim, or MB has not updated its database which claims to be up to date.
I am not evaluating the oil usability in our vehicles, I am just highlighting the literature as it stands. One thing I measure others by is their attention to detail when doing their work. If it is a typo (though understandable since we all make mistakes) someone in the AMSOIL marketing department dropped the ball which begs the question of who else dropped the ball in the company? If AMSOIL were to come back and say it is not a typo, then it becomes a claim because 229.51 approval belongs to those who evaluate it. It is like me saying I am the best at something w/o backup data.
Still open to the idea of MB's database being out of date though.
Do not get me wrong. I trust you have used it, and it is working for you and your customers.
I went via MB approval site and there is no Amsoil in 229.5 category, no Amsoil in 229.51 category and no Amsoil in 229.52 category. Mercedes-Benz Operating Fluids
I really would love to see lab tests on those oils.
I changed oil on my Sprinter, where I could find data of service 16,000 miles earlier. Sprinters do have 20k oil change intervals, but after at least 3 years I decided to change it.
The lab test come excellent, and the oil formula doesn't remind me any oil that I am using, so I wonder it the PO could use Amsoil.
Still with so many things not said, it is a mystery.
I prefer to choose my motor oils on technical data not on sale pitches.
What I find hilarious is this link http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/ap...PI%20licensed., I wonder if that dealer will go to a "self-proclaimed doctor" w/o certification that claims s/he could not pay for medical school but s/he is at the top of everyone's game. Is it true that by certifications, some players may prevent other to compete? Sure, but if proven, at least in the US it is illegal to collude against the competition.
@ChrisHimself Unfortunately, the statement of 229.51 approval is misleading in writing, and fact verification. Either it is a typo and meant to be 229.5, it is just a claim, or MB has not updated its database which claims to be up to date.
I am not evaluating the oil usability in our vehicles, I am just highlighting the literature as it stands. One thing I measure others by is their attention to detail when doing their work. If it is a typo (though understandable since we all make mistakes) someone in the AMSOIL marketing department dropped the ball which begs the question of who else dropped the ball in the company? If AMSOIL were to come back and say it is not a typo, then it becomes a claim because 229.51 approval belongs to those who evaluate it. It is like me saying I am the best at something w/o backup data.
Still open to the idea of MB's database being out of date though.
Do not get me wrong. I trust you have used it, and it is working for you and your customers.
Originally Posted by kajtek1
I went via MB approval site and there is no Amsoil in 229.5 category, no Amsoil in 229.51 category and no Amsoil in 229.52 category. Mercedes-Benz Operating Fluids
I really would love to see lab tests on those oils.
I changed oil on my Sprinter, where I could find data of service 16,000 miles earlier. Sprinters do have 20k oil change intervals, but after at least 3 years I decided to change it.
The lab test come excellent, and the oil formula doesn't remind me any oil that I am using, so I wonder it the PO could use Amsoil.
Still with so many things not said, it is a mystery.
I prefer to choose my motor oils on technical data not on sale pitches.
I'm the one who came to town with stuff to sell, burden of data is on me, so the 229.5 for Amsoil comes and goes on their website.
Per MB's website now, 229.51 Amsoil's 5w40 is approved, it says 5w40, but remember there is a full, mid, and low saps 5w40. The mid and low are the ones in question for 229.51 and 229.52 https://www.amsoil.com/p/sae-5w-40-m...fl/?zo=7236674
As for used oil analysis, I don't own or service a Sprinter, I'm not going to copy someone elses homework from another forum to sell anybody into a place they don't want to be. If anybody is interested in trying Amsoil I will be here to service any accounts and I would love your business. I'd love to be your guy, I love the idea of being a part of your car care regimen and helping my community. That is my offer, and as big of an ask as I could reasonably make.
I don't keep all these, the customers are the ones getting the UOA's for themselves outside of the shop and they usually text me their results. This is the AMG GT-S's 5w40 FS UOA at 10500 which says I could still use the oil which honestly I was impressed by, and I've gotten similar printouts for the S550 M278 and the M273 equipped E550. I usually toss them out once I understand my car isn't about to explode from using not-Motul XClean which was my previous oil of choice because I liked the shape of the jugs and the displays my vendor would give me after I bought a certain amount.
UOA is fickle in that my UOA will have next to nothing to do with your UOA so it's a slippery slope considering we have different cars in different areas with different mileages and oil change history. I buy all my cars used, I drive fairly terribly, and I'm harder on my fluids, in a more urban environment with spirited freeway pulls and cruising at 100mph depending on time of day. A normal person's C300 2.0L UOA at 10,000 miles vs well, for example my M278 S550 is going to have the same oil going in, but completely different oil coming out and then you have the subjective interpretation of what is going on even when you do get the data since everything is working FINE 100% of the time regardless of what you use. You just gotta determine what works for you at the end of the day and pick what you like. I chose to post this in the W212 area since I get along with the most amount of people here specificially and we'd get along.
I think UOA is good to determine your individual vehicles oil change interval, silly since Mercedes was very good about establishing that, or troubleshooting if you have fuel dilution, or soot dispersion issues with your engine which would be great.
