MB37

I found this article today but don't know how much weight to put on it. https://www.electrive.com/2024/05/13...logy-platform/
If MB is actually going to continue with the EVA2 which the EQE/EQS is currently built on, that most likely mean that they need to make more money out of the current tech before moving onto the new architecture. Or it could mean that the new architecture (MB.EA large) is likely not yielding that much more benefit over the existing architecture.

Does this mean that the EQS will likely continue to be its own model and not merge with the S-Class at some later point?

QuadBenz

It sounds like they’ll be copying BMW’s strategy to me of having one shared platform that will be ICE or EV, instead of dedicated platforms for each.

This is disappointing news.

ScottC2

Thank you for sharing this, MB37. I can only hope that one "byproduct" of this will be MB providing more software updates for MBUX and other EQ things so many of us gripe about.

MB37

I can see an 800V system in the facelift EQS on an EVA2M, but if MB squeeze more out of the EVA2M with a 2 speed tranny, those engineers will be working overtime.

stealth.pilot

If true then this is good news for Lucid.

I think the outlook for pure play EV makers is best if the OEMs pursue the shared platform approach. For example, if the current EQS580 had been a W223 EV with a 250 mile range, I would be in a Lucid now.

nosnoop

I don't expect that to be the case at all.
Look at what BMW has done. All their cars are very competitive in range.
Their ICE Platform based iX beats EV platform based EQE SUV with larger battery, longer range and higher efficiency.

Range is not a concern for shared platform. It is mostly interior packaging with more room (theoretically) and more flexibility in seats placement for EV platform cars.

QuadBenz

The BMW iX might be the only one on an actual bespoke EV platform. Everything else (i4, i5, i7) is on a shared ICE/EV platform.

EQEBlue

It’s a bd ideal following BMW strategy their suspension really takes a huge hit being able to handle only fraction of their ICE duty cycle.

Yes I’d is the only bespoke EV and BMW is already culling i series with Neue Klasse so BMW is pivoting to EV architecture.

Streamliner

After 17 brand new MB’s, including 5 S Class sedans, I have a new BMW I7 on order. The car does everything the current S Class does, but better. The ride quality, quietness and luxury put the S580 I had to shame. I test drove the EQS Sedan and it is not in the same league as either the current S Class or the current 7 Series. I do believe that BMW got electrification right and MB got it wrong. MB has been getting a LOT wrong lately.

nosnoop

Maybe "bespoke", but it is still CLAR based. So an ICE derived platform.
You can see that the iX being manufactured in the same assembly line as other CLAR cars - this is only possible if they originate from the same platform (see video below).
BMW has no EV platform until Neue Klasse (still shared but EV priority vs ICE priority for CLAR).

Wolfman

This is an unfortunate move from Mercedes likely due to the slow sales of their EV’s.
I would hope they would take bolder steps as they actually own the best EV motor tech of any manufacturer and were planning to leverage them (axial flux motors) through their acquisition of Yasa on the MB.EA platform.

I hope that the AMG.EA platform is still happening…

Wolfman

I think that MB strategy is definitely the better one but hampered by poor design and engineering choices.
BMW fares better as it is a transitional design but ultimately inferior.
BMW got the insulation right (they are very quiet EV’s) but has issues with brake modulation and recuperation.

nath_h

BMW got good practicing on the i3. I've had two of them. In hindsight, what an amazing feat to get BEV right on the first try in the mid 2010's. I never head a single problem with either car--not even a warning light. I sold my last one for a song, and last I checked the car now has a semi cult following, and worth at least 50% more than when I sold it. Great little cars.

Streamliner

I hope you are right. I am not happy leaving MB. I’ve been a very loyal customer for many years and am not looking forward to not seeing that little star on top of my hood. However, I really want to go electric, as it really suits my needs out here in LaLa Land where premium gas is $6.00. But the EQS Sedan feels more like an E Class to me than an S and the I7 is just so much better in ride quality, an ultra quiet & luxurious cabin and overall comfort. The upright body design is also growing on me.

Aside from all the problems I had with my 2022 S580, there were design elements that made the car less comfortable for me than the previous model. Lastly, as I have mentioned elsewhere, here in Orange County, the dealers appear to be overwhelmed. Too many models with way too many problems. Time for a change, but there will still be two 2019 MB’s in the garage. Hope they play nice with their new stablemate.

MBNUT1

Per the EPA mileage estimates the EQS580 is 25% more efficient than the I7 M70 xDrive

Streamliner

That certainly may be true, but 90% of my driving is 4 miles to my office, 4 miles home for lunch, 4 miles back to my office and then 4 miles home. On the approximate 300 mile range, I can do a round trip to Santa Barbara, a favorite weekend getaway and on our annual drive up to Napa Valley, I’ll figure it out.
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SW20S

But I have to drive an EQS in order to get that efficiency, a vehicle I don't like. Neither Stream nor I would get an M70, you need to compare it to a 60 or 50.

What I would love is an EQ vehicle that looks more like a traditional sedan with the same level interior as the S Class.

Where did you hear this about brake modulation? In fact its the EQ models I have heard complaints about braking feel with.

What I like about the i7 is it feels like a normal luxury sedan. If you put an engine soundtrack somebody would never know it was an EV.

Wolfman

About 10k miles of driving BMW EV models as of late. Mostly IX but also the latest i5 and i7 builds…

For me it’s different. The last thing I would want to hear is their ****ty soundtrack or some fake engine sound.

I’d take a Lucid over a BMW i7 any day.

SW20S

I have not driven an iX but I have felt nothing strange about the braking in the i7s I have driven, they feel just like the 760s. EQS I have felt the strange brakes.

Me either, you missed my point. My point is what I like about it is that it feels like a normal car.

Having driven both, no way IMO. i7 is a much nicer driving vehicle than the Lucid. I was really disappointed in the Lucid.

guess2098

I think i7 is way more ugly than EQS TBH. I had been driving different BMW since 2004 (e46m3, e90, e92m3, e63m6, f07 550gt, f10 530, f85 x5m, f01 750, f82, f80 cs), can't stay their new big nose design plus their interior getting too "busy"
the only bad for EQS I would said it is the shape of front light and grill. other than those it is a great ev.

MB37

With regards to pedal feel, drive an am eqs in normal mode regen is no different than an old ICE with a bit more feel on wind resistance due to the light regen. But the brake pedals don't move unexpectedly, and the accelerator pedal pressure feels "normal.

SW20S

I don't agree. My issue with the EQS is it has no shape, its just like a computer mouse. The i7 has an imposing presence, it looks powerful and luxurious.

Honestly the EQE is better looking IMO, it has some shape to the haunches and looks athletic in some ways.

MB37

My Logitech M705 mouse looks pretty damn slick for a mouse. We can go down endless discussions on design/art of the EQS or lack thereof. The only i7 I would drive is a black out i7 m70. But I have to warm up to the black color first.

SW20S

At the end of the day though, the EQS just hasn't sold well which is why MB is readying refreshes and new models and rethinking their whole EQ approach to EVs.

stealth.pilot

I agree with this. The i7 looks like something that Cadillac designed.