SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: FS: Original Coilover Suspension from SL65 BlackSeries
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FS: Original Coilover Suspension from SL65 BlackSeries
A friend of mine has dissolved his workshop and his stock of spare parts and a coilover suspension has fallen into my hands, which is for sale now.
The suspension comes from a SL65 BlackSeries from 2009.
It was a test vehicle for temperature measuring and had less than 2.000km on it, when it got disassembled.
It is originally from AMG!
The suspension has some storage tracks, but is all-in-all in really good shape.
Part numbers:
A230 320 27 38 - front left
A230 320 28 38 - front right
A230 320 33 38 - rear left
A230 320 34 38 - rear right
New price at Mercedes shop: ~ 8.000€ (~9.040US$)
I'd like to get 2.000€ (~ 2.250US$) for it.
Shipment worldwide is possible.
It fits on all R230. If you have ABC-suspension, it will reduce weight of the car to about 50kg/100lbs, because the ABC suspension will be completly eliminated.
Pics will come soon.
The suspension comes from a SL65 BlackSeries from 2009.
It was a test vehicle for temperature measuring and had less than 2.000km on it, when it got disassembled.
It is originally from AMG!
The suspension has some storage tracks, but is all-in-all in really good shape.
Part numbers:
A230 320 27 38 - front left
A230 320 28 38 - front right
A230 320 33 38 - rear left
A230 320 34 38 - rear right
New price at Mercedes shop: ~ 8.000€ (~9.040US$)
I'd like to get 2.000€ (~ 2.250US$) for it.
Shipment worldwide is possible.
It fits on all R230. If you have ABC-suspension, it will reduce weight of the car to about 50kg/100lbs, because the ABC suspension will be completly eliminated.
Pics will come soon.
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Where are you based? I am guessing Germany from the user name.
The part numbers in google it came up with the sl350 and sl55. Do these cars use the same shocks as the black?
I would assume the black series kit was specific to the car.
The part numbers in google it came up with the sl350 and sl55. Do these cars use the same shocks as the black?
I would assume the black series kit was specific to the car.
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Pics will come!!!
I have to go to my garage, when sun is still shining...
Pics made with the light of a poor flashlight are crappy!
Be pacient for one more day!
I have to go to my garage, when sun is still shining...
Pics made with the light of a poor flashlight are crappy!
Be pacient for one more day!
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I am interested! Please send photos...
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Quote:
1) Black Series suspension (as shown on the pics above): 2000€
2) Black Series suspension + torsion bar kit from Standard-SL without ABC: 2400€
3) Black Series suspension + Black Series torsion bar kit: 3.300€.
___________
Addional parts to install torsion bar from standard R230:
Front:
- 1x A230 320 21 11 - torsion bar
- 4x N910 143 008 010 - Screws for torsion bar
- 4x N000 000 005 272 - Hexagon nut (torsion bar to rod and rod to spring control arm)
- 1x A230 320 05 89 - Torsion bar linkage left
- 1x A230 320 06 89 - Torsion bar linkage right
Rear:
- 1x A230 320 05 11 - torsion bar
- 2x N000 000 000 437 - Screws for torsion bar
- 2x N913 023 012 002 - Nuts for torsion bar
- 2x A140 990 06 51- Hexagon nut (torsion bar to rod)
- 2x 913 023 010 002 - Hexagon nut (rod to spring control arm)
- 2x A211 320 33 89 - Torsion bar linkage left and right
Addional parts to install torsion bar from BlackSeries:
Front:
- 1x A230 320 23 11 - Torsion bar
- 4x N910 143 008 010 - Screws for torsion bar
- 2x N000 000 003 279 - Hexagon nut (torsion bar to rod)
- 2x A230 333 02 50 - Bushing
- 2x A230 323 00 17 - Torsion bar linkage left and right
Rear:
- 1x A230 320 22 11 - Torsion bar
- 2x N910 105 012 012 - Screws for torsion bar
- 2x N913 023 012 002 - Nuts for torsion bar
- 2x N913 023 008 003 - nut (torsion bar to rod)
- 2x A230 320 07 89 - Torsion bar linkage left and right
All infos without guarantee...