I think for the most part we're all exactly on the same page here with the same initial skepticisms and fact-checking against MB and Amsoil concurrently that makes well, Mercedes ownership EXACTLY what it is. What another dealer is willing to resort to with his/her limited understanding of the world to push product on people who don't want it has little to do with me. I know who these dealers are, their business isn't ultimately the end-customer but to pursue "big accounts" that use the products commercially so they're willing to bend and twist when $$ is on the line. My focus is the end-user since that is who I relate to the most as someone who logs fairly frequent miles on cars I like being in a lot. I represent the product in my small part of the world, I like using it, I'd like to be a part of your next oil change or transmission service if you had interest in the product and the end-game for me is that you love the product and that we get along and we all have fun.
@nc211 recently had an amazing transaction with me and was very happy so I thought to take the leap to support the board and move some cases.
Yeah I don't know whats going on there, I'm with you it seems to be missing on the most current 2023 update. I think optimistically, that the latest bevo site is just missing data. It was there for many years before.
The fact is that end user has no way to tell quality of oil at the time of purchase.
Even I have some education about oils, it doesn't change that.
So what we can relay on is manufacturers approval and oil tests of used oils.
We have none of that here.
Are we going anywhere with it?
The fact is that end user has no way to tell quality of oil at the time of purchase.
Even I have some education about oils, it doesn't change that.
So what we can relay on is manufacturers approval and oil tests of used oils.
We have none of that here.
Are we going anywhere with it?
VOA, virgin oil analysis, but it's going to all be within-spec and ready to use per Blackstone/Oil Analyzers so it wouldn't tell you anything interesting. It always comes back "this oil is ready for use in your vehicle and meets your manufacturers specifications. Whether I go import the most expensive 229.5 by Petronas, go pull my unused LM High Tec out, or XClean the TBN, SAPS, will be the same. The differences between brands would be the base oils which are not covered by VOA/UOA.
I just posted my own data,the manufacturers approvals I just posted off MB's own sites past, and present. Theres lots of used amsoil samples on BITOG, but then it wouldn't be good enough data because its not
1) a Mercedes,
2) your mercedes
3) your mercedes between oil switches,
and then my car wouldn't be your car, I have a 4.7L, a 4L, and a 5.5L, if you really wanted to get into it, those operate different than the diesels even if they use the same oils. So what do we do? Eventually someones just gotta read labels and pour the stuff they're told to pour down the tube and start the car.
At the end of the day all UOA's tell you that the oil is good to use when the car is functioning properly. The purpose of UOA is subjective to the end user or to diagnose issues. Cept the label on the bottle tells you're fine before you ever start using it ie Mobil, Motul, LM, or Amsoil because it's oil and it's not inherently that exciting so we trust what we see on a label any other time of day. It's only when it's a different label with the same approvals that were not familiar with does the magnifying glass come out, and I get that.
I can't make someone read if they don't want to read. I'm willing to do the homework as long as it's not the same assignment 15 times and if it actually gets looked at. It's easier to post than to post content.
I went via MB approval site and there is no Amsoil in 229.5 category, no Amsoil in 229.51 category and no Amsoil in 229.52 category. Mercedes-Benz Operating Fluids
I really would love to see lab tests on those oils.
I changed oil on my Sprinter, where I could find data of service 16,000 miles earlier. Sprinters do have 20k oil change intervals, but after at least 3 years I decided to change it.
The lab test come excellent, and the oil formula doesn't remind me any oil that I am using, so I wonder it the PO could use Amsoil.
Still with so many things not said, it is a mystery.
I prefer to choose my motor oils on technical data not on sale pitches.
@kajtek1 , Just for clarification, AMSOIL 5W40 approval for MB229.51 is there. Only a bit hidden. It caught me the first time, so I search at the top right of the page for AMSOIL, and it found ONLY 1 entry for any MB application -> 229.51, and then if you follow that entry you get into a long list that you must scroll down. That is where I got this snapshot.
@kajtek1 , Just for clarification, AMSOIL 5W40 approval for MB229.51 is there.......
EDIT. Found it after some scrolling
Still 229.51 category is for diesels, who did not have SCR or DEF system installed. So it doesn't apply to W212
In diesel section you will find very long topic, where several OM642 engines seized due the use of inadequate oils.
Not to beat this guy up any more but the ATF isn't on the current MB-approved list either. Coincidentally I ordered a transmission service kit from FCP last night and was debating between Pentosin and Liqui Moly and went with the former. I didn't find Liqui Moly on the approved list either.
There is a simple theory in life that has guided me for conversations such as this. It is a simple equation. And not “woke”.
A million rednecks can’t be wrong….
and knowing some of you are aware that I completely flushed my transmission at 72k miles to put their ATF in about a week or so ago, ya’ll can figure out why I did it… (ps, it’s running great so far).
I learned this valuable lesson over 25 years ago, when my younger self was debatin’ which brand of 6x9 speakers to get for my snazzy Sentra. No lie. This happened.
Debating between the Alpine’s and the Pioneers.
“dude, a million rednecks can’t be wrong. Get the Pioneers.”
06-13-2023, 05:59 PM
