SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: SL65 Catless Downpipes
01-30-2014, 12:24 AM
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Was having issue with TPS first time CEL came on, but hasn't came on since. Even with 02 delete when the car revs to 5,500-6,000 a cat code will come on. Fixed the CEL today the 02 simulator looks like it did the trick. Goes back on the Dyno Friday. I'll tell you this much though, now that the ECU isn't going on limp mode, car is ridiculously fast tried a few test runs on open clear roads, from 1st to 3rd gear traction control was lighting up like a Christmas Tree and having the tail go out, so toe links and LSD is def a must.
LSD I'm hoping gets here Friday seeing we had to special order the SL65 LSD from Quaife last Friday. As for toe links Renntech never got back to me if I need their cambers or not for there toe links, I'll spend $1300 for toe links but $1100 for cambers
but their is a vendor in the UK that I bought my Carlsson Rims that have a pair of Evosport toe links.
Also I'm glad I have a high flow muffler and dual exhaust cut outs. The high flow mufflers make it sound nice with a growl but not that loud. But when the cut outs are open holy ****. Its really loud and nice but I live in the DC area and work a lot in NYC and both area's have quiet zones which can have me ticketed which will give cops another excuse to ticket me by not having front plates. But if you guys are wondering how loud no muffler and cats are, the answer is very loud
Side note: Carbon Fiber trim came in last Friday, Installed it today and the Black/Charcoal leather with Carbon Fiber Trim looks a lot sexier now then the wood that clashed with the leather
LSD I'm hoping gets here Friday seeing we had to special order the SL65 LSD from Quaife last Friday. As for toe links Renntech never got back to me if I need their cambers or not for there toe links, I'll spend $1300 for toe links but $1100 for cambers
but their is a vendor in the UK that I bought my Carlsson Rims that have a pair of Evosport toe links. Also I'm glad I have a high flow muffler and dual exhaust cut outs. The high flow mufflers make it sound nice with a growl but not that loud. But when the cut outs are open holy ****. Its really loud and nice but I live in the DC area and work a lot in NYC and both area's have quiet zones which can have me ticketed which will give cops another excuse to ticket me by not having front plates. But if you guys are wondering how loud no muffler and cats are, the answer is very loud
Side note: Carbon Fiber trim came in last Friday, Installed it today and the Black/Charcoal leather with Carbon Fiber Trim looks a lot sexier now then the wood that clashed with the leather
cutouts bypassing the exhaust should make a BIG difference in power. I used to have an older 2001 Grand Prix GTP witha turbo swap. I put in boost activated cutouts and gained 35 WHP. That was only a 400 WHP car. I would think 50 WHP on these cars. Turbos really dont like exhaust restrictions. I also remember how much faster the turbos spooled with cutout. My cutouts were boost activated so you could cruise around totally closed and they would start to open at 5-6 PSI and fully open at 15 PSI. Was pretty trick. Not sure if they are even around anymore.
01-30-2014, 12:42 AM
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Was having issue with TPS first time CEL came on, but hasn't came on since. Even with 02 delete when the car revs to 5,500-6,000 a cat code will come on. Fixed the CEL today the 02 simulator looks like it did the trick. Goes back on the Dyno Friday. I'll tell you this much though, now that the ECU isn't going on limp mode, car is ridiculously fast tried a few test runs on open clear roads, from 1st to 3rd gear traction control was lighting up like a Christmas Tree and having the tail go out, so toe links and LSD is def a must.
LSD I'm hoping gets here Friday seeing we had to special order the SL65 LSD from Quaife last Friday. As for toe links Renntech never got back to me if I need their cambers or not for there toe links, I'll spend $1300 for toe links but $1100 for cambers but their is a vendor in the UK that I bought my Carlsson Rims that have a pair of Evosport toe links.