______________
Shipment via DHL:
- Germany: 1)/2)/3) 15€ via GLS
- UK: 1) 31€; 2)/3) 75€ (Bulky freight of torsion bars; 2 parcels)
- US: 1) 70€; 2)/3) 150€ (Bulky freight of torsion bars; 2 parcels)
1) Black Series suspension (as shown on the pics above): 2000€
2) Black Series suspension + torsion bar kit from Standard-SL without ABC: 2400€
3) Black Series suspension + Black Series torsion bar kit: 3.300€.
___________
Addional parts to install torsion bar from standard R230:
Front:
- 1x A230 320 21 11 - torsion bar
- 4x N910 143 008 010 - Screws for torsion bar
- 4x N000 000 005 272 - Hexagon nut (torsion bar to rod and rod to spring control arm)
- 1x A230 320 05 89 - Torsion bar linkage left
- 1x A230 320 06 89 - Torsion bar linkage right
Rear:
- 1x A230 320 05 11 - torsion bar
- 2x N000 000 000 437 - Screws for torsion bar
- 2x N913 023 012 002 - Nuts for torsion bar
- 2x A140 990 06 51- Hexagon nut (torsion bar to rod)
- 2x 913 023 010 002 - Hexagon nut (rod to spring control arm)
- 2x A211 320 33 89 - Torsion bar linkage left and right
Addional parts to install torsion bar from BlackSeries:
Front:
- 1x A230 320 23 11 - Torsion bar
- 4x N910 143 008 010 - Screws for torsion bar
- 2x N000 000 003 279 - Hexagon nut (torsion bar to rod)
- 2x A230 333 02 50 - Bushing
- 2x A230 323 00 17 - Torsion bar linkage left and right
Rear:
- 1x A230 320 22 11 - Torsion bar
- 2x N910 105 012 012 - Screws for torsion bar
- 2x N913 023 012 002 - Nuts for torsion bar
- 2x N913 023 008 003 - nut (torsion bar to rod)
- 2x A230 320 07 89 - Torsion bar linkage left and right
All infos without guarantee...
______________
Shipment via DHL:
- Germany: 1)/2)/3) 15€ via GLS
- UK: 1) 31€; 2)/3) 75€ (Bulky freight of torsion bars; 2 parcels)
- US: 1) 70€; 2)/3) 150€ (Bulky freight of torsion bars; 2 parcels)
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SL65, 427 COBRA (CSX-3127)73 911S, 246GTS (DINO SPYDER), CORNICHE,1962 PORSCHE TWIN GRILLE ROADSTER+
Interested in buying the Black Series Suspension with standard Torsion bars
I am interested in buying the Black Series Suspension with the Standard R230/SL Torsion bar kit.
Is the standard R230 kit designed for the weight of a V12? Or is it for a 6 cylinder?
Please contact me directly
execmalibu@gmail.com 0R (310) 456-8833
Jeff
Is the standard R230 kit designed for the weight of a V12? Or is it for a 6 cylinder?
Please contact me directly
execmalibu@gmail.com 0R (310) 456-8833
Jeff
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I am interested in buying the Black Series Suspension with the Standard R230/SL Torsion bar kit.
Is the standard R230 kit designed for the weight of a V12? Or is it for a 6 cylinder?
Please contact me directly
execmalibu@gmail.com 0R (310) 456-8833
Jeff
Is the standard R230 kit designed for the weight of a V12? Or is it for a 6 cylinder?
Please contact me directly
execmalibu@gmail.com 0R (310) 456-8833
Jeff
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I am interested in buying the Black Series Suspension with the Standard R230/SL Torsion bar kit.
Is the standard R230 kit designed for the weight of a V12? Or is it for a 6 cylinder?
Please contact me directly
execmalibu@gmail.com 0R (310) 456-8833
Jeff
Is the standard R230 kit designed for the weight of a V12? Or is it for a 6 cylinder?
Please contact me directly
execmalibu@gmail.com 0R (310) 456-8833
Jeff
Email sent!
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THOSE STRUTS WILL NOT WORK ON THE R230 CHASSIS...
I was very interested then I looked at your photos how the Black Series Suspension is mounted...
The struts that you have photos of mount totally differently then the standard R230 ABC Struts... Your struts also look like they might be shorter then the stock ABC Struts?? Which might make the stock R230 sit too low? The Black Series does sit lower then a stock R230 but also has larger fender flares.
