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Old 12-18-2006, 08:15 PM
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05 SL 55 AMG, 01 Turbusa/8.43 @ 183..1/4 mi.
Intercooling a -55

My Turbo-Busa is intercooled with a double row Air-Air Intercooler........

My Supercharged/Pro-Charger F-150 is intercooled with a triple row Air-Air Intercooler....

My '05 -SL55 has a Huge Supercharger, where is the Intercooler????

Did I miss something.........????

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Did I miss something.........????

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Apparently.
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My Turbo-Busa is intercooled with a double row Air-Air Intercooler........

My Supercharged/Pro-Charger F-150 is intercooled with a triple row Air-Air Intercooler....

My '05 -SL55 has a Huge Supercharger, where is the Intercooler????

Did I miss something.........????

SD
Yes all amg kompressors run the same style cooling system. They have a heat exchanger for the charge air below the blower and then a cooler behind the radiator that cools the water in the liquid to air system. The system uses coolant from the engines cooling system to cool the charge air with an additional cooler up front. The coolant is taken from the expansion tank, pumped through the cooler in the front of the car with a intercooler pump and then the liquid goes up to the heat exchanger in the V of the engine where the charge air leaves the blower and enters the intake runners.

The system works ok but it is a pretty low rent system. Most tuners have addressed this issue with various upgrades. Stock cars are ok (but have massive heat soak on warm days) and cars with upgraded pulleys and ecu's are over taxing the stock system after one or two runs at WOT. If you road race or drive hard in a canyon the stock system is not that great once you upgrade the ecu and crank pulley.
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The system works ok but it is a pretty low rent system. Most tuners have addressed this issue with various upgrades. Stock cars are ok (but have massive heat soak on warm days) and cars with upgraded pulleys and ecu's are over taxing the stock system after one or two runs at WOT. If you road race or drive hard in a canyon the stock system is not that great once you upgrade the ecu and crank pulley.
With the new pulley and ECU upgrade, I now need to upgrade, it would appear...........the term "Heat Soak" does not appeal to me at all.

Thank you for the lesson, obviously these cars are new to me..........time to spend more money.

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SuperDave, there is a lot to learn about the M113 engine, especially its horrible heat management characteristics. If you want the detailed story PM me and I'll give you some tips.
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SuperDave, there is a lot to learn about the M113 engine, especially its horrible heat management characteristics. If you want the detailed story PM me and I'll give you some tips.
PM sent, CH.........and thank you.

BTW, my bestest-friend-in-the-whole-world is building a 89 Turbo-Supra
in his garage up in Virginia..........so far he has spent less than 2 grand and has the car running........

I see by your signature (and pic.......nice, btw) that you have what he wishes he may someday have...........a REAL Supra.....

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05 SL 55 AMG, 01 Turbusa/8.43 @ 183..1/4 mi.
Originally Posted by AdamG@EuroElites
Dave you need this
"I see, said the blind man"............

Adam, I want to know........straight up........is that the cure??

For what will happen to my car when I "Use/WOT" it??

I am looking for dependable, consistent, power............

no more, no less.

Thanks,

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"I see, said the blind man"............

Adam, I want to know........straight up........is that the cure??

For what will happen to my car when I "Use" it.

I am looking for dependable, consistent, power............

no more, no less.

Thanks,

Dave

Dave, its not a definite cure. However, i would like to add that it will help in the heat soak issue.

This is the information from Renntech Hq

Intercooler upgrade



Currently the 55 Kompressor engines and the V12 twin turbo MB cars have two cooling systems, a high temperature system for the engine and a low temperature system for the intercooler, these are separate systems only sharing expansion reservoir and over flow.
The current intercooler water pump has had some problems with durability, some individuals have tried pumps that are slightly better and have a greater flow, but these pumps are not designed to give the higher pressure that is required to work efficiently.
Our intercooler upgrade includes a heavy duty water pump developed for racing. This pump not only provides the flow but also the pressure that is necessary to circulate the coolant to cool down the intake air.



Our kit also includes an additional radiator portion for the intercooler.



With this kit we are seeing a 20 to 30 degree Celsius drop in intake air temperature.




So far, 5 of my clients have the unit in their cars and no complaints of yet.

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i can say with all confidence that the renntech that adam installed on my car works. he did 3 runs on the dyno and only lost 8rwhp. so id say it works great.
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Posts: 25 The extra heat exchanger sits in front of the oem ic. It's a clean package. The install done by Adam @ Euroelites was 1st rate, but I always expect that from him; he's always done a superb job for me. You can hear the additional pump running, but it's not very noticable. Where I live in the San Jouquin Valley, it gets 110 degrees + in the summer, so I had to get this mod! I took it out a few days ago & ran her hard 5 times in a row to see if I got any heat soak issues, but the first run was as strong as the last. I think it's a worthwhile mod that also will help the life of your powertrain!
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05 SL 55 AMG, 01 Turbusa/8.43 @ 183..1/4 mi.
Originally Posted by AdamG@EuroElites
Dave, its not a definite cure. However, i would like to add that it will help in the heat soak issue.

This is the information from Renntech Hq.

Our intercooler upgrade includes a heavy duty water pump developed for racing. This pump not only provides the flow but also the pressure that is necessary to circulate the coolant to cool down the intake air.


Our kit also includes an additional radiator portion for the intercooler.


With this kit we are seeing a 20 to 30 degree Celsius drop in intake air temperature.[/B]

So far, 5 of my clients have the unit in their cars and no complaints of yet.
I am sold............let's do it.

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Hey Adam what is the price minus install? Also how hard would the install be since I will have my local shop do it?
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Originally Posted by ROCKETW19
i can say with all confidence that the renntech that adam installed on my car works. he did 3 runs on the dyno and only lost 8rwhp. so id say it works great.
Mine is on the way............

Got the ECU back today and just got back from the first test-drive with the new-pulley/ECU mod...........

Car got faster/quicker/louder.........

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05 SL 55 AMG, 01 Turbusa/8.43 @ 183..1/4 mi.
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Mine is on the way............

Got the ECU back today and just got back from the first test-drive with the new-pulley/ECU mod...........

Car got faster/quicker/louder.........

Dave
2nd Intercooler and Upgraded Pump arrived today.....

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Good to hear that!

So when's the installation?
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05 SL 55 AMG, 01 Turbusa/8.43 @ 183..1/4 mi.
Originally Posted by AdamG@EuroElites
Good to hear that!

So when's the installation?
Robert will have the Original plans/instructions in his hands tomorrow when he

gets to work at 8AM.............I left them in his Night-drop-box.

I feel sure he will install it for me............He likes this car almost as much as

I do.............and he is a good mechanic.

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Dave, i will be in the office after 11:30 am PST. If you need to contact me, feel free too. Please keep me updated.

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