Also I'm glad I have a high flow muffler and dual exhaust cut outs. The high flow mufflers make it sound nice with a growl but not that loud. But when the cut outs are open holy ****. Its really loud and nice but I live in the DC area and work a lot in NYC and both area's have quiet zones which can have me ticketed which will give cops another excuse to ticket me by not having front plates. But if you guys are wondering how loud no muffler and cats are, the answer is very loud
Side note: Carbon Fiber trim came in last Friday, Installed it today and the Black/Charcoal leather with Carbon Fiber Trim looks a lot sexier now then the wood that clashed with the leather
LSD I'm hoping gets here Friday seeing we had to special order the SL65 LSD from Quaife last Friday. As for toe links Renntech never got back to me if I need their cambers or not for there toe links, I'll spend $1300 for toe links but $1100 for cambers
but their is a vendor in the UK that I bought my Carlsson Rims that have a pair of Evosport toe links. Also I'm glad I have a high flow muffler and dual exhaust cut outs. The high flow mufflers make it sound nice with a growl but not that loud. But when the cut outs are open holy ****. Its really loud and nice but I live in the DC area and work a lot in NYC and both area's have quiet zones which can have me ticketed which will give cops another excuse to ticket me by not having front plates. But if you guys are wondering how loud no muffler and cats are, the answer is very loud
Side note: Carbon Fiber trim came in last Friday, Installed it today and the Black/Charcoal leather with Carbon Fiber Trim looks a lot sexier now then the wood that clashed with the leather
01-30-2014, 04:15 PM
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I had I'm not sure if Jerry tried that or not, but I was told the 02 sensors would be turned off in he ECU. But either way no more Cat codes and clear of CEL for over 100 mi's so I'm crossing my fingers for the dyno tom.
01-31-2014, 03:42 PM
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So what everyone is waiting for "drum roll"
From Open House ECU Tune of 563.53 to......
To 634.81!!!
We were getting stumped on what was going on and fuel air looked good, so Jerry recommend removing the OEM air boxes. Turns out when you have 3 inch cat less the air boxes won't cut it. So I'm having custom intakes built next week. Can't wait to see when air is being forced into the turbos.
Once I get the intakes in I'll do another run on 93 Octane. Then I'll add a trunk tank add it with ice and do a run with Q16 fuel
From Open House ECU Tune of 563.53 to......
To 634.81!!!
We were getting stumped on what was going on and fuel air looked good, so Jerry recommend removing the OEM air boxes. Turns out when you have 3 inch cat less the air boxes won't cut it. So I'm having custom intakes built next week. Can't wait to see when air is being forced into the turbos.
Once I get the intakes in I'll do another run on 93 Octane. Then I'll add a trunk tank add it with ice and do a run with Q16 fuel
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01-31-2014, 03:48 PM
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So what everyone is waiting for "drum roll"
From Open House ECU Tune of 563.53 to......
Attachment 277759
To 634.81!!!
We were getting stumped on what was going on and fuel air looked good, so Jerry recommend removing the OEM air boxes. Turns out when you have 3 inch cat less the air boxes won't cut it. So I'm having custom intakes built next week. Can't wait to see when air is being forced into the turbos.
From Open House ECU Tune of 563.53 to......
Attachment 277759
To 634.81!!!
We were getting stumped on what was going on and fuel air looked good, so Jerry recommend removing the OEM air boxes. Turns out when you have 3 inch cat less the air boxes won't cut it. So I'm having custom intakes built next week. Can't wait to see when air is being forced into the turbos.
01-31-2014, 04:00 PM
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You can try, I'm not sure if it was because the exhaust was bigger 3 inch downpipe vs OEM, since OEM is 2.75-2.85 at the downpipe I can't remember, but the Airbox def chokes up. We just removed them and let the turbo suck up air on its own without them and it was much much bigger gains. What I'm doing is a front radiator mount dual ram intake. The have done a lot of them at Eurocharged and there recent one is on the New F10 M5 (They have pics on the Eurocharged DC FB Page). So they will build my intakes like that.
Also by doing so it looks like I have enough room to have a Quad top intercooler like the ones Brabus does So I'm doing that too. Can't wait to see when the turbos gets help from intakes and sucks up more air
Also by doing so it looks like I have enough room to have a Quad top intercooler like the ones Brabus does So I'm doing that too. Can't wait to see when the turbos gets help from intakes and sucks up more air
01-31-2014, 04:07 PM
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so let me ask this , I'm running jerrys stage 1 tune , i have the stage 2 file but he says don't flash it until i send him my tcu.
I was going to do downpipes in about 3 weeks but now I'm unsure if i want to unless i do aftermarket air box. Im running Bmc filters right now.
How does the AFR do with the tune? was the car able to trim itself after the pipes and air box removed or did you guys have to add fuel to the tune?
I was going to do downpipes in about 3 weeks but now I'm unsure if i want to unless i do aftermarket air box. Im running Bmc filters right now.
How does the AFR do with the tune? was the car able to trim itself after the pipes and air box removed or did you guys have to add fuel to the tune?