Take a look at the photo of the struts offered then look at these stock ABC Struts... The Front ABC Struts have a ball joint on the bottom and the stock rears use a rubber mounted through bolt, a different attachment then what you have.
It will not be a straight forward exchange?
I think that you might also have to change the complete Black Series suspension or at least the lower Arms for those to work???
I am not sure that BLACK SERIES Arms will even fit a standard R230 Chassis?
The struts that you have photos of mount totally differently then the standard R230 ABC Struts... Your struts also look like they might be shorter then the stock ABC Struts?? Which might make the stock R230 sit too low? The Black Series does sit lower then a stock R230 but also has larger fender flares.
Take a look at the photo of the struts offered then look at these stock ABC Struts... The Front ABC Struts have a ball joint on the bottom and the stock rears use a rubber mounted through bolt, a different attachment then what you have.
It will not be a straight forward exchange?
I think that you might also have to change the complete Black Series suspension or at least the lower Arms for those to work???
I am not sure that BLACK SERIES Arms will even fit a standard R230 Chassis?
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I will check spring control arm in front an rear.
The suspension is a thread suspension. You can adjust height, so the car should not sit to low.
The suspension is a thread suspension. You can adjust height, so the car should not sit to low.
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If the Overall Extended Length of the Shocks are too short the car will sit too low..
If the Overall Extended Length of the Shocks are too short the car will sit too low. You can adjust the preload and sag but not raise the ride height if they are too short.
It is very obvious from looking at the parts that they are not the same or easily interchangeable. They require a different type of attachment to the Lower Arms.
It is also likely that to reduce the unsprung weight the engineers at AMG designed the Black Series Shocks to be lighter and shorter and be moved inboard on the Lower Arms a few MM.
As I stated before it is entirely possible that because the Black Series was very unique and we all know they had a totally different suspension design and geometry, that the Black Series suspension parts may not be interchangeable onto the ABC R230 chassis. Or at least not without major mods like moving the attachment points on the R230 chassis?
I know that the standard R230 SL65 had dozens of minor upgrades included to the chassis/suspension components (hubs,bearsings,axles etc etc) over the SL600 which was the same car. So I would expect the AMG engineers who designed the Black Series to be radically different and is basically a Race Car for the street would have a lot more major design upgrades to the suspension and chassis over the stock R230 chassis.
It is very obvious from looking at the parts that they are not the same or easily interchangeable. They require a different type of attachment to the Lower Arms.
It is also likely that to reduce the unsprung weight the engineers at AMG designed the Black Series Shocks to be lighter and shorter and be moved inboard on the Lower Arms a few MM.
As I stated before it is entirely possible that because the Black Series was very unique and we all know they had a totally different suspension design and geometry, that the Black Series suspension parts may not be interchangeable onto the ABC R230 chassis. Or at least not without major mods like moving the attachment points on the R230 chassis?
I know that the standard R230 SL65 had dozens of minor upgrades included to the chassis/suspension components (hubs,bearsings,axles etc etc) over the SL600 which was the same car. So I would expect the AMG engineers who designed the Black Series to be radically different and is basically a Race Car for the street would have a lot more major design upgrades to the suspension and chassis over the stock R230 chassis.
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If the Overall Extended Length of the Shocks are too short the car will sit too low. You can adjust the preload and sag but not raise the ride height if they are too short.
It is very obvious from looking at the parts that they are not the same or easily interchangeable. They require a different type of attachment to the Lower Arms.
It is also likely that to reduce the unsprung weight they designed the Black Series Shocks to be lighter and shorter and be moved inboard on the Lower Arms a few MM.
As I stated before it is entirely possible that because the Black Series was very unique and we all know they had a totally different suspension design and geometry, that the Black Series suspension parts may not be interchangeable onto the ABC R230 chassis. Or at least not without major mods like moving the attachment points on the R230 chassis?
I know that the standard R230 SL65 had dozens of minor upgrades to the chassis components over the SL600 which was basically the same car so I would believe the Black Series being radically different would have a lot more major design upgrades over the stock R230 chassis.
It is very obvious from looking at the parts that they are not the same or easily interchangeable. They require a different type of attachment to the Lower Arms.
It is also likely that to reduce the unsprung weight they designed the Black Series Shocks to be lighter and shorter and be moved inboard on the Lower Arms a few MM.
As I stated before it is entirely possible that because the Black Series was very unique and we all know they had a totally different suspension design and geometry, that the Black Series suspension parts may not be interchangeable onto the ABC R230 chassis. Or at least not without major mods like moving the attachment points on the R230 chassis?
I know that the standard R230 SL65 had dozens of minor upgrades to the chassis components over the SL600 which was basically the same car so I would believe the Black Series being radically different would have a lot more major design upgrades over the stock R230 chassis.
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Noone knows if the struts are shorter, because noone has measured both struts. The adjusting range of the BS struts seems to be more than 100mm (did not exactly measure the length of the threads), just took a look)
So please be careful with statements on vehicle height and length of struts!
The attachment to the lower control arms IS different! Yes, that's right!
But the attachment of the BS struts seems to be the same as W211.
And the axles of W211 and R230 are very similar, so it might be a option to use the lower control arm of W211.
I'd prefer this to be a selling thread and not a discussion thread of faith!
Sorry to say that.
So please be careful with statements on vehicle height and length of struts!
The attachment to the lower control arms IS different! Yes, that's right!
But the attachment of the BS struts seems to be the same as W211.
And the axles of W211 and R230 are very similar, so it might be a option to use the lower control arm of W211.
I'd prefer this to be a selling thread and not a discussion thread of faith!
Sorry to say that.
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I was asking if the BS Struts are shorter...
I was NOT making a statement that the BS Struts are shorter!
I was merely asking a question based upon the one and only photo of the rear BS Struts that you provided they look shorter then the SL65 ABC Struts I have...
That is also why at the end of the sentence I put not just one but two question marks...
"Your struts also look like they might be shorter then the stock ABC Struts??"
Knowing that the BS SL65 does in fact sit much lower then the standard SL65 it seems only logical that the BS Struts might be shorter?????
You wrote that W211 parts might work. Does anyone know if W211 suspension parts will fit on a R230 Chassis? If the W211 suspension part looked absolutely identical but was drilled differently by just 1mm it will not work. Also the W211 might have the struts mounted in a different position for a softer ride then a BS SL65 which is set up for racing?
It is entirely possible that a solution can be figured out by mixing different MB parts but someone will have to do extensive R&D to make these BS Struts fit on a standard R230 chassis. Then will the BS Struts work as designed?? There are suspension experts that spend literally thousands of hours and millions of $$$ in R&D to get the perfect suspension set up.
From my experience with MB every car has different parts! Even the exact same model and year of Mercedes sometimes has different parts. That is why sometimes you can only order the right part from MB using the chassis number. The MB dealer was having trouble getting something as simple as the front brake pads for my SL65 because the MB system had several different part numbers for the 2006 SL65 brake pads!
I was merely asking a question based upon the one and only photo of the rear BS Struts that you provided they look shorter then the SL65 ABC Struts I have...
That is also why at the end of the sentence I put not just one but two question marks...
"Your struts also look like they might be shorter then the stock ABC Struts??"
Knowing that the BS SL65 does in fact sit much lower then the standard SL65 it seems only logical that the BS Struts might be shorter?????
You wrote that W211 parts might work. Does anyone know if W211 suspension parts will fit on a R230 Chassis? If the W211 suspension part looked absolutely identical but was drilled differently by just 1mm it will not work. Also the W211 might have the struts mounted in a different position for a softer ride then a BS SL65 which is set up for racing?
It is entirely possible that a solution can be figured out by mixing different MB parts but someone will have to do extensive R&D to make these BS Struts fit on a standard R230 chassis. Then will the BS Struts work as designed?? There are suspension experts that spend literally thousands of hours and millions of $$$ in R&D to get the perfect suspension set up.
From my experience with MB every car has different parts! Even the exact same model and year of Mercedes sometimes has different parts. That is why sometimes you can only order the right part from MB using the chassis number. The MB dealer was having trouble getting something as simple as the front brake pads for my SL65 because the MB system had several different part numbers for the 2006 SL65 brake pads!
Last edited by EXECMALIBU; Mar 11, 2015 at 10:23 AM.