01-31-2014, 04:14 PM
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I think Jerry had to add more fuel but I'm not sure I'll have to ask Paul when I go back Tuesday. And if you look at the air/fuel levels it does a lot better then just a ECU tune, But a 70+ rwhp gain ill take it.
Building the intake is much cheaper than spending 5 grand on the Renntech air boxes and having the intakes mounted at the front, I should be getting some good cold air coming in esp at higher speeds. Plus with no air boxes I can 2x my coolant capacity on my top mount inter coolers
I mean if your thinking about intakes you can just wait till next week till EC/DC builds my intakes. Assuming the pipping gets in before Wednesday. If it does looks like all I'll need then is tune it for Q16 before MIR that Saturday
Building the intake is much cheaper than spending 5 grand on the Renntech air boxes and having the intakes mounted at the front, I should be getting some good cold air coming in esp at higher speeds. Plus with no air boxes I can 2x my coolant capacity on my top mount inter coolers
I mean if your thinking about intakes you can just wait till next week till EC/DC builds my intakes. Assuming the pipping gets in before Wednesday. If it does looks like all I'll need then is tune it for Q16 before MIR that Saturday
01-31-2014, 04:18 PM
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Oh and if your thinking about doing down pipes, you should def have an LSD put in. The power the down pipes added and the faster spool up mad the Traction Control go crazy from 1st to 3rd gear when you floor it and the tail wiggling out
01-31-2014, 04:25 PM
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I hear some guys run 60% and 80%
01-31-2014, 04:29 PM
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Yeah you def need it plus its a big difference when you switch the electric LSD that's in stock SL65's to a mechanical one like Quaife. It helps keeps that power planted to the ground
01-31-2014, 04:40 PM
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What are you running in your car ? Cost? also what kind of power are they good up to?
01-31-2014, 04:50 PM
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06 SL65AMG, 13 Tesla Model S 60kwh, 02 Jaguar S-Type 3.0, 12 S550 4 Matic, 07 E320 Bluetec, 06 LX470
All I'm running currently is the following:
Eurocharged Heat Exchanger
CM30 Johnson Pump
Eurocharged ECU/TCU
Custom 3 Inch Mandrel Bent Exhaust:
Catless Downpipes
H Pipe
Dual Electric Exhaust Cutoffs
High Flow Mufflers
Carlsson 19 Inch Ultra Light Rims
With the cutouts open and closed it didn't really make a difference I was still running consistent 630+ rwhp
What I have lined up now is the following:
Quaife LSD (Waiting to be installed)
Lowering Links (Waiting to installed)
Custom Dual Ram Cold Air Intakes (Ordering parts)
Trunk Tank (Ordering parts)
Quad Top Mount Intercoolers (Ordering parts)
Evosport Toe Links (Ordering parts)
Also I'm trying to see if I have enough room to 2x stack the Heat Exchanger in the front
I'm debating if I should do a larger wheel on my OEM turbo to add a little more power while I stock pile my funds for a 1000+ HP build after I do my Black Series Kit
Eurocharged Heat Exchanger
CM30 Johnson Pump
Eurocharged ECU/TCU
Custom 3 Inch Mandrel Bent Exhaust:
Catless Downpipes
H Pipe
Dual Electric Exhaust Cutoffs
High Flow Mufflers
Carlsson 19 Inch Ultra Light Rims
With the cutouts open and closed it didn't really make a difference I was still running consistent 630+ rwhp
What I have lined up now is the following:
Quaife LSD (Waiting to be installed)
Lowering Links (Waiting to installed)
Custom Dual Ram Cold Air Intakes (Ordering parts)
Trunk Tank (Ordering parts)
Quad Top Mount Intercoolers (Ordering parts)
Evosport Toe Links (Ordering parts)
Also I'm trying to see if I have enough room to 2x stack the Heat Exchanger in the front
I'm debating if I should do a larger wheel on my OEM turbo to add a little more power while I stock pile my funds for a 1000+ HP build after I do my Black Series Kit
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01-31-2014, 05:18 PM
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So what everyone is waiting for "drum roll"
From Open House ECU Tune of 563.53 to......
Attachment 277759
To 634.81!!!
We were getting stumped on what was going on and fuel air looked good, so Jerry recommend removing the OEM air boxes. Turns out when you have 3 inch cat less the air boxes won't cut it. So I'm having custom intakes built next week. Can't wait to see when air is being forced into the turbos.
Once I get the intakes in I'll do another run on 93 Octane. Then I'll add a trunk tank add it with ice and do a run with Q16 fuel
From Open House ECU Tune of 563.53 to......
Attachment 277759
To 634.81!!!
We were getting stumped on what was going on and fuel air looked good, so Jerry recommend removing the OEM air boxes. Turns out when you have 3 inch cat less the air boxes won't cut it. So I'm having custom intakes built next week. Can't wait to see when air is being forced into the turbos.
Once I get the intakes in I'll do another run on 93 Octane. Then I'll add a trunk tank add it with ice and do a run with Q16 fuel
01-31-2014, 05:21 PM
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Nope, Custom front mount dual ram cold air intake., but that 634.81 is with removing the air boxes not with any intakes, the OEM air boxes choke up the flow for the 3 inch catless down pipes
If you go on the Eurocharged DC Facebook page they did there last one on an F10 M5, and I'm having them build it like that in front of the radiator.
If you go on the Eurocharged DC Facebook page they did there last one on an F10 M5, and I'm having them build it like that in front of the radiator.
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01-31-2014, 05:29 PM
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Nope, Custom front mount dual ram cold air intake., but that 634.81 is with removing the air boxes not with any intakes, the OEM air boxes choke up the flow for the 3 inch catless down pipes
If you go on the Eurocharged DC Facebook page they did there last one on an F10 M5, and I'm having them build it like that in front of the radiator.
If you go on the Eurocharged DC Facebook page they did there last one on an F10 M5, and I'm having them build it like that in front of the radiator.
01-31-2014, 08:01 PM
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Those are some real nice gains down low, as well as all across the graph. Hopefully your new air intake setup will not rob too much power. Don't get caught in the middle of mods and miss the rental, I'm sure many are dying to see what you can run. Nice job to everyone involved!!!
01-31-2014, 08:10 PM
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Very interesting results....Did you have the same increase in TQ? Kinda wish you had a track baseline...Can't wait to see the intakes....cone filters on the end of the intake piping?
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Yeah I'm hoping intakes won't rob power either and add a bit more. I want to come to MIR with at least the downpipes and hold off on intakes, but seeing how bad the OEM air boxes restrict the flow of the car we ordered the parts today and hopefully they come in Wednesday. If they come in Wednesday or sooner they will be working on the intakes ASAP as well as try to put the LSD that's already here and put it back on the dyno and then do a tune with Q16 before MIR on Saturday.
As for the intake set up it will be cones in the front of the radiator, then piping all the way to the turbos. This should get good cold air coming to the Turbos and improve the car esp at high speeds.
As for TQ reading the Dyno Jet can't read our TQ levels for some reason but we are looking for a dyno around the area that can. We think tho the TQ has to be 800ish rwhp
Maybe I can paint my brake calibers pretty up my car more on Tuesday and show off my new Carbon Fiber Interior on Saturday lol
As for the intake set up it will be cones in the front of the radiator, then piping all the way to the turbos. This should get good cold air coming to the Turbos and improve the car esp at high speeds.
As for TQ reading the Dyno Jet can't read our TQ levels for some reason but we are looking for a dyno around the area that can. We think tho the TQ has to be 800ish rwhp
Maybe I can paint my brake calibers pretty up my car more on Tuesday and show off my new Carbon Fiber Interior on Saturday lol
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01-31-2014, 10:05 PM
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Im very interested myself i did not realize that the stock turbos could out pull the oem air box. I really wanted to do down pipes but at this point I'm not sure.
Is there any benefit if the air boxes can't flow enough? I was feeling real good when i pulled the oem filters out and replaced with Bmc they seemed like they could flow something good.
Is there any benefit if the air boxes can't flow enough? I was feeling real good when i pulled the oem filters out and replaced with Bmc they seemed like they could flow something good.
01-31-2014, 10:13 PM
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I tried with K&N filters in my air box over the OEM paper ones and still wasn't enough air going in and speaking of which once my intakes are built I wont need my filters if anyone wants them I'll basically give them away only 300 miles on them lol
01-31-2014, 10:18 PM
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And the answer is no if you buy from Speedriven, or Kleemann I can't answer that since its the same size as OEM pipe in diameter. But I can tell you a 3 inch downpipe with no cats will loose 20 rwhp with the air box.
I was running with the Air box best I got was 540ish and it would run all over the place from 480 to 510 to 520 literally the air box chokes up the cars flow.
The moment we took out the air box I was getting consistent 630 rwhp
I was running with the Air box best I got was 540ish and it would run all over the place from 480 to 510 to 520 literally the air box chokes up the cars flow.
The moment we took out the air box I was getting consistent 630 rwhp